Burke is a moron. I'd take Snow over him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Burke has been getting ripped all day long by the Tor media and fans because he's four years into his 'rebuild' and basically doesn't have a single decent asset to build around. We are faaaar ahead of them.
Burke is a blowhard. And his approach is no different than Milbury's was.
Who cares if we are the minority, all that matters is that we are right, which we are.
Gulp gulp gulp how does the kool-aid taste? 5 years in the lotto and people continue to defend it.
As for the topic Burke and Snow both suck and both say really stupid crap to the media. The difference is Tornoto has a huge fan base and media following. The Isles have a very small fan base and 1 beat writer who practically has to be on the team payroll to be credentialed.
Who cares if we are the minority, all that matters is that we are right, which we are.
So how is he a good GM? Any other job you get fired for underperforming no less 5+ years but not with NYI.
He has built the prospect pool up but that is it.
Here is how it goes...
Charles Wang hires people who are not qualified for the job he gives them..I.e. Garth Snow and many CA people....
The only reason players do not want to come here is: Charles Wang and Garth Snow
The reason we are not good and are in the same position in bottom 5 is Wang & snow
We do not have a real head coach= Wang and Snow
Notice that the last 3 people who spoke up to Wang or snow about how they do not have a clue about running a NHL hockey team were fired (smith,lafontaine, and Nolan)
While Burke might be an equally bad GM as Snow in a different way, this is the key difference between the Islanders organization and one like the Leafs, which has to be accountable to its fan base.
One GM comes out a day after the season ends and says his team proved it could beat anybody because of a win here and there over playoff teams and that no significant change is necessary.....
The other GM comes out and says this:
"I want to say on behalf of the coaching staff, management and the players, I want to echo Mr. Tannenbaum's apology for our failure to deliver this year. We had a good first half, but we didn't deliver at the end. We have the best fans in the National Hockey League and all of pro sports, and we need to deliver more. That loyalty needs to be rewarded. We've played partial seasons since I've been here and it's time for this team to play a full season. Not to play 30 good games or 40 good games, or talk about if you combine this half or that half. That's not going to fly anymore."
Hmmm, any guesses as to which is which..... funny thing is that quote could be completely relevant to the Islanders as well, yet you would never hear it spoken by our GM who is content with losing year after year and trying to sell the fans on progress because his crappy team beat the Pens or Flyers once or twice.
I thought the difference was, that one gm had the payroll to spend to the cap ceiling,while the other gm had the payroll to spend to the cap floor.
You're very much into minority of NYI fans who think garthsnow is a good gm
I agree with him. I think he's done a decent job given the circumstances.
He came in after the '06 draft, so off the top of my head...:
-He made the Smyth trade which got us into the playoffs while not costing us anything of value. Neither Nilsson, O'Marra or the 1st have amounted to anything at this point.
-He has committed to full rebuild, something pretty much everyone here wanted back before it happened. A lot of people would complain about the youth that was traded away only to become stars elsewhere, so Snow has drafted well and held onto the talent. He's done a very good job of being patient and not dealing a package of picks/prospects away for a quick fix that would eventually bite us in the ass.
-He has had virtually no budget to work with, yet has managed to find quality players for cheap contracts: Moulson, Streit, Grabner. Moulson is a consistent 30+ goal scorer that he found in the trash. How many teams would kill to have a player who produces like that? The Isles had a recently signed UFA put up 67 points this season... Snow had that player signed for $1.25M. Watch how much PA makes on the open market... it will be sick. Add to that he brought in Nabokov who has proven he can still play at a high level in this league.
-Lastly, we now have a franchise center, a roster full of promising young players, and one of the deepest prospect pools in the game.
Snow hasn't felt the need to pull the trigger on packaging a few prospects for an established player, and I get that people don't like him for that, but I think those same people are going to be happy with the results in a year or two. A very strong and talented home grown team with a handful of quality veterans sprinkled in between. This is the blue-print Snow drew up after the '07-08 season. I give him props for sticking with it to this point.
I think Snow would be a good GM if his budget wasn't as tight as my ******* and Wang didn't have the final say in everything. Don't forget, when Milbury left, we had the worst team with no prospect system. Snow has had to rebuild totally and I'm not suprised the rebuild has gone this long. Even though he may not be doing enough, he's is not doing things for the heck of doing things. He didn't get burned what so ever on the Smyth deal. I'm not supporting him because I feel like he has made some mistakes but he should not be fired right now.
I remember people saying that Milbury would be a great GM if he had money before Wang came along. He was a failure on both ends. Garth is an utter failure as a GM under Wang and I doubt having Ted Dibiase as the owner will make a difference.
Garth is cluless and sadly there is no difference between him and Milbury. One has a trigger finger and the other has no confidence in the ability to manage.
Too bad for Snow... can't spend money so he sucks.
He spent 2.5M on Comeau with the only intent to trade him later. Even that failed, he could be lucky that the Flames took him off waivers later.
I'm sure he could have signed Shane O'Brien for 1.5M who signed in Colorado for 1.1M on July 13.
He could have made the $$$ trade with Nashville for Franson 800k and Lombardi (3.5M for 2 years) on July 3. Then there would be no need for Staios (800k/1.6M) and Reasoner (1.35M for 2years).
He could have claimed Nystrom (700k for 2 years) off re-entry waivers on October 12 and forget about Pandolfo (600k/1.4M) who was signed on October 4.
Forget about Rolston 5M and buyout Hunter 667k.
He could have spent the money much better, but it wasn't about winning.
Even with the 2 year contract for Lombardi and Hunter's buyout it would look better for next season with Franson RFA and Nystrom and a better chance to extend O'Brien.
You basically have to look at who might be available and the only guy who really fits our needs that I might see available is J-Bo. In terms fo what it would take I am guessing something to the degree of De Haan/Donovan + 2 lesser but still good prospects
All that being said even if J-Bo waives his NTC, I am guessing his salary will be the main issue.
I watch a lot of Calgary games -- no thanks. Bouwmeester has two more years left at 6.8 million and for the last three years he's played like utter crap down the stretch when the games mattered most.
He could have spent the money much better, but it wasn't about winning.
I understand your point, but come on. Those piddly moves weren't gonna make a real difference. Besides, your method doesn't get them to the floor, since you don't get all the fake bonuses that were dropped onto the Staios and Pandolfo contracts.
The Isles got themselves to the floor and then got out of the contract as soon as they didn't need them to get to the floor anymore. That was the goal... not making the team better.
Burke should have done what Snow did when he came to Toronto. Rebuild. Plain and simple.
The team he inherited 4 years ago was garbage. They didn't need Kessel then and they don't need Kessel now. They needed a full blown rebuild.
Considering the conditions Snow has to work under, I think he's doing a good job. He's doing it right.
Isles fans should be thanking their stars that Snow didn't pull a Burke when get came to the Island = Over evaluate his team and trade away 2 top picks for a one trick pony.
Can you imagine if Snow traded his 2009 pick? Haha
Be patient people. Snow is doing just fine. Go Isles!
The difference between Snow and Burke are Snow can only spend to the cap floor and Burke has carte` blanche` to spend to the cap ceiling. That being said a team near the cap ceiling only put up a 1 more point then the Islanders, and thats in a much easier division.....
Maybe so. But still, losing is not to be justified.
You mean the rebuild that started when Wang bought the team?
Or, the one where Rolston was brought in to bolster our PP?
The smoke has dissipated, and the mirrors are cracked.
2015 is now the magic date, and we need a new owner.
Garth needs to put his resume together, because few owners are dumb enough to keep the existing GM.
You mean the rebuild that started when Wang bought the team?
Or, the one where Rolston was brought in to bolster our PP?
The smoke has dissipated, and the mirrors are cracked.
2015 is now the magic date, and we need a new owner.
Garth needs to put his resume together, because few owners are dumb enough to keep the existing GM.
Well, there is a minority of GM's who know they are right, which they are, that Garf Garf is a good GM.
You basically have to look at who might be available and the only guy who really fits our needs that I might see available is J-Bo. In terms fo what it would take I am guessing something to the degree of De Haan/Donovan + 2 lesser but still good prospects
All that being said even if J-Bo waives his NTC, I am guessing his salary will be the main issue.
J-Bo is over rated. I am no dealing one of my best defensive prospects plus 2 more guys for a #3-4 defender.
while i dont necessarily think snow is a great gm i think hes a better gm than burke. burke's success in anaheim was a large part what was there already. his enourmous ego prevents him from seeing his mistakes and learning from them and he believes in his own legend, the one he goes out of his way to create in the press. dude is a total blowhard.
Snow is a terrible GM. That is not opinion it is fact. Look at the standings the past 5 years and you can see the facts. In sports success is measured by 1 thing and 1 thing only, postseason success. That is impossible to have when your team is so pathetic they can not even make it. There is no arguing concrete facts unless you are a politician and we all know they are jackasses.
An opinion is that Snow is a good/average GM because excuse X - Wang is cheap, excuse Y- Milbury sucked what a mess he left, excuse Z- look at the prospect pool so many young boys that we have accumulated after 5 years in last place.
Burke has actually tried to make Toronto a good team by making trades but it hasn't panned out and some have even backfired on him. Snow does nothing.
i agree. i think burke has made the team worse. i am so glad that snow hasn't followed the same path. i think that he is a bit gun shy, after the smyth debacle, or wang has told him to stop with the high risk moves.
i bet that if snow can find a good player, at a good price, who wants to play here, it will get done. the problem is, finding a player that fits that profile....
i bet that if snow can find a good player, at a good price, who wants to play here, it will get done. the problem is, finding a player that fits that profile....
In 5 years Snow has signed ONE guy on the UFA market that is an impact player that other teams had interest in. Snow has made ONE impact trade in 5 years. Why do fans continue to make excuses for the guy, its been HALF A DECADE of LAST PLACE WITH HIM IN CHARGE. It is mind boggling, only on HF can a failure like the Islanders and Edmonton be called a success because they have good potential players under 22 years old.
