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We're not trading Devo to move up one spot. That is ridiculous.
No major piece will be provided to move up one spot. I wouldn't even include a 2nd in this years draft for one position upwards. Now if it was the Islanders and were guaranteed Galy ide do a 2nd and minor prospect.
With Lubo staying, I'd rather have a conditional pick.
Why? I mean, I don't really care much for Franson, quite honestly, and we don't really need him. But as an RFA, he still holds value. If the Ducks knew Schultz was going (which we have to consider most likely at this point), it would probably be worth it. He could be traded a few weeks later for a 2nd rounder, I guess, which our scouting staff could then turn into another Schultz. Huh. Depressing thought, kind of.
Why? I mean, I don't really care much for Franson, quite honestly, and we don't really need him. But as an RFA, he still holds value. If the Ducks knew Schultz was going (which we have to consider most likely at this point), it would probably be worth it. He could be traded a few weeks later for a 2nd rounder, I guess, which our scouting staff could then turn into another Schultz. Huh. Depressing thought, kind of.
When is the last time something like this happened that wasn't a three-way deal?
You are way too nice Vipers. Its terrible. Gunnar is a solid #4/5 guy but nothing special. He is basically our Brookbank.
This is like me offering:
Cogliano + Brookbank + Holland for Kessel. Just a joke.
Edit: Lol just saw OilSands post.
[Mod EDIT: I think your post works fine without that introduction.] Beauchemin was the whipping boy in T.O considered a #4/5 guy. Hes practically your #1 defenseman now. Regardless, Gunnar has never been slotted lower then #4 this season, and has played much better then beauchemin ever did. To say Gunnar is like Brookbank is like comparing Folwer to Franson. I wont even try to fathom how Cogliano is MaCarthur.. the leaf hate is just absolutely rediculous. Not trying to discredit Beauchemin because he definitely regained confidence since his return to anaheim. However your homerism is reflected through posting over and over in an attempt to convince yourself that you are right.
When is the last time something like this happened that wasn't a three-way deal?
Yeah, I don't think it would actually happen. Some time ago the Rangers and Yotes swapped Korpikoski for Lisin, IIRC, both being RFAs, but that was the closest, and no follow-up trades involved. It's not a realistic option, really, but if it was offered, and I had the needed knowledge on Schultz certainly leaving, I'd probably have to take it. It would most likely beat the conditional pick.
[Mod EDIT: I think your post works fine without that introduction.] Beauchemin was the whipping boy in T.O considered a #4/5 guy. Hes practically your #1 defenseman now. Regardless, Gunnar has never been slotted lower then #4 this season, and has played much better then beauchemin ever did. To say Gunnar is like Brookbank is like comparing Folwer to Franson. I wont even try to fathom how Cogliano is MaCarthur.. the leaf hate is just absolutely rediculous. Not trying to discredit Beauchemin because he definitely regained confidence since his return to anaheim. However your homerism is reflected through posting over and over in an attempt to convince yourself that you are right.
Are you seriously trying to tell me MacArthur is closer to Ryan then he is to Cogliano?
If you are saying "Beauchemin was a #4 here and he is a top guy on your team so Franson will be a top guy for you" then you are just crazy. Beauchemin isnt even close to the same guy he was in Toronto.
Like I said before, if you think MacArthur is so close to Ryan then just keep him. Because I think he is nothing more then an overpayed 3rd liner with 1 good year. I see him as a 40 point guy.
Ryan is a 70 point guy and is still only 24 with the potential to be that 40-40 guy we all think he can be, as apposed to Macarthur who is 27 and is probably at his peak (which is on par Ryan's worst year BY FAR, assuming Macarthur can repeat his good year.).
Did anyone notice that he has "if the Ducks lose Schultz" but it seems on draft day or before so how would that even work?? But Schultz rights for Franson rights seems good.
Yes they are his teammates. But linemates? Not so much.
I'm pretty sure Ryan gets to play with them from time to time, also, having this guys in another line means Ryan will most likely get the easier D pairing, scoring against a defensive tandem of Ferrence-Corvo is much easier against scoring against a defensive tandem of Chara-Seidenberg would you not agree?
another Leaf trade proposal where the Leafs give up a bunch of low end players for a top line player, typical Leaf Proposal where they want a elite player but only willing to give scraps. Carl Gunnarsson has a horrible +/- for a Defensman
R Bobby Ryan 82 31 26 57 1
L Clarke MacArthur 73 20 23 43 3
D Carl Gunnarsson 76 4 15 19 -9
C Joe Colborne 10 1 4 5 2
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Like I said before, if you think MacArthur is so close to Ryan then just keep him. Because I think he is nothing more then an overpayed 3rd liner with 1 good year. I see him as a 40 point guy.
Literally speaking, there's 180 top six forwards. MacArthur ranks 129th in PPG this season and ranked 66th last year among forwards, I think he has proved himself as a 2nd line winger at this point.
The thing here is, the Ducks have holes in the top six as it is. Switching Ryan with MacArthur doesn't fill a hole, and it'd be even bigger than the current one. MacArthur would fill a need if the Ducks could keep Ryan as well, but with Selanne and potentially Koivu on next years 2nd line, I'd like someone more physical than MacArthur on their left flank.
To Anaheim: 5th overall + MacArthur(20/30) + Gunnarsson(if they lose Schultz) + Colborne(could take some pressure off Holland coming in as 2nd line center)
Not sure if Anaheim is looking at trading a core piece or that was an empty threat by Murray this season, but it could free up some cap space to re-sign the big two depending on what Anaheims moves are.
what about something around 5th + for Smith-Pelly+6th?
idk what that + is but not A LOT. like 2nd rounder next seaseon, Lombari, Mcarthur
Sorry, no. I don't want to jump the gun, but Smith Pelly is following Lucic's career path so far. We'll wait and see how he does next year before gauging his value.
Literally speaking, there's 180 top six forwards. MacArthur ranks 129th in PPG this season and ranked 66th last year among forwards, I think he has proved himself as a 2nd line winger at this point.
The thing here is, the Ducks have holes in the top six as it is. Switching Ryan with MacArthur doesn't fill a hole, and it'd be even bigger than the current one. MacArthur would fill a need if the Ducks could keep Ryan as well, but with Selanne and potentially Koivu on next years 2nd line, I'd like someone more physical than MacArthur on their left flank.
But not all teams are equal. Macarthur is a second liner on a bad team for sure but on a cup contender he's an ideal third liner/ second line fill in. Canucks acquired Chris Higgins, a similar player with a great work ethic and well rounded game and fantastic cap hit for just a third round draft pick.
I'm pretty sure Ryan gets to play with them from time to time, also, having this guys in another line means Ryan will most likely get the easier D pairing, scoring against a defensive tandem of Ferrence-Corvo is much easier against scoring against a defensive tandem of Chara-Seidenberg would you not agree?
You just covered all the excuses there, didn't you?
So you want a young power forward for essentially a dump and a 2nd? Oh, and the great opportunity to move up one spot.
