Yakupov really does remind me of Pavel Bure. Pavel Bure who can hit lick a truck.
So it would be like adding a prime Pavel Bure who could hit like a truck.
Bure could hit like a truck too, he just never really did he preferred to let his wheels/hands do the talking for him. But if you still don't believe me ask Shane Churla.
RNH got knocked out for twenty games due to concussions and a shoulder bump...he returned to the lineup for the entire stretch run and played at the same high level as always.
Concussion and then he lost an edge and fell into the boards shoulder first injured it, missed 13 games rehabbed it, then came back Mike Brown hit him and he missed another week after that. Remember when he got drafted they said he needed to get bigger? That's why they said that.
I would rather trade our pick and move down to draft a D man. Reilly is a stud we could make a trade with Edmonton for some forward help. Edmonton may be willing to trade the top pick but not to us but likely the islanders.
I've been thinking about a 3-way trade between CLB, EDM, and TOR.
This trade would make sense for all teams involved, and I've included a rationale for these moves at the bottom of this post.
Feel free to chime in with your thoughts!
To CLB:
TOR 2012 1st (5th overall)
TOR 2013 1st
Nazem Kadri
Nikolai Kulemin
To EDM:
CLB 2012 1st (2nd overall)
TOR 2012 2nd (35th overall)
Carl Gunnarson
To TOR:
EDM 2012 1st (1st overall)
Rick Nash
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Columbus:
- 2nd Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- Rick Nash
+ 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
+ 2013 TOR 1st Round
+ Nazem Kadri
+ Nikolai Kulemin
Rationale: Columbus gives up flexibility in their selection, but still stays within top 5 picks where players are seen as the same "Tier" (outside of Yakupov) and trades Rick Nash to a team on his shortlist (Toronto is said to be on this list). In return, Columbus gets Toronto's 5th pick (and still picks a player from that same tier, with less flexibility in their selection), pick up another Toronto 1st rounder in 2013, a highly touted prospect in Nazem Kadri, and a season removed 30-goal young scorer with a strong two way game.
Rationale: Edmonton, a team that's already stacked up front, moves down a pick and picks Murray because they need a young player who can step in immediately and Murray can be that guy. In return for moving down to 2nd overall (which makes sense for them anyway), they also get Toronto's 35th overall pick and further bolster their blue line with a young but proven Carl Gunnarson.
Toronto:
- 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- 35th Pick
- 2013 TOR 1st Round
- Nazem Kadri
- Carl Gunnarson
+ 1st Pick (Yakupov)
+ Rick Nash
Rationale: Toronto gives up their 5th and 35th pick along with their 2013 1st Round. In addition, Toronto also gives up highly touted prospect Nazem Kadri as well as proven young defenceman Carl Gunnarson. In return, Toronto moves up and is able to select Yakupov with the 1st overall, as well as bring in perennial 30-goal scorer and hometown boy Rick Nash.
I've been thinking about a 3-way trade between CLB, EDM, and TOR.
This trade would make sense for all teams involved, and I've included a rationale for these moves at the bottom of this post.
Feel free to chime in with your thoughts!
To CLB:
TOR 2012 1st (5th overall)
TOR 2013 1st
Nazem Kadri
Nikolai Kulemin
To EDM:
CLB 2012 1st (2nd overall)
TOR 2012 2nd (35th overall)
Carl Gunnarson
To TOR:
EDM 2012 1st (1st overall)
Rick Nash
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Columbus:
- 2nd Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- Rick Nash
+ 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
+ 2013 TOR 1st Round
+ Nazem Kadri
+ Nikolai Kulemin
Rationale: Columbus gives up flexibility in their selection, but still stays within top 5 picks where players are seen as the same "Tier" (outside of Yakupov) and trades Rick Nash to a team on his shortlist (Toronto is said to be on this list). In return, Columbus gets Toronto's 5th pick (and still picks a player from that same tier, with less flexibility in their selection), pick up another Toronto 1st rounder in 2013, a highly touted prospect in Nazem Kadri, and a season removed 30-goal young scorer with a strong two way game.
Rationale: Edmonton, a team that's already stacked up front, moves down a pick and picks Murray because they need a young player who can step in immediately and Murray can be that guy. In return for moving down to 2nd overall (which makes sense for them anyway), they also get Toronto's 35th overall pick and further bolster their blue line with a young but proven Carl Gunnarson.
Toronto:
- 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- 35th Pick
- 2013 TOR 1st Round
- Nazem Kadri
- Carl Gunnarson
+ 1st Pick (Yakupov)
+ Rick Nash
Rationale: Toronto gives up their 5th and 35th pick along with their 2013 1st Round. In addition, Toronto also gives up highly touted prospect Nazem Kadri as well as proven young defenceman Carl Gunnarson. In return, Toronto moves up and is able to select Yakupov with the 1st overall, as well as bring in perennial 30-goal scorer and hometown boy Rick Nash.
Well done!
Don't know if a 3 way that big can get done but i guess you never know...
AND i might add Nash/Kessel/Yakupo/Lupul/Frattin/Ashton/Armstrong are all natural RWers.
Might make sense to stick with Yakupov + Nash and deal Kessel + for Getzlaf
Bure could hit like a truck too, he just never really did he preferred to let his wheels/hands do the talking for him. But if you still don't believe me ask Shane Churla.
Yeesh, that was nasty. Thanks for that, though. Bure's best days were behind him by the time I started following hockey beyond just the Leafs, so I never saw much of that feistiness that I'm sure he displayed some more of earlier on.
Concussion and then he lost an edge and fell into the boards shoulder first injured it, missed 13 games rehabbed it, then came back Mike Brown hit him and he missed another week after that. Remember when he got drafted they said he needed to get bigger? That's why they said that.
Sorry, I forgot that the first shoulder injury was a fluke and labeled it as a concussion.
You're right, he needs to beef up, but that doesn't mean he has to be considered "injury prone". Aside from the Mike Brown hit, he was able to absorb hits and withstand physicality almost effortlessly at the NHL level.
I'd do Schenn/Franson and our pick. i might throw in the 2013 2nd rounder as well, though it'd be nice if they took Komisarek as well for that (he might be a 2nd-pairing D there!)
I'm sure that Yakupov will be an effective NHL'er but I don't think he will be a star. He was mediocre in the WJC...didn't score a single goal! This season he hadsome injuries but didnt really increase his stats from last year. He certainly didnt dominate in the playoffs: only 2 goals 3 assists and -7 in 6 games. Last year Huberdeau rose to the occasion and improved his scoring rate in the playoffs and then won MVP of the Memorial cup. Thats what a top prospect does to prove that he can perform under pressure in important games!
I dont think he is built for the game the Burke and Carlyle want to play so why give up top players/assets to move up 4 spots to take him?
Slight edit to provide a little more for CLB, thoughts?
I've been thinking about a 3-way trade between CLB, EDM, and TOR.
This trade would make sense for all teams involved, and I've included a rationale for these moves at the bottom of this post.
Feel free to chime in with your thoughts!
To CLB:
TOR 2012 1st (5th overall)
TOR 2013 1st
Nazem Kadri
Nikolai Kulemin
To EDM:
CLB 2012 1st (2nd overall)
TOR 2012 2nd (35th overall)
Carl Gunnarson
To TOR:
EDM 2012 1st (1st overall)
Rick Nash
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Columbus:
- 2nd Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- Rick Nash
+ 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
+ 35th Pick
+ 2013 TOR 1st Round
+ Nazem Kadri
+ Nikolai Kulemin
Rationale: Columbus gives up flexibility in their selection, but still stays within top 5 picks where players are seen as the same "Tier" (outside of Yakupov) and trades Rick Nash to a team on his shortlist (Toronto is said to be on this list). In return, Columbus gets Toronto's 5th pick (and still picks a player from that same tier, with less flexibility in their selection), they also get Toronto's 35th overall pick and pick up another Toronto 1st rounder in 2013, a highly touted prospect in Nazem Kadri, and a season removed 30-goal young scorer with a strong two way game.
Rationale: Edmonton, a team that's already stacked up front, moves down a pick and picks Murray because they need a young player who can step in immediately and Murray can be that guy. In return for moving down to 2nd overall (which makes sense for them anyway) and further bolster their blue line with a young but proven Carl Gunnarson.
Toronto:
- 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- 35th Pick
- 2013 TOR 1st Round
- Nazem Kadri
- Nikolai Kulemin
- Carl Gunnarson
+ 1st Pick (Yakupov)
+ Rick Nash
Rationale: Toronto gives up their 5th and 35th pick along with their 2013 1st Round. In addition, Toronto also gives up highly touted prospect Nazem Kadri as well as proven young defenceman Carl Gunnarson. In return, Toronto moves up and is able to select Yakupov with the 1st overall, as well as bring in perennial 30-goal scorer and hometown boy Rick Nash.
I've been thinking about a 3-way trade between CLB, EDM, and TOR.
This trade would make sense for all teams involved, and I've included a rationale for these moves at the bottom of this post.
Feel free to chime in with your thoughts!
To CLB:
TOR 2012 1st (5th overall)
TOR 2013 1st
Nazem Kadri
Nikolai Kulemin
To EDM:
CLB 2012 1st (2nd overall)
TOR 2012 2nd (35th overall)
Carl Gunnarson
To TOR:
EDM 2012 1st (1st overall)
Rick Nash
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Columbus gets shafted hard. Take a look at the package they declined from the Rangers at the deadline for Nash alone. And you want them to deal both Nash AND the 2nd overall for less?
Columbus has needs all over the place, but you're not even considering what they want in a package. They want to upgrade at defense and net, in addition to what they can get at forward. Kadri and Kulemin's stock right now are both at their lowest - why would Columbus take this package over any others?
Edit: I see you added the 35th overall to Columbus. Still much less than what they would've gotten from the Rangers alone. You're making the assumption that the Leafs 2013 1st round pick will be Top-5/Top-10, when adding Nash plus the #1 to the Leafs in that trade would probably move it to around the 10-20 range. Still terrible value to Columbus. They refused more than that for Nash alone.
Last edited by Briecheeze: 04-13-2012 at 02:51 PM.
To CLB:
TOR 2012 1st (5th overall)
TOR 2013 1st
Cory Schneider
Joe Colborne
Nikolai Kulemin
To VAN:
Luke Schenn
TOR 2012 2nd (35th overall)
To TOR:
CLB 2012 1st (2nd overall)
Rick Nash
This is just an adjusted version, using Vancouver as the intermediate instead of Edmonton, swtiching Kadri with Colborne and Gunnarson with Schenn. We also get the second overall pick instead of the first. This sets up Toronto for:
If there were any year for Burke to pull off another "Sedin" draft this is it. Anything he could do to draft both Yakupov and Galchenyuk without giving up Kessel, I would allow it. Yes, I would put Gardiner on the table if you could get both.
To CLB:
TOR 2012 1st (5th overall)
TOR 2013 1st
Cory Schneider
Joe Colborne
Nikolai Kulemin
To VAN:
Luke Schenn
TOR 2012 2nd (35th overall)
To TOR:
CLB 2012 1st (2nd overall)
Rick Nash
This is just an adjusted version, using Vancouver as the intermediate instead of Edmonton, swtiching Kadri with Colborne and Gunnarson with Schenn. We also get the second overall pick instead of the first. This sets up Toronto for:
[/B]8087]If there were any year for Burke to pull off another "Sedin" draft this is it. Anything he could do to draft both Yakupov and Galchenyuk without giving up Kessel, I would allow it. Yes, I would put Gardiner on the table if you could get both.
I have a strong feeling that he'll do this, I had it just after the draft lootery*(it's supposed to be a typo guys),I turned to my cousin told him that and explained who/what I'd trade if was him. Normally, my cousin is a realist and shoots down ANY proposal. This time, he thought about it and then agreed it would probably work.
Yakupov has had 2 not 1 concussions. Players who have had 1 concussion are more likely to have another concussion than players who have not had a concussion. Players who have had 2 concussions are more likely to have another concussion than players who have had 1 concussion.
Players with 4-5 concussions never play again
So tell me again how trading our core assets makes sense again???
Bure could hit like a truck too, he just never really did he preferred to let his wheels/hands do the talking for him. But if you still don't believe me ask Shane Churla.
Columbus gets shafted hard. Take a look at the package they declined from the Rangers at the deadline for Nash alone. And you want them to deal both Nash AND the 2nd overall for less?
The question ends up being whether or not Nash's value increases or decreases outside of the trade deadline and as he gets a) older and b) closer to the year of his contract.
I honestly don't think they get a deal comparable to what the Rangers were offering at the deadline, even at next year's deadline.
If there were any year for Burke to pull off another "Sedin" draft this is it. Anything he could do to draft both Yakupov and Galchenyuk without giving up Kessel, I would allow it. Yes, I would put Gardiner on the table if you could get both.
