Oh...That's so awesome. Let's just draft Steve Webb then...
yes, because hes a very hyped prospect bc all he can do is hit. No offensive upside, cant skate...none of that defense stuff either. I think you calling him steve webb is unfair, hes more of a trevor gillies.
I dont want forsberg. I think hes too risky, so if we stay and pick at 4 id want murray or dumba. If the isles trade down and pick up an asset, id take reinhart, ceci or trouba depending on where they trade down to. Id consider taking forsberg if he fell to 10 or so, but only if one of the first 4 dmen are not around...trouba-forsberg is up for grabs in my mind, so id be ok with either at that point.
I'd be good with either of those. I'd want more from Edmonton, giving up Nino and the 4th for Yakupov is a lot.
Seriously?
It's a little over fair if Nino never set foot on NHL ice, but given Nino's year, it's fair. (OF COURSE Nino could break out in two years and be awesome, but he's a rushed pick who has shown nothing - less than, in fact)
I'd do it. Add another player on our side and I would not.
The voice inside my head says Forsberg will me a more dynamic player while Yakupov will be the better scorer. We have a chance at Grigorenko, though, WE HAVE TO TAKE HIM.
Just don't take Dumba with the fourth. Drafting on need is so trite an argument. Murray and maybe, MAYBE Gormley are the only other guys we should look at.
But if we can get Nail, we gotta take him and sacrifice Nino. Even if Nino is going to be good.
I would, however, look to trade up from our 2nd rounder to pick #20 or so if Andrei Vasilevski is still available. Maybe our 2nd, a 4th and a 2 or 3 next year to move up 14 spots.
I know we already have Nilsson and Poulin, but if 2 or 3 years go by and neither of these guys have panned out, we will be wishing we had another option in the system. I haven't seen much of Vasilevski outside of the WJC(where he looked like an absolute beast), but everything I've read on him leads me to believe he could be the next great Russian goaltender(maybe Nabby can take him under his wing during TC?).
Considering the depth we have acquired over the years, I don't think a trade like this would set us back at all.
It's a little over fair if Nino never set foot on NHL ice, but given Nino's year, it's fair. (OF COURSE Nino could break out in two years and be awesome, but he's a rushed pick who has shown nothing - less than, in fact)
I'd do it. Add another player on our side and I would not.
The voice inside my head says Forsberg will me a more dynamic player while Yakupov will be the better scorer. We have a chance at Grigorenko, though, WE HAVE TO TAKE HIM.
Just don't take Dumba with the fourth. Drafting on need is so trite an argument. Murray and maybe, MAYBE Gormley are the only other guys we should look at.
But if we can get Nail, we gotta take him and sacrifice Nino. Even if Nino is going to be good.
He had a horrible year but he is still so raw. Nino doesn't have zero value or anything. There is the view that Nino and Galchenuyk could be two big offensive pieces going forward, along with Tavares, Strome, etc. That's a lot of firepower.
Is Yakupov really worth more than both Nino and whoever could be taken at 4 (Murray, Forsberg, Gregirenko, Galchenuyk)?
Maybe he is an I'm just wrong, I don't know these prospects well but I see that Yakupov is the definite number one choice but isn't on the level of past number one picks so giving up a number 5 from two years ago and number 4 this year is a lot to give up IMO.
It's a little over fair if Nino never set foot on NHL ice, but given Nino's year, it's fair. (OF COURSE Nino could break out in two years and be awesome, but he's a rushed pick who has shown nothing - less than, in fact)
I'd do it. Add another player on our side and I would not.
The voice inside my head says Forsberg will me a more dynamic player while Yakupov will be the better scorer. We have a chance at Grigorenko, though, WE HAVE TO TAKE HIM.
Just don't take Dumba with the fourth. Drafting on need is so trite an argument. Murray and maybe, MAYBE Gormley are the only other guys we should look at.
But if we can get Nail, we gotta take him and sacrifice Nino. Even if Nino is going to be good.
Nino was a top-5 pick less than 2 years ago and is still a teenager. Regardless of the year he had he is still one of our top-2 or 3 prospects.
As good as Yakupov is/will be, I'd rather have Nino and Murray if given the choice.
I'd trade the 4th pick and de Haan for the 2nd pick and your second rounder. I can't do de Haan and the 4th pick just to move up 2 spots and secure Murray, I'd be fine not getting Murray and still getting Forsberg/Galcheynuk/Dumba and keeping de Haan but the second high second round pick closes the gap.
I figure with L.A's first round pick in the fold and a second round pick as well from the Vermette trade your second rounder becomes a little more expendable.
Interesting. I like De Haan in a vacuum, but he has a skill-set that is replicated on the CBJ blueline and among prospects. You got a forward to slot in there?
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"It may be a toss-up [with Everett Silvertips D Ryan Murray], but I see Mathew Dumba of the Red Deer Rebels (WHL) falling in at No. 4 with the Isles. His two-way game and big physical play will make him a tremendous addition on Long Island."
yes, because hes a very hyped prospect bc all he can do is hit. No offensive upside, cant skate...none of that defense stuff either. I think you calling him steve webb is unfair, hes more of a trevor gillies.
Yes - Comparing Douba to Steve Webb is just as unfair as anyone wanting him because he lays big hits. I'm not saying don't take him, but from what I've read/seen he has some giveaway problems and isn't a complete player. I mean there's no way I take him over Murray or Reilly right now. Murray we know is going to be gone, but Reilly won't be.
"It may be a toss-up [with Everett Silvertips D Ryan Murray], but I see Mathew Dumba of the Red Deer Rebels (WHL) falling in at No. 4 with the Isles. His two-way game and big physical play will make him a tremendous addition on Long Island."
And Grant Sonier is who exactly? Does he have any more clout than the hundreds of keyboard GM's on these boards?
Interesting. I like De Haan in a vacuum, but he has a skill-set that is replicated on the CBJ blueline and among prospects. You got a forward to slot in there?
Posssibly, but the one that comes to mind is David Ullstrom and I don't want to get rid of him just yet.
Can't give up Strome obviously, Niedereitter and the 4th to move up to the 2nd is too much and Nelson can't be moved right now, the size and skill he offers is just too good.
The reason why I'm ok with giving up on de Haan is because Matt Donovan has really impressed me and we have other good puck movers in Ness and Katic who aren't on de Haan's level potential wise but we do have a bunch of PMD.
Posssibly, but the one that comes to mind is David Ullstrom and I don't want to get rid of him just yet.
Can't give up Strome obviously, Niedereitter and the 4th to move up to the 2nd is too much and Nelson can't be moved right now, the size and skill he offers is just too good.
The reason why I'm ok with giving up on de Haan is because Matt Donovan has really impressed me and we have other good puck movers in Ness and Katic who aren't on de Haan's level potential wise but we do have a bunch of PMD.
Yeah. said in a thread on the mains that, when I looked over the Isles org looking for the difference between 4 and 2, I couldn't find anything the Isles would give up that the CBJ would be interested in.
Doesn't mean a deal couldn't be done. Depends on whether the Jackets figure getting anything of value -good value, just not what they wanted - is worth swapping the picks. You could argue that, if you're going to get the player you want at the lower spot anyway, anything else is a bonus.
On the other hand, I suppose the CBJ could try and get the Leafs involved and try to drive up the price. (EDIT: Yeah I realize the Leafs aren't likely top want to move up for Murray but a forward.)
Anyway, it maks sense that discussions will be had.
Last edited by Double-Shift Lassé: 04-12-2012 at 11:49 AM.
i wouldn't give up Nino and our 4th for Yakupov either. i think that we can get one of Murray or Galchenyuk with our pick, and that is good enough for me...
