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04-10-2012, 11:44 PM
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Thrashers vs. Jets by the numbers

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...by-the-numbers

Really like the stats the guys do over there.

I thought this deserved it's own thread as there's lots of room for discussion.

I think Noel deserves some extra props as he inherited nearly the exact same team, but was able to improve it in a lot of areas (special teams and missed shots still need work though) this year.

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Neat.

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not good enough... FIRE NOEL!

It really can only get better from here on out, especially with the expectations are being raised next season. Hopefully Chevy makes some real nice deals time around.

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Great find and a nice read.

I don't think the coaching staff gets nearly enough credit for the work they have done this past season (at least on hf)

There is clearly more room for improvement, that is obvious.
However, the team made some nice strides, like the goal diff.
It is still -21 (which needs to be allot better) But that is a great improvement from the -46 the year before.

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If we make the same small improvement next year, I like our chances of making the playoffs.

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Very interesting, looks like about the same result except in a few categories. I always felt that this year was more of a "get the team here" and then they could go forward making changes.

Hits went up, too. Who do you attribute that to? Maybe Stuart? We only had him a few months last season.

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giveaways 285(10) 212(30)
takeaways 225(28) 255(8)


Is that right? Even though we cut down on giveaways by 73, we were the worst in the league?

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Very interesting, looks like about the same result except in a few categories. I always felt that this year was more of a "get the team here" and then they could go forward making changes.

Hits went up, too. Who do you attribute that to? Maybe Stuart? We only had him a few months last season.
Probably has something to do with Ramsay saying hitting was overrated and hockey players being idiots.

Seriously, I think his philosophy that hitting was overrated was misunderstood by players.

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Probably has something to do with Ramsay saying hitting was overrated and hockey players being idiots.

Seriously, I think his philosophy that hitting was overrated was misunderstood by players.
I'll address the elephant in the room. I think the hitting was up because of the fired up atmosphere. Honesty compels me to say this but those last two seasons in Atlanta were pretty brutal. I've been to wakes that were better attended and more fun than most of the weeknight games.

The rest of the numbers are no surprise. The team is what it is. The GA is a nice improvement. I look forward to seeing what management does this summer.

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He only looks at the road stats though for the misc stats and not the home stats. Going by the NHL site for real-time stats, I get this:

Winnipeg 2012

Hits: 1966 (1038 home + 938 road) Rank: 11
Blocked shots: 1197 (565 home + 632 road) Rank: 14
Missed Shots: 1067 (555 home + 512 road) Rank: 4
Giveaways: 604 (392 home + 212 road) Rank: 16
Takeaways: 484 (229 home, 255 road) Rank: 23

So look at the giveway number...the rank 30 he shows, means that we have the LEAST amount of giveaways on the road. However that just sort of means that we never have puck possession to begin with.

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I'll address the elephant in the room. I think the hitting was up because of the fired up atmosphere. Honesty compels me to say this but those last two seasons in Atlanta were pretty brutal. I've been to wakes that were better attended and more fun than most of the weeknight games.

The rest of the numbers are no surprise. The team is what it is. The GA is a nice improvement. I look forward to seeing what management does this summer.
Again, his misc stats (including hits) is for road games only.

For a link to the NHL RSS click here:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...=realTimeStats

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Hits went up, too. Who do you attribute that to? Maybe Stuart? We only had him a few months last season.
That, also having Slater healthy for the entire season. But the biggest factor was Tanner Glass. 246 hits this season, that's an unofficial franchise record (unofficial since I can't find hits being tracked pre-2005).

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[QUOTE=Sunshine36616;47722041]Very interesting, looks like about the same result except in a few categories. I always felt that this year was more of a "get the team here" and then they could go forward making changes.

Hits went up, too. Who do you attribute that to? Maybe Stuart? We only had him a few months last season.[/QUOTE]

yea Sunshine Stuart and Tanner Glass who at one point was top 5 in the NHL in hits. I know Boulton was physical and I don't have his hitting numbers but Glass is so mobile it allowed him to get up on the defenders fast and he was really consistent night in night out playing the body.

woops edit: I notice Hank touched on Glass

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I think the Hits are directly a result of the pumped up atmosphere the Jets get to play in at home. If you can't score goals, you cream someone...that's what happens when you're pumped.

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Interesting...

A couple of tidbits. Shots against went from 24th to 11th rank, but GAA stayed at 26th. Save percentage went from 22nd to 24th. Maybe we gave up much better chances this year than last.

One possible explanation is that the penalty kill time increased dramatically this year, while PP time reduced substantially. This might explain the lower save percentage since PP shots tend to be better chances. I definitely think that discipline and too many penalties was a drag on the team's performance this year.

Maybe Ramsay's non-physical approach had some merit after all.

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Very interesting, looks like about the same result except in a few categories. I always felt that this year was more of a "get the team here" and then they could go forward making changes.

Hits went up, too. Who do you attribute that to? Maybe Stuart? We only had him a few months last season.
Mark stuart and slater were injured/gone for most of last year
Glass wasn't here at all last year
That's 3/4 of our top 4 hitters (in quantity)... leaving only Kane as most of the hits last year...

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I think the Hits are directly a result of the pumped up atmosphere the Jets get to play in at home. If you can't score goals, you cream someone...that's what happens when you're pumped.
These stats were away only to remove "home bias"

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It would have been awesome to make the playoffs this year but to be honest, I take the fact that the team managed to improve to a slight degree (as opposed to actually regressing some) as a real success story. Given the fact that the team was under new management/coaching in a new city and a pretty tough schedule for the first third or so of the season I was really afraid we were in for an ugly first season. Things could have gotten very unpleasant had they finished ten points WORSE than last year...

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the same website just posted a look at comparing point production

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Hard to attribute the changes to anything, really. The team was a more cohesive unit as it was largely the same team that skated the previous season together. You would expect some improvements based on that alone.

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