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04-10-2012, 08:04 PM
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The draft hasn't even happened yet! Don't you want which new prospect we instill our hopes and dreams into?
Sorry, should have said draft lottery. My bad.

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Huh? They've got a great top six. A deadly top six. But they've got plenty of holes, and good luck to them when the ELC's run out. How many players will they have asking for $6 million or more in a cap system. They have to do a major makeover on defense, and in 2-5 years, they won't be able to afford many decent additions with the salaries they'll be paying.

They'll probably tank another year just for fun.

And another thing, they could be one major target for an offer sheet.
giving them how many more first round picks?

the post you quoted was in no way serious. that deadly top six couldn't get them any better than second to last...not really that deadly. once they put it together, sure, but that'll be about the time those guys decide to go for arbitration or are offer sheeted.

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Huh? They've got a great top six. A deadly top six. But they've got plenty of holes, and good luck to them when the ELC's run out. How many players will they have asking for $6 million or more in a cap system. They have to do a major makeover on defense, and in 2-5 years, they won't be able to afford many decent additions with the salaries they'll be paying.

They'll probably tank another year just for fun.

And another thing, they could be one major target for an offer sheet.
They could easily trade one of those #1 overall prospects for d-men and/or a goalie. There are easy ways to avoid running into cap problems, especially when it keeps going up.

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04-10-2012, 08:07 PM
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giving them how many more first round picks?

the post you quoted was in no way serious. that deadly top six couldn't get them any better than second to last...not really that deadly. once they put it together, sure, but that'll be about the time those guys decide to go for arbitration or are offer sheeted.
Oh...got ya. My sarcasm detector broke today. Sorry about that.

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04-10-2012, 08:13 PM
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Oh...got ya. My sarcasm detector broke today. Sorry about that.
i think my sarcasm emitter is just misfiring!

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Allright, in an article I read the other day when talking about better ways to do the lottery, there was mention of a system where wins after being eliminated would be the determining factor of who picks when. I think I'm gonna walk backwards through the standings and see if I can construct this years top 14 draft order using such a system, just for comparison.
I read that, too. But it would be so skewed because CBJ would have more wins than many teams because they were eliminated long ago. Teams that got eliminated in the last week wouldn't have much opportunity too. That seems to be more of a failed system than the current lottery.

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04-10-2012, 08:31 PM
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oh man, just coming down from the rush that was the NHL Draft Lottery

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I can't help but feel a little bit bad for Columbus, and to see the Oilers get their 3rd #1 overall in a row. A tank of epic proportions. They could still flame out, but getting 3 #1's will likely make them a formidable team. They are going to be able to fix their back end, but hey, I'm just glad we didn't move down a spot. We're going to have a shot at Trouba, Reinhart, or maybe even Dumba. There's always fallers, so now that we know where everyone is sitting, is there any way we try to move up or down or just stand pat and pick at #7?

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I can't help but feel a little bit bad for Columbus, and to see the Oilers get their 3rd #1 overall in a row. A tank of epic proportions. They could still flame out, but getting 3 #1's will likely make them a formidable team. They are going to be able to fix their back end, but hey, I'm just glad we didn't move down a spot. We're going to have a shot at Trouba, Reinhart, or maybe even Dumba. There's always fallers, so now that we know where everyone is sitting, is there any way we try to move up or down or just stand pat and pick at #7?
Lucky #7

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I hope Nail Yakupov is a bust. That would be hilarious.

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Lucky #7
Haha I didn't even think of that. Just for fun, here's the last 5 years picks at #7 (not that it really matters):

2011: Mark Scheifele
2010: Jeff Skinner
2009: Nazem Kadri
2008: Colin Wilson
2007: Jakub Voracek

We're probably going to be looking at Trouba, Reinhart, or Rielly at our pick unless a big forward drops. Reinhart has the potential to be the best, but he scares me because I think we need to go big with this pick, and not just play it "safe." I really like Reinhart's size and he could be a big mainstay on our blueline.

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04-10-2012, 09:02 PM
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safe D (if truely safe) is a much better thing to draft than safe forward. you know, like Gillies and Shep. safe, conservative picks.

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giving them how many more first round picks?

the post you quoted was in no way serious. that deadly top six couldn't get them any better than second to last...not really that deadly. once they put it together, sure, but that'll be about the time those guys decide to go for arbitration or are offer sheeted.
a team such as Detroit or what ever offersheets say RNH or Hall, they get an elite player and give up 4 low draft picks, that isn't exactly great compensation.

While their cap and signings will have to be managed a smart and savy GM will be able to do it with ease, given how open their cap is now and how little if any terrible contracts they have.

throw my hadt into the feel bad for CBJ pool, awful year with awful results but there may be a silver ligning, if they get Murray/GAlchenyuk and they end up booming it won't be so bad.

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04-10-2012, 09:43 PM
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Hmmm.....maybe they should make the drawing in public.

I feel really bad for Columbus right now.

and yes Edmonton goes right to the top, or at least near the top when it comes to the most despised teams in the NHL.

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grr... well hopefully some day our franchise will score goals

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Grigorenko's last tweet may have broken the Internet in Montreal.

He let his tweet for like 5 minutes before he deleted it.

EDIT: Well, we will find out tomorrow if it's the real one. Even some of his teammates are confused at this point.


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I read that, too. But it would be so skewed because CBJ would have more wins than many teams because they were eliminated long ago. Teams that got eliminated in the last week wouldn't have much opportunity too. That seems to be more of a failed system than the current lottery.
Well that's the idea. The teams that get eliminated first have the best chance to rack up the wins. If you prolong things before getting eliminated, the idea is you need less help than the teams that got eliminated earlier.

Anyway, took longer than I wanted to get everyone elimination date nailed down, just I'm working on the post-elimination standings now.

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I hope Nail Yakupov is a bust. That would be hilarious.
I would laugh if Edmonton picked him and he went and ran to the KHL because he doesn't want to play in Edmonton.

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Totally forgot that the draft lottery was tonight. Saw who won. Took my first pull since my sophomore year in college. Oh well. Good luck resigning all this talent in a few years.

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Grigorenko's last tweet may have broken the Internet in Montreal.

He let his tweet for like 5 minutes before he deleted it.

EDIT: Well, we will find out tomorrow if it's the real one. Even some of his teammates are confused at this point.
It totally makes sense for Grigorenko to play for Montreal. They need center depth, and the coach is familiar with him. However, I've heard rumblings that some of the management doesn't like him. Is there any truth to this, or is it just rumors?

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It totally makes sense for Grigorenko to play for Montreal. They need center depth, and the coach is familiar with him. However, I've heard rumblings that some of the management doesn't like him. Is there any truth to this, or is it just rumors?
Timmins (Montreal's equivalent to Flahr I believe) has been on a tear about how much he likes Galchenyuk. People familiar with him have also talked about how much he dislikes Grigorenko. It could always be gamesmanship, but it seems genuine.

However, if Roy were to become GM or coach, it's possible he'd make a big push for picking up Grigs.

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Crazy to think about:

Hall - RNH - Yakupov

The "1st overall" line.

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Hall - RNH - Yakupov

The "1st overall" line.
Funny how a 6'1" 194lb guy can be the "big guy" on a line. Of course, Yakupov is apparently bigger than Eberle, so that would actually be a size upgrade over this season.

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Allright, this is my first post making a table, so bear with me if it looks terrible. @E means At Elimination, Final should be obvious, Post E is that stat in games played after being eliminated.

So, if the draft were based on the 2nd alternative system outlined in this article (the one that's suggested for fixing the NBA lottery), the draft would have looked like this if the ranking is based first on points and then with ties broken by least number of games played:

TeamDate ElimGP@ERecord@EPts@ERec FinalPts FinalRec Post EPts Post EGP Post E
Columbus BlueJackets Tue Mar 13 69 22-40-7 51 29-46-7 65 7-6-0 1413
Minnesota Wild Mon Mar 26 75 31-34-10 72 35-36-11 81 4-2-1 97
Edmonton Oilers Wed Mar 21 73 29-36-8 66 32-40-10 74 3-4-2 89
Montreal Canadiens Sun Mar 25 76 29-34-13 71 31-35-16 78 2-1-3 76
Tampa Bay Lightning Sun Apr 1 78 36-35-7 79 38-36-8 84 2-1-1 54
Toronto Maple Leafs Wed Mar 28 77 33-35-9 75 35-37-10 80 2-2-1 55
Anaheim Ducks Tue Mar 27 76 32-33-11 75 34-36-12 80 2-3-1 56
Calgary Flames Sun Apri 1 80 35-29-16 86 37-29-16 90 2-0-0 42
Carolina Hurricanes Sat Mar 31 78 31-31-16 78 33-33-16 82 2-2-0 44
Winnipeg Jets Sun Apr 1 79 36-34-9 81 37-35-10 84 1-1-1 33
New York Islanders Sun Apr 1 78 33-34-11 77 34-37-11 79 1-3-0 24
Buffalo Sabres Fri Apr 6 81 39-32-10 88 39-32-11 89 0-0-1 11
Dallas Stars Fri Apr 6 81 42-34-5 89 42-35-5 89 0-1-0 01
Colorado Avalanche Wed Apr 4 80 41-33-6 88 41-35-6 88 0-2-0 02

That table should be pretty accurate. I may have been off on some teams elimination date because the standings on nhl.com did not show me the ROW stat for each date I looked at, so I just assumed that when a teams maximum attainable points at that point in time matched the #8 team in their respective conference, they were eliminated. Also the stats are from the beginning of each day, not the end of action on that night.

So basically if this system were adopted and had been in place this year, all of us tankers would have been happy as hell about those wins because look at that...we wind up with the 2nd overall pick in this draft system. Columbus would also be happier as it does not get screwed out of the #1 pick by Edmonton, Tampa Bay gains significant ground, and the Islanders are basically bent over and told they suck which I personally feel would be appropriate.

So...discuss?

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Grigorenko's last tweet may have broken the Internet in Montreal.

He let his tweet for like 5 minutes before he deleted it.

EDIT: Well, we will find out tomorrow if it's the real one. Even some of his teammates are confused at this point.
Link does not work for me. What did he tweet?

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Link does not work for me. What did he tweet?
"cant wait to be drafted and maybe play for roy again"

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