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View Poll Results: Which of these three forwards do you want the Habs to select if available??
Filip Forsberg 54 17.70%
Alex Galchenyuk 138 45.25%
Mikhail Grigorenko 113 37.05%
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04-11-2012, 02:28 PM
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They also said the same thing about Fischer. I very much doubt they take a guy like Reinhart at #3.
I never liked the Fischer pick I have been sceptical of some of the work Timmins has done.

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People said that about Price also and look how that has been working out for us.
Price was the best goalie available. Reinhart is not the best D available. Murray could still be there at #3 if Edmonton are idiots.

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People said that about Price also and look how that has been working out for us.
Bobby Mac had Price 7th on his list and he went 5th. Not a huge reach but kinda surprising as we had Theo.

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04-11-2012, 02:31 PM
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a lot of people are saying we should trade the 3rd overall draft pick for a player that can help right away and others (like me) think we should draft and cultivate our own players and build with younger, cheaper and more skilled talent going forward.

Here are the 3rd overall draft picks since year 2000:

2000
Minnesota - Marian Gaborik

2001
Tampa Bay - Alexandr Svitov

2002
Florida - Jay Bouwmeester

2003
Florida - Nathan Horton

2004
Chicago - Cam Barker

2005
Carolina - Jack Johnson

2006
Chicago - Jonathan Toews

2007
Phoenix - Kyle Turris

2008
Atlanta - Zach Bogosian

2009
Colorado - Matt Duchene

2010
Florida - Erik Gudbranson

2011
Florida - Jonathan Huberdeau

Based on these draft picks, I think that it's safe to say that we have an 90%+ chance of drafting a future franchise player and star that will make a difference when it counts and hopefully lead us to another Stanley Cup.


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I would take Griffin to replace Tinordi please and thank you.

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04-11-2012, 02:33 PM
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Too much questions marks for Grigo. Don't want another lazy russian on our team.
I dont know if that is fair. Kovalev and Markov have proven very good for the Habs. Who knows how much better Kovy's career could have been if he was a Hab his entire career. Remember Oleg Petrov? He was not lazy. The only lazy ones in recent memory were Samsonov, AK and SK (both Slavic yes, but Belarussian).

There are plenty of lazy American and Canadian players too.

Seriously. Why does'nt Grigo get any love for playing with an injured ankle. Have any of you ever played a sport with an ankle sprain? Your speed is decreased by roughly 40-50% and it is highly uncomfortable. That has to be taken into consideration when judging his character. No coincidence he hasnt played as well since the injury either is it?

Not saying he is BPA, but just do not know if he has as bad of character issues some people make him appear to have.

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As much as i want us to draft a very good forward prospect, i wouldn't be that mad if we select Ryan Murray.

Murray, Tinordi, Ellis, Beaulieu, Subban. Epic.

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I dont know if that is fair. Kovalev and Markov have proven very good for the Habs. Who knows how much better Kovy's career could have been if he was a Hab his entire career. Remember Oleg Petrov? He was not lazy. The only lazy ones in recent memory were Samsonov, AK and SK (both Slavic yes, but Belarussian).

There are plenty of lazy American and Canadian players too.

Seriously. Why does'nt Grigo get any love for playing with an injured ankle. Have any of you ever played a sport with an ankle sprain? Your speed is decreased by roughly 40-50% and it is highly uncomfortable. That has to be taken into consideration when judging his character. No coincidence he hasnt played as well since the injury either is it?

Not saying he is BPA, but just do not know if he has as bad of character issues some people make him appear to have.
I think Kovalev was somewhat lazy to be honest..He would show up when he wanted to most of the time. He had that one amazing year basically..He was so talented yet only showed up half the games.

Markov is a different beast all together and I don't think that Russians should all be placed in the same boat. We just haven't had that much luck with them recently.

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I dont know if that is fair. Kovalev and Markov have proven very good for the Habs. Who knows how much better Kovy's career could have been if he was a Hab his entire career. Remember Oleg Petrov? He was not lazy. The only lazy ones in recent memory were Samsonov, AK and SK (both Slavic yes, but Belarussian).

There are plenty of lazy American and Canadian players too.

Seriously. Why does'nt Grigo get any love for playing with an injured ankle. Have any of you ever played a sport with an ankle sprain? Your speed is decreased by roughly 40-50% and it is highly uncomfortable. That has to be taken into consideration when judging his character. No coincidence he hasnt played as well since the injury either is it?

Not saying he is BPA, but just do not know if he has as bad of character issues some people make him appear to have.
Agreed. I'm pretty big on Grigorenko. My main concern with any young Russian player is them bolting to the KHL.

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04-11-2012, 02:41 PM
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As much as i want us to draft a very good forward prospect, i wouldn't be that mad if we select Ryan Murray.

Murray, Tinordi, Ellis, Beaulieu, Subban. Epic.
I'd be pissed if we had to endure such a crappy season only to land Murray as compensation for this nightmare. I think Forsberg is our guy but we'll find out in 10 weeks.

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Seriously, Sergei Fedorov, Pavel Datsyuk, Igor Larionov, etc, etc. Sure, culture does influence how a player grows up and plays the game, but he is A. playing in North America B. from Siberia, or close to it and that is a long way from Quebec. C. played through an injury (playing through it) D. Is STILL ranked #2 in Bob Mckenzie's rankings, and I trust Bob.

Also, there are plenty of red flags about Yakupov, perhaps even more. This kid has so much confidence, its borders on arrogance. That is the type of guy who's ego could lead him to bolt to the KHL if he was ever slighted.

One bad scouting report led to endless speculation and no one here should or could deny that "professional" opinion does not add some bias to their observation of a player. Sure, it is useful to have those opinions so that you can see something you didnt notice before. But what if now you are noticing something that is not even there?

Yes, he does avoid taking the puck into traffic and does not party around the net like Galchenyuk does. But he does play a 200 foot game, control the game (according to many) and score goals. 40 goals is a hell of a lot as a first year in any league. He won plenty of awards this yr, etc, etc.

I would be quite shocked actually if Columbus passed on him at #2.

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As much as i want us to draft a very good forward prospect, i wouldn't be that mad if we select Ryan Murray.

Murray, Tinordi, Ellis, Beaulieu, Subban. Epic.
If Yak and Grigs go 1-2, he'd be BPA IMO.

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If Yak and Grigs go 1-2, he'd be BPA IMO.
If that happens, Habs will pick Galchenyuk, the guy they really need and want.

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If Yak and Grigs go 1-2, he'd be BPA IMO.
Our center depth is not that bad actually. If we acquired Murray we would be swimming in defensive riches.

"Hey Nashville, how did you get the playoffs ever year again?"

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a lot of people are saying we should trade the 3rd overall draft pick for a player that can help right away and others (like me) think we should draft and cultivate our own players and build with younger, cheaper and more skilled talent going forward.

Here are the 3rd overall draft picks since year 2000:

2000
Minnesota - Marian Gaborik

2001
Tampa Bay - Alexandr Svitov

2002
Florida - Jay Bouwmeester

2003
Florida - Nathan Horton

2004
Chicago - Cam Barker

2005
Carolina - Jack Johnson

2006
Chicago - Jonathan Toews

2007
Phoenix - Kyle Turris

2008
Atlanta - Zach Bogosian

2009
Colorado - Matt Duchene

2010
Florida - Erik Gudbranson

2011
Florida - Jonathan Huberdeau

Based on these draft picks, I think that it's safe to say that we have an 90%+ chance of drafting a future franchise player and star that will make a difference when it counts and hopefully lead us to another Stanley Cup.
I don't understand how you can make a statement like that with the list you showed there. Are you saying that 90% of those 3rd picks are franchise players?

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He still tore the CHL up as a 16 year old. There is no question that he has elite offensive talent. You don't excel in the CHL at 16 if you suck. He came back after missing time and put up a respectable 4 points in 6 games.

He's turning 18. He is a young player and if Markov can come back off two major knee surgeries at his age; Galchenyuk can overcome this knee injury.
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Galchenyuk finished the 2010-2011 regular season tied for 18 th in league scoring with 83 points in 68 games, he was 16. Every player ahead of him was :

Tyler toffoli : 18 , 108 points
Jason akeson: 21 , 108 points
Ryan strome : 17 , 106 points ( 68 the next year)
Nail yakupov : 16 , 101 points
Ryan ellis : 20 , 101 points
Christian thomas : 19 , 99 points ( 67 the next year)
Taylor beck : 20 , 95 points
Greg mkegg : 19 , 92 points ( 75 the next year)
Micheal latta : 19 , 89 points
Peter holland : 19 , 88 points ,Kale kerbashian : 20 , 88 points , 2 other 19 yr olds at 88
19 yr old at 87 points
19 yr old at 86 points
19 yr old at 84 points
And then 3 tied for 83 points, 1 19 yr old, 1 18 yr old, and 16 yr old Galchenyuk

Id love to see what galchenyuk can do as an 18 yr old in the OHL.

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Our center depth is not that bad actually. If we acquired Murray we would be swimming in defensive riches.

"Hey Nashville, how did you get the playoffs ever year again?"

"We believe in a defense first appro-"

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Hey Nashville how come you never go far in the playoffs?

Because we have no one who can score goals.

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Where did I bring up Edmonton in there? I'm comparing those players in general terms to the rest of the top 6-7.

No doubt the need a lot more help on defense than up front, but I think it would be dumb for them to pass on Yakupov.
I brought them up because Yakupov is going 1st no matter who is picking and Edmonton has the pick so they will decide. You said Yakupov will have a bigger impact than Murray but on Edmonton he probably wont which derails your point. Drafting BPA is not always the best course of action. In order to get the most out of their forwards and goaltending they need a defense or guys like Yakupov will just go to waste.

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I dont know if that is fair. Kovalev and Markov have proven very good for the Habs. Who knows how much better Kovy's career could have been if he was a Hab his entire career. Remember Oleg Petrov? He was not lazy. The only lazy ones in recent memory were Samsonov, AK and SK (both Slavic yes, but Belarussian).

There are plenty of lazy American and Canadian players too.

Seriously. Why does'nt Grigo get any love for playing with an injured ankle. Have any of you ever played a sport with an ankle sprain? Your speed is decreased by roughly 40-50% and it is highly uncomfortable. That has to be taken into consideration when judging his character. No coincidence he hasnt played as well since the injury either is it?

Not saying he is BPA, but just do not know if he has as bad of character issues some people make him appear to have.
I think you're confusing a lack of willingness to compete every night and go into traffic to poor character.

Nobody is saying Grigorenko is a bad apple or would corrupt the dressing room, but I don't see him having a lot of success at playoff time against teams that will make you pay the price like Boston, NYR and Ottawa.

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I brought them up because Yakupov is going 1st no matter who is picking and Edmonton has the pick so they will decide. You said Yakupov will have a bigger impact than Murray but on Edmonton he probably wont which derails your point. Drafting BPA is not always the best course of action. In order to get the most out of their forwards and goaltending they need a defense or guys like Yakupov will just go to waste.
Edmonton can trade down and still get Murray/Dumba. We'd be a great partner for them. Diaz and Murray(#3) for Yakupov? Hell to the yess.

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I brought them up because Yakupov is going 1st no matter who is picking and Edmonton has the pick so they will decide. You said Yakupov will have a bigger impact than Murray but on Edmonton he probably wont which derails your point. Drafting BPA is not always the best course of action. In order to get the most out of their forwards and goaltending they need a defense or guys like Yakupov will just go to waste.
If Edmonton thinks Murray is a better fit for them they should trade down. Indirectly they would still take the BPA in Yakupov at #1. Yakupov for Murray plus another good asset(1st rounder or young prospect).

I could see us trading our 2013 1st plus 2012 1st to Edmonton for the #1 pick. Would be ballsy.

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If Edmonton thinks Murray is a better fit for them they should trade down. Indirectly they would still take the BPA in Yakupov at #1. Yakupov for Murray plus another good asset(1st rounder or young prospect).

I could see us trading our 2013 1st plus 2012 1st to Edmonton for the #1 pick. Would be ballsy.
I could also see us trading one of Tinordi or Beaulieu + our 3rd overall for the 1st overall

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I don't understand how you can make a statement like that with the list you showed there. Are you saying that 90% of those 3rd picks are franchise players?
Agreed. The only franchise player on that list is Toews, although there are a number of 1st liners that I would be happy to have on my team.

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I could also see us trading one of Tinordi or Beaulieu + our 3rd overall for the 1st overall
I could see Beaulieu more than Tinordi. Even that is a pretty steep price. If you trade your 2013 1st you gamble that you are a playoff team in 12-13.

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Reinhart is an average at best Skater, not a Timmins pick at all.

I'd bet Murray and Dumba who are great skaters, are much higher in Timmins' rankings if we went for a defenceman.

Not that I even think we'll go defence.

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