Barring trade, I could see the top 2 picks being Yakupov and Forsberg, leaving one of Grigorenko, Galchenyuk or Murray available.
Craig Button had Murray at #2, but I think Columbus will go after a replacement for Nash, and with Johansen on the team, center isn't a pressing issue. Forsberg seems like a safe pick and could also play center if needed.
Barring trade, I could see the top 2 picks being Yakupov and Forsberg, leaving one of Grigorenko, Galchenyuk or Murray available.
Craig Button had Murray at #2, but I think Columbus will go after a replacement for Nash, and with Johansen on the team, center isn't a pressing issue. Forsberg seems like a safe pick and could also play center if needed.
Interesting point. I wonder how quick the Nash thing works out when trading is open again to be honest.
Good God. Go back to post 33. You know what...here it is.
Someone replied to one of my posts and it triggered something that I know will never happen, but imagine this:
We trade Subban for 1st overall pick. With the 1st and 3rd picks it MAY be a selling feature for URFA's. What if Suter comes here knowing he'll be the guaranteed #1 D-man. We get Yakupov and Galchenyuk.....WOW!!!!!!!!!!
I don't see where I said that we'd be trading for 2 picks. I know the Habs have the 3rd pick already. Fact is that I posted the above and you're trying to grab any nugget to tear apart what I'm saying.
I mean, if you want add "a chance at" between up and the and you get what I mean. You're really grasping at straw man.
At first you assumed I knew nothing about Yakupov until I mentioned that I'd seen him play, and also it wasn't just the 3 times I mentioned. Then you assume to know my intent when I "presented" something that I never actually presented...Then you are arguing symmantics over the wording of one sentence when I stated it the proper way earlier.
Not sure what this whole post is about really. You didn't respond to one thing and essentially just dumping some anger on me because I disagree with the fact that you think trading PK for Yakupov would be a good move.
I think you need a bit of clarity. Here's what you wrote regarding the #1-3 picks:
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Originally Posted by Shadyone33
I get how good Subban is...I really do, but the 1st and 3rd overall picks would be a lot to pass up.
This is misleading. It's as if we'd be passing up one the #1 and #3, in order to keep PK. Not sure why I have to explain this to you.
I'm not trying to ''grab any nugget and tear it apart''. I have better things to do then make things up for the fun of it.
My first response to you came after you posted this:
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Originally Posted by Shadyone33
I would in a heartbeat and I'm a BIG Subban fan. Flame away.
Trading such a talented player like PK in a heartbeat for a prospect, one that isn't pegged to become THAT good, is quite troubling.
Furthermore, I find it pretty ironic that you tell people ''Flame away'' and then get your panties up in a bunch when someone calls you out on it.
I also haven't put any importance on the fact that you saw Yakupov played a couple times because it's very subjective and I won't waste any time arguing over it.
If you think Yakupov is worth more than PK, there's two options, you either undervalue PK which wouldn't really match your previous statement of you being ''a BIG Subban fan'', or you're overvaluing Yakupov, which seems a lot more likely considering the lack of accessibility of the games (compared to say, Habs game).
Again, I'm still waiting on arguments as to how Yakupov is better than PK.
As for the Suter move. It simply doesn't make any sense. We're not talking about a goalie here that needs to be the #1 guy. Suter is already being used as a top pairing guy, and he will be used as one on any team he signs with. I also don't understand why he wouldn't be assured top pairing if PK is here?
I also get a much bigger boner from having PK-Suter then Yakupov-Suter.
Yakupov is not better than PK, nor do I think he'll ever be, so it makes no sense to trade them heads up.
Interesting point. I wonder how quick the Nash thing works out when trading is open again to be honest.
How about the oilers trading their first for nash.....
And then CLB can draft yakupov and galchenyuk.
At least we get a top 3 pick and all we can hope for is a solid player that will help us. And add to that some late round picks that turn out great like we usually do bevause of timmins.
we really should start arguing about who to take at #33 and with the NSH pick
I said it before, if Subban is still available, no doubt in my mind we should go after him. He might turn up to be the surprise early pick in the first round though. A team like TB, that's pretty desperate for a good young goalie, might be inclined to get him.
I believe they have two first round picks though, they might risk waiting for their 2nd selection in order to get him.
In any case, if he's gone, I think we should go after Vasilevski.
If Price starts suffering key injuries, or simply never lives up to the potential, we need a back up plan.
I said it before, if Subban is still available, no doubt in my mind we should go after him. He might turn up to be the surprise early pick in the first round though. A team like TB, that's pretty desperate for a good young goalie, might be inclined to get him.
I believe they have two first round picks though, they might risk waiting for their 2nd selection in order to get him.
In any case, if he's gone, I think we should go after Vasilevski.
If Price starts suffering key injuries, or simply never lives up to the potential, we need a back up plan.
Still, we haven't seen the ''wow'' factor from him in the POs, which is the most important thing.
In any event, it's always important to have a solid young goalie coming up. That keeper can challenge the starter if need be, he can provide some solid victories and give an extra rest to the #1 guy. When the time comes to choose between the two, then you keep one while the other becomes a valuable moving asset.
It's a win-win move.
How about the oilers trading their first for nash.....
And then CLB can draft yakupov and galchenyuk.
At least we get a top 3 pick and all we can hope for is a solid player that will help us. And add to that some late round picks that turn out great like we usually do bevause of timmins.
Haha. Edmonton wouldn't take Nash's salary unless Horcoff went the other way, but it would be a VERY good start at a rebuild on Columbus' part. Having 2 picks in the top 3 would be exciting for any fanbase and would make up for not having the 1st pick to begin with. I have to say...Columbus seems to be cursed, every situation seems to blow up in their face!
Because 17 year olds don't heal the same way as 32 year olds.
When it comes to ligament, it's all the same.
Just like Markov, he probably will need to ice his knee after most game for the rest of his career. Not saying he won't have a career, plenty of players, kids and 30 years old both, have come back and had success. But it is going to be a wound that follows him and requires treatment.
Really, I am just wondering why everyone brings up Markov knees and so few bring up Galchenyuk knee. His ligaments were torn. It is what is. All things being equal, you draft the kids who did not tear his ACL. Of course, things are never equal, but that's why Galy has slipped to #6 in many rankings.
I am not expecting we pick Galchenyuk, personnally. He will slip around 5 to 8 where it makes more sense to assume the risks inherent to the injury and wasted year of development considering his potential will be superior enough to the remaining players to justify it. We will probably get Forsberg or Murray but I am genuinely curious what we'd do if Grigorenko is still available when we speak.
Not sure what this whole post is about really. You didn't respond to one thing and essentially just dumping some anger on me because I disagree with the fact that you think trading PK for Yakupov would be a good move.
All I was doing was showing that I didn't suggest we were trading for the 1st and 3rd pick. I had a feeling you'd completely miss it because you're convinced that I'm trying to say that we're trading Subban for a pick that we already have. What makes more sense...Me saying that we're trading for the 1st and 3rd overall picks or me saying that it would be great to have the opporunity to pick 1st and 3rd?
I think you need a bit of clarity. Here's what you wrote regarding the #1-3 picks:
This is misleading. It's as if we'd be passing up one the #1 and #3, in order to keep PK. Not sure why I have to explain this to you.
I'm not trying to ''grab any nugget and tear it apart''. I have better things to do then make things up for the fun of it.
Clearly you have better things to do, like "correcting" the majority of posts on the boards. I haven't been able to go anywhere in the last 20 minutes without you being condesending to someone or trying to correct their post. It's not misleading because I don't present it as such. That's your opinion. I corrected what I meant in my last post and you are just going on like I'm suggesting something that I was clearly not.
My first response to you came after you posted this:
Trading such a talented player like PK in a heartbeat for a prospect, one that isn't pegged to become THAT good, is quite troubling.
Furthermore, I find it pretty ironic that you tell people ''Flame away'' and then get your panties up in a bunch when someone calls you out on it.
The only thing that annoys me is that you're twisting what I'm saying and trying to put a representation of me that isn't accurate.
I also haven't put any importance on the fact that you saw Yakupov played a couple times because it's very subjective and I won't waste any time arguing over it.
If you think Yakupov is worth more than PK, there's two options, you either undervalue PK which wouldn't really match your previous statement of you being ''a BIG Subban fan'', or you're overvaluing Yakupov, which seems a lot more likely considering the lack of accessibility of the games (compared to say, Habs game).
Again, I'm still waiting on arguments as to how Yakupov is better than PK.
As for the Suter move. It simply doesn't make any sense. We're not talking about a goalie here that needs to be the #1 guy. Suter is already being used as a top pairing guy, and he will be used as one on any team he signs with. I also don't understand why he wouldn't be assured top pairing if PK is here?
I also get a much bigger boner from having PK-Suter then Yakupov-Suter.
Yakupov is not better than PK, nor do I think he'll ever be, so it makes no sense to trade them heads up.
If I tried to tear things apart like you do, I'd say Yakupov isn't a D-man when looking at what's in red but I don't. I don't read too much into things and try to attack the way things are worded.
One last thing and I'm not even going to bother checking what you say because I'm going to sleep. I NEVER once said that Yakupov was better that Subban. I don't think he is at this point. Point out to me where I said he was. I'm saying that I would trade Subban for the opportunity to pick 1st and 3rd overall (NO we are no acquiring 2 picks, I'm fully aware of that). Trading Subban would give us that opportunity because we already have the 3rd pick. The opportunity would be extra special because we would have a chance to draft two players that are not only teammates but also linemates.
I'm just glad our draft position didn't change and have NYI/TOR/ANA/MIN jump over us to push us down to 4th.
The only thing I can think of that Edmonton picking first messes up is that I think they were a shoe-in to pick Murray at #2 after Yakupov went to Columbus at #1, but now Yakupov should go to Edmonton (I think it's a no-brainer at this point, the top prospect almost never drops out of #1, no matter how much talk there is about it), and who knows who Columbus would pick? If they go with Murray, I wouldn't be too surprised since a D-man would benefit them too.
But that leaves us with Grigorenko and Galchenyuk to choose from, and while I'm not beat up about picking either, I've been leaning towards Galchenyuk myself, but I hesitate to listen to my own gut since Grigorenko's been ranked ahead of him all year.
Honestly, I just want Toronto to end up with Forsberg or Reilly. Let's hope their issue at centre doesn't get solved.
I just want to have all 3 (Forsberg-Grigs & Gally) to choose from at #3... I'll trust Timmins judgment on the best... I want nothing to do with Murray.
Go Habs Go!!!!
