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2012 NHL Draft Lottery GDT: Edmonton wins it ‎(Pt. II)

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04-10-2012, 08:52 PM
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The Oilers did try to build every other way and got rebuffed.

They built a team that went to game 7 of the SCF and got rewarded for it by being shunned by the UFA community because Chris Pronger's wife couldn't find enough charity galas to run in Edmonton.

They did the offer sheet thing. They tried signing big UFAs. They tried trading but got rebuffed by Heatley.

So they decided to rebuild through the draft.

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Trade that pick to Pittsburgh for Martin.

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I guess The Oilers are still using 4-8-15-16-23-42 as their Lottery numbers..

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the tears are delicious.

hopefully Oilers management can do something worth a damn in the off-season. the team has been atrocious for 3 years, it's time to use the tools given to you. players want to play in edmonton (at least the oiler players). you've more or less managed to pare down the roster and identify the core going forward. better capitalize on it

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The Oilers did try to build every other way and got rebuffed.

They built a team that went to game 7 of the SCF and got rewarded for it by being shunned by the UFA community because Chris Pronger's wife couldn't find enough charity galas to run in Edmonton.

They did the offer sheet thing. They tried signing big UFAs. They tried trading but got rebuffed by Heatley.

So they decided to rebuild through the draft.
Fair enough but since when does building through the draft mean you have to get 1st 3 years in a row? You can build through the draft and still put a decent product on the ice.

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04-10-2012, 08:55 PM
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This is frustrating.

I hope Tambo thinks long and hard about if he wants to take the risk of a Russian bolting to the KHL.

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The Oilers did try to build every other way and got rebuffed.

They built a team that went to game 7 of the SCF and got rewarded for it by being shunned by the UFA community because Chris Pronger's wife couldn't find enough charity galas to run in Edmonton.

They did the offer sheet thing. They tried signing big UFAs. They tried trading but got rebuffed by Heatley.

So they decided to rebuild through the draft.
yeah but the oilers are tanking and a disgrace to the NHL apparantly. look at the oilers stats from last year to this year. ALL improvements....... sigh. if this isn't going the right direction I don't know what is. problem is being expect automatic results. they are getting there slowly and doing it right. quit hating everyone

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The Oilers did try to build every other way and got rebuffed.

They built a team that went to game 7 of the SCF and got rewarded for it by being shunned by the UFA community because Chris Pronger's wife couldn't find enough charity galas to run in Edmonton.

They did the offer sheet thing. They tried signing big UFAs. They tried trading but got rebuffed by Heatley.

So they decided to rebuild through the draft.
Absolutely... don't get me wrong, I don't care who gets the top picks. I have no problems with the draft lottery. I'm just saying that getting top picks doesn't guarantee that your team will win games (contrary to what appears to be the popular school of thought in this thread(s)).

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I'm not upset about it, read my post. It's disgraceful and I feel bad for Columbus and I think this is bad for the league as a whole.
Unless you're insinuating that the draft was rigged, there's really nothing "disgraceful" about the results.

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Fair enough but since when does building through the draft mean you have to get 1st 3 years in a row? You can build through the draft and still put a decent product on the ice.
It's not like the Oilers asked for the 1st this year. They didn't even win the lottery last year either just for the record.

What are you supposed to do? Return the pick or something? If you're going to "build through the draft", then it's not the worst thing in the world to get the no.1 player.

Ask Pittsburgh fans if their Cup means any less to them because they "fluked" into getting Crosby + Malkin + Staal + Fleury.

The Oilers have also hit the jack pot in getting a star out of the no.22 pick in Jordan Eberle, so it's not even like no.1 picks are their only good players.

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Fair enough but since when does building through the draft mean you have to get 1st 3 years in a row? You can build through the draft and still put a decent product on the ice.
oilers have said time and time again they will not oversign to get free agents. they are doing this slowly so they can afford their homegrown talent.

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Unless you're insinuating that the draft was rigged, there's really nothing "disgraceful" about the results.
I'm talking about tanking for so long, trying to take my words out of context? Where did I say it was rigged or unfair? Being 29th or 30th 3 years in a row is absolutely disgraceful and in my opinion purposeful. There's only one way to be that bad, and that's on purpose.

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They're on to us ...
Shhhhhhh...keep it down!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm talking about tanking for so long, trying to take my words out of context? Where did I say it was rigged or unfair? Being 29th or 30th 3 years in a row is absolutely disgraceful and in my opinion purposeful. There's only one way to be that bad, and that's on purpose.
Haha! I need to write this one down...

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I'm talking about tanking for so long, trying to take my words out of context? Where did I say it was rigged or unfair? Being 29th or 30th 3 years in a row is absolutely disgraceful and in my opinion purposeful. There's only one way to be that bad, and that's on purpose.
You clearly haven't been paying attention the last few years.

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I'm talking about tanking for so long, trying to take my words out of context? Where did I say it was rigged or unfair? Being 29th or 30th 3 years in a row is absolutely disgraceful and in my opinion purposeful. There's only one way to be that bad, and that's on purpose.
There's actually a 4.37% chance the Oilers get 3 first overalls finishing 30th, 30th, and 29th. That's a lot of luck factoring in there.

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Congratulations Oilers on yet another successful tank.
You do realize how the great Avs teams were built, right?

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I think it's ridiculous they have the #1 pick 3rd year in a row, but cmon. If anything, he would rig it for CBJ. A struggling small market franchise could use that pick a lot more than a Canadian team.
An Avs fans should be the LAST person complaining about 3 picks in a row....dare we remind you of 1989,1990, and 1991???

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There's actually a 4.37% chance the Oilers get 3 first overalls finishing 30th, 30th, and 29th. That's a lot of luck factoring in there.
This isn't accurate. If the 3 years were mutually exclusive sure. You are computing as if the league threw all the players sticks at center ice and they picked a random team every year. But they were still a bad team overall the last 3 years.

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Not angry it's the lottery, but love when people complain about the Islanders having a lot of high picks, but we never hear anything about edmonton.

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I called it a couple months back. CBJ is cursed...

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So Edmonton follows the Pittsburgh model...

Build around your young core, Oilers. Get some complimentary players via trades and FA, and don't screw it up, and you'll be a top team in about 4 or so years.

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This isn't accurate. If the 3 years were mutually exclusive sure. You are computing as if the league threw all the players sticks at center ice and they picked a random team every year. But they were still a bad team overall the last 3 years.
how is that not accurate? The same method is applied for flipping coins, which is also (edit) are mutually exclusive.

.5*.5 = .25 --> 25% chance you get heads (or tails) twice in a row.

Chances of getting fist
48*.48*.19
except instead of a coin, it's these odds.

I'm not really good at statistics so feel free to counter-argue with math.


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At what point does this rebuild end? Is tambellini going to sign FA's this year or plan to hoard #1 picks a little while longer?

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