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I don't think this is going to happen with the way MPS is valued right now. Don't get me wrong MPS is a good player (I think he will turn his luck around soon) and I'd like to have him on the Ducks ,but not at the expense of Vatanen.
Disreguard the above post. I was thinking Omark and Gagner.
Weber or Diaz for Paajarvi.
Paajarvi did score 15 goals in his rookie year. The only realistic pieces Montreal has that could interest me in moving Paajarvi are Tinordi or Beaulieu. I'd obviously want Subban, but Montreal would say no instantly.
Well they better up the anty because Paajarvi + Gagner isn't enough.
depends on what Dman is available.. Pajaarvi slumped big time so selling low would be stupid for Edmonton. The value however is certainly there to get a decent Dman in the mold of Tom Gilbert or better.
We are overloaded with veteran defensemen on contracts of varying length;
Regehr - 1 year remaining @ 4 million cap hit
Ehrhoff - 9 years remaining @ 4 million cap hit
Leopold - 1 year remaining @ 3 million cap hit
Sekera - 3 years remaining @ 2.75 million cap hit
Myers - 7 years remaining @ 5.5 million cap hit
Weber - 1 year remaining @ 950k cap hit
McNabb - 2 years remaining @ 900k cap hit
Brennan - RFA - Will be signed
Sulzer - UFA - Will most likely be signed
Myers is untouchable, Sulzer and Brennan likely to be resigned.
We've also got Derek Roy who could do with new scenery.
How about Sekera, Leopold and Roy for Paajarvi, Gagner and a R2?
Edmonton get their veteran D and a No2 C.
Buffalo get some depth on the LW (as Hecht will be off) and a new No2 C and clear some stay for our veteran Defensemen.
Gagner and MPS are not worth very much right now so I would rather keep them.
I'm hoping that the Oilers can land Schultz and land a 4-5 defenseman in FA, then the defense won't look too terrible
Smid/Whitney
____/Old Schultz
Petry/Young Schultz
Not too shabby
This is how I'm seeing the defense too. I'd like Garrison as the ufa. I would still look at moving some players for a bigger center for second line (preferably right handed and gritty).
Sure if you believe that all 30 teams have 6 legit 1st and 2nd line players and totally disregard all of the injuries in the league to players that could hit 40 if they played a few more games. A 2nd line 40 point center though? That would probably mean your team is one of the worst in the league. Gagner scored in 30 games this year, that isn't a very good 2nd line center, Derick Brassard scored in 31 games this season with 41 points, so I supposed he is a good 2nd line center now.
If some teams have less than 6 legit top 6 forwards, there should be some with more than 6, otherwise you have a skewed concept of top 6. If the average team has 4 top 6 forwards, what sense does it make to call them top 6?
We are overloaded with veteran defensemen on contracts of varying length;
Regehr - 1 year remaining @ 4 million cap hit
Ehrhoff - 9 years remaining @ 4 million cap hit
Leopold - 1 year remaining @ 3 million cap hit
Sekera - 3 years remaining @ 2.75 million cap hit
Myers - 7 years remaining @ 5.5 million cap hit
Weber - 1 year remaining @ 950k cap hit
McNabb - 2 years remaining @ 900k cap hit
Brennan - RFA - Will be signed
Sulzer - UFA - Will most likely be signed
Myers is untouchable, Sulzer and Brennan likely to be resigned.
We've also got Derek Roy who could do with new scenery.
How about Sekera, Leopold and Roy for Paajarvi, Gagner and a R2?
Edmonton get their veteran D and a No2 C.
Buffalo get some depth on the LW (as Hecht will be off) and a new No2 C and clear some stay for our veteran Defensemen.
Edmonton says yes to this trade. Just curious is Hodgson not the plan for the no2 center?
Edmonton says yes to this trade. Just curious is Hodgson not the plan for the no2 center?
I believe the plan is to run 3 balanced scoring lines (size/grit - playmaker - finisher....ie: Foligno (grit) - Ennis (playmaker) - Stafford (finisher) ) and derek roy isn't part of the plans....mainly because of the apparent split that has opened between him and Ruff. Gagner would probably center our third line unless he outplays ennis or hodgeson. The plan is to start a new core for our team centered around a trio of young centers, Myers, and Ehrhoff. Personally I've always liked Gagner and been pushing for the sabres to trade for him. Honestly in the deal the other sabres fan is offering we are overpaying a bit. Maybe switch Sekera with mike weber or TJ Brennan.
To BUF:
Paajarvi
Gagner
To EDM:
Roy
Leopold
Weber
But I don't know much about Paajarvi....some more info would be great.....if Weber isn't enough add a pick or put in Brennan instead?
Jesus man....your joking right? I would only trade Hopkins for Tavares/Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos. Thats it. Maybe Giroux.
You do mean you would trade Hopkins + for those players right? including Giroux! Hopkins is a nice up and coming player but he's not on the level of any of those players and is unlikely to be Stamkos/Crosby or Malkin esque.
that can vary in opinion of demonstrated history versus potential.
That can vary as to upgrade vs depth (quality v. quantity).
But it is largely true. The exception is the swindle, and that rarely happens at an epic degree of fail. (Habs way underestimating, Rangers way highly rating --- correctly --- McDonagh). And I'm not counting when some franchise is cap forced or has financial considerations driving a particular decision.
Gagner has some demonstrated ability. He is nice +. He is good, not great.
MPS has good size + great speed. He is at this point a gamble on potential.
Now that has been established, what kind of D are you looking for?
Using my Rangers as a comparison benchmark, even both these guys will not get you near McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, MDZ, or Erixon, nor highly regarded first rounder Dylan McIlrath.
Stralman, Eminger, Bickel Wovwitka are on the table.
To talk about one of others, you need to include one of your bonafide snipers Hall/RNH/Eberle/Yakupov. Even then, while balance is not everything, balance is very important. At present, the Ds coming up for NYR are righties. Strategically, Rangers should move the reasonably priced Girardi to create cap space and replace him by end of next year with McIlrath.For a team with established and increasing firepower, Oilers are especially a good fit with Girardi, a D first D as centerpiece.
I am open to a bigger deal if you want to discuss same considering an elite F on your side for Girardi + on mine.
As to a smaller one just based on the OP, I think choice of G prospects Stacjer/Talbot + Stralman + Mitchell enough for Gagner and Tyler Pitlick.
I liked Magnus Pajaarvi once, but he presently only is a 4th, maybe 3rd line LW until he can prove he can score (if not, extra defender clamps down on linemates). At his salary his is not desirable at a premium, and would only be considered for a swap of another project needing development, or for other considerations (cap, etc.)
In abstract, offer on MPS is a 5th upgradeable to a 4th upgradeable to a third upgradeable to a second maximum, depending uoon his production over the next couple of seasons.
We are overloaded with veteran defensemen on contracts of varying length;
Regehr - 1 year remaining @ 4 million cap hit
Ehrhoff - 9 years remaining @ 4 million cap hit
Leopold - 1 year remaining @ 3 million cap hit
Sekera - 3 years remaining @ 2.75 million cap hit
Myers - 7 years remaining @ 5.5 million cap hit
Weber - 1 year remaining @ 950k cap hit
McNabb - 2 years remaining @ 900k cap hit
Brennan - RFA - Will be signed
Sulzer - UFA - Will most likely be signed
Myers is untouchable, Sulzer and Brennan likely to be resigned.
We've also got Derek Roy who could do with new scenery.
How about Sekera, Leopold and Roy for Paajarvi, Gagner and a R2?
Edmonton get their veteran D and a No2 C.
Buffalo get some depth on the LW (as Hecht will be off) and a new No2 C and clear some stay for our veteran Defensemen.
very seldom do i see proposals i cant nit pick at... but this one seems pretty damn close. oilers do need a bit more vetern leadership mix and this helps that out... im guessing leopold does pass as a number 1 compared to the rest of what edmonton has to contend for that title. paarjarvi/gagner probably fit in just fine in buffalo too and how they tend to play by committee there
The reason the Oilers would move Gagner isn't for Defense. If their 2nd line C is Shawn Horcoff, it's bottom 5 again.
They ONLY move Gagner if they can acquire another 2nd C with SIZE and Grit.
Like it or not, the Oilers are very small in the top six, they need size to handle the Keslers/Koivu/Getzlaffs of the conference.
Most of all, they need a D-man that can actually play defense a little and, most importantly, MAKE A GOOD FIRST PASS to those forwards so they can fly....
You do mean you would trade Hopkins + for those players right? including Giroux! Hopkins is a nice up and coming player but he's not on the level of any of those players and is unlikely to be Stamkos/Crosby or Malkin esque.
not to derail the thread but in what world does hopkins not have the potential to be where giroux is? yes of course it would be hopkins +, but im saying i wouldnt give him up for anyone else. the kid is sooo good, and because he plays in edmonton fans around NA wont really understand until its to blatantly obvious to ignore. when hopkins is a perennial 90point player you will understand my point. top 5 vision in the league, THIS year. no im not trying to be a homer. hes one of the best number 1 picks in the last ten years.
