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A Look Ahead: 2012 NHL Entry Draft Pt. 3

View Poll Results: Would you..
Draft Grigorenko. 19 40.43%
Trade the pick. 7 14.89%
Draft a defensemen. 21 44.68%
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06-12-2012, 08:33 AM
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Bet it's an auto-correct. Nail Talipot.
Mark Idiocy?

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Is "talipot" an interesting typo for Yakupov?
iPhone Fail yup.

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iPhone Fail yup.
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Must contribute.

Must put pizza in the oven.

Must read more about the dude who has played the same Civ 2 game for 10 years now. That's awesome.

Edit: Must learn that this is not the off-topic thread it was supposed to be, that I had open in the other tab..........


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Must contribute.

Must put pizza in the oven.

Must read more about the dude who has played the same Civ 2 game for 10 years now. That's awesome.

Edit: Must learn that this is not the off-topic thread it was supposed to be, that I had open in the other tab..........
Looks like I'm not the only one who read that post on ******.

That was awesome.

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10 years? I demand a link somewhere, like in the actual OT thread.

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06-12-2012, 12:18 PM
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Interesting combine results from NHL.com, along with updated measurements from Craig Button. Not sure if those are updated from the combine.

Top 10 results:

Dumba - avg power output, VO2 max, hand-eye coordination, standing long jump, vertical, mat jump height, and pushups. That's just freak athletics right there. Up to 5'11 and 183 pounds. Shouldn't be much concern here with size.

Ceci - wing span, standing long jump, leg power, pushups, and pull strength. Listed 6'2 207. Pretty solid.

Trouba - mat jump time, height, push, and pull strength. So he's quite strong. Listed 6'2 193.

Reinhart - fatigue index and leg power. Listed 6'3 202.

Teuvo - fatigue index only. Listed 5'11 165. Maybe not so short then.

Murray - VO2 max duration and push strength. Listed 6'0 205.

Maatta - fatigue index and mat jump time. 6'1 202.

Interesting Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Galchenyuk only each had one top 10 result. Well maybe not so interesting. Typically not a big correlation with NHL success.

Other guys:

Thomas Wilson - peak power, mean power, VO2 max, VO2 duration, leg power total and peak, mat jump height, bench press, pushups, push strength, pull strength, upper body pull. Wow. 6'4 203 right winger.

Chris Calnan - peak power, mean power, hand-eye, standing long jump, vertical jump, leg power total and peak, mat jump height, right AND left hand grip, and pull strength. 6'2 190 right winger (older numbers, not ranked by Button).

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Thomas Wilson - peak power, mean power, VO2 max, VO2 duration, leg power total and peak, mat jump height, bench press, pushups, push strength, pull strength, upper body pull. Wow. 6'4 203 right winger.
Hmm... Check this out.

Hadn't heard much about this Wilson kid until today.

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It's always interesting seeing who the strength freak is every year at the combine, and it looks like it's Tom Wilson this year.

Dumba sounds impressive, but I'd still prefer Trouba. I have a feeling he's going to be pretty special someday and I hope it's on our blueline.

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Interesting Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Galchenyuk only each had one top 10 result. Well maybe not so interesting. Typically not a big correlation with NHL success.
I believe Grigs is still working his way back from Mono, so he really wasn't supposed to be doing much at the combine.

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Some extra notes about combine scores:

Galchenyuk took the top score in Peak Power Output - Anaerobic Fitness. Taking any top score should alleviate any lingering concerns about his leg.

Likewise, Rielly was top 10 in both Vertek Leg Power Peak Pause and No Pause. Shouldn't be any concerns about lingering injury with him either.

Grigorenko was measured but did not participate in the combine testing due to his ankle injury that he played through in the playoffs. That's why he only appears in one top 10 result (wingspan).

Despite having basically no competition for the 1st overall pick, Yakupov still managed a top 10 appearance, and on site reports claimed he was really pushing himself hard.

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06-12-2012, 02:45 PM
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I believe Grigs is still working his way back from Mono, so he really wasn't supposed to be doing much at the combine.
As I noted in my post after you, Grigs didn't participate at all. He showed up to be measured but his ankle injury kept him from participating. Mono was just extra incentive to not do any testing.

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Yakupov's hands and hockey sense must be off the charts. I wonder if his combine scores will say something about the longevity of his NHL career.

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Good thoughts on those injuries.

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I think the teams' interviews were pretty important for Grigorenko, since it seems he needs to convince everyone that he does want to play in the NHL.

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I was looking through the Prospects Board's excellent Entry Draft Guide for possible late round provincialist picks and came across Dominic Toninato out of Duluth East. Does anyone know anything about him? Seems he's playing USHL next season (Fargo Force own his rights) and attending UMD in 13-14. He's a '94, listed at 6' 161lbs.

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Dumba - avg power output, VO2 max, hand-eye coordination, standing long jump, vertical, mat jump height, and pushups. That's just freak athletics right there. Up to 5'11 and 183 pounds. Shouldn't be much concern here with size.
I would be dumbafounded if we didn't pick Dumba if he is still on the boards, granted that no one else in the top 6 falls with him.

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I would be dumbafounded if we didn't pick Dumba if he is still on the boards, granted that no one else in the top 6 falls with him.
My opinion about if Dumba and Rielly are available at 7 from the Prospects board:

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This is all from the point of view of the Wild:

Personally I'd go with Rielly as he brings back some of the puck rushing game that was lost in the Brent Burns trade. His hockey smarts make him a Flahr type pick as well. I personally see him as the 2nd best defenseman in the draft, and think he would have seriously challenged Murray for best defenseman if he had played a full season.

That said, I couldn't be disappointed with a Dumba selection. There's very legitimate concern about his ability to play his style game with the size he has, but he's not any smaller than Kronwall, and he's actually taller than Clutterbuck. He might get out of position looking for the big hit occasionally, but stylistically he's the perfect match for Brodin. He'd bring a physical element we're completely lacking on the blueline. I don't see him as having quite the ceiling that Rielly does, but if the organization is comfortable putting all their "#1 d-man" eggs in the Jonas Brodin basket, Dumba could be the perfect #2 to line up alongside him.

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I could definitely see him "surprising" folks and going top three.

I still want to know why people think Reinhart would be a top 6, 7, 8 pick though. To me it seems like a classic mistake of drooling over someone's size and overlooking their production on ice.

Of course, I said the same thing about Dougie Hamilton and he was dominant this year.

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Wait, wait, wait! I thought Wild fans didn't want an offensive defenseman. Because they don't want Mike Green? Or at least taking a gamble on him.

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I was looking through the Prospects Board's excellent Entry Draft Guide for possible late round provincialist picks and came across Dominic Toninato out of Duluth East. Does anyone know anything about him? Seems he's playing USHL next season (Fargo Force own his rights) and attending UMD in 13-14. He's a '94, listed at 6' 161lbs.
From the few games that I've watched East this past year in person and on tv I was definitely drawn to guys like Toninato and Jake Randolph. He seems like a guy that drives to the net and can split the D, at least at the high school level. He seems to have pretty decent hands too, I remember him doing some dangles like a Malkin type guy. Bigger but can still skate and deke kids out and can be strong on the puck. I would gamble on him in the 5th rd of the draft and maybe 4th rd at the highest. We will see how accurate I really am though when draft day rolls around.

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I'd love to have Mike Green, just not for > $6M on the open market or having to give up whatever it would cost to get him via trade.

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I was looking through the Prospects Board's excellent Entry Draft Guide for possible late round provincialist picks and came across Dominic Toninato out of Duluth East. Does anyone know anything about him? Seems he's playing USHL next season (Fargo Force own his rights) and attending UMD in 13-14. He's a '94, listed at 6' 161lbs.

I don't think he's much of a prospect, but scouts I know think he's the best coming out of Minnesota this year.

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Hi. I wrote about Jacob Trouba in FRB's "7 For 7" series.

Read it with your face.

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I could definitely see him "surprising" folks and going top three.

I still want to know why people think Reinhart would be a top 6, 7, 8 pick though. To me it seems like a classic mistake of drooling over someone's size and overlooking their production on ice.

Of course, I said the same thing about Dougie Hamilton and he was dominant this year.
Reinhart is one of those "has all the tools, but can he find a toolbox" type prospects. If he could ever manage to put everything together, he'd be the best defenseman to come out of this draft without question. However, whether or not he can put things together is a huge question mark. Even if he never manages to get any better than he is right at this moment, there's a good chance he can hold his own as a 6-7 defenseman so the usual boom-bust fears are dampened slightly.

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Hi. I wrote about Jacob Trouba in FRB's "7 For 7" series.

Read it with your face.
nice writeup.
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