Are Oiler fans getting antsy, if they don't make the playoffs next year? Or does Tambellini still have a get out of jail free card next year?
I guess depends on how bad they fail, if they don't make the playoffs. Clearly Tambo is going to address the D situation in the off-season, among other things. If whatever he does doesn't seem to work, and we find ourselves again at the draft lottery table, I think Tambo is gone.
would offer nothing and keep the pick draft BPA, we'll still get a high skilled player at 5th its not worth giving up prospects like gardiner, kadri just to draft an unproven/injury prone player in yakopov, alot can happen between now and the draft, who knows yakopov might not even be picked first overall
Hah, the third is what makes it. I wouldn't be hesitant to go 5th + Schenn + Lupul, but that would probably be my max offer. It'd be even better because the Oilers fans hate Lupul lol.
I love Jake Gardiner, and don't WANT to move him, but I find it absolutely friggen ridiculous that you guys wouldn't move Gardiner for Yakupov. Look at it this way.
Look at how many FIRST OVERALL draft picks turn into star players vs don't pan out.
Then look at how many players have a pretty good first season and turn into star players vs turn into average to below average players.
Tell me where the odds of us finding a star player are more likely.
Then throw in the fact that it's much more difficult to acquire ELITE forward talent than ELITE defense.
Hah, the third is what makes it. I wouldn't be hesitant to go 5th + Schenn + Lupul, but that would probably be my max offer. It'd be even better because the Oilers fans hate Lupul lol.
Nice bro. Tell me who the Leafs are going to pick with your totally sweet insider knowledge while you're at it.
Dude, did you watch Schenn this year? I'm not claiming to have some "insider" knowledge, I'm just pointing out what should be obvious to most by now. Jeez, relax, everyone on these boards always looking for a fight.
For the majority of the year, Schenn has been incredibly slow, constantly out of position, beat a lot in one on one situations, and basically an overall liability when on the ice. Sure, he lays the big hits, but they often take him out of position. Right now, he has to get faster and work on his puck skills. I haven't given up hope on him, but he should not entice Edmonton to pass on the top player in the draft.
Now please, twist my words again so it seems like I'm trying to be a prophet.
I love Jake Gardiner, and don't WANT to move him, but I find it absolutely friggen ridiculous that you guys wouldn't move Gardiner for Yakupov. Look at it this way.
Look at how many FIRST OVERALL draft picks turn into star players vs don't pan out.
Then look at how many players have a pretty good first season and turn into star players vs turn into average to below average players.
Tell me where the odds of us finding a star player are more likely.
Then throw in the fact that it's much more difficult to acquire ELITE forward talent than ELITE defense.
You forget that it won;t just be Gardiner for Yakupov!! It will be Gardiner++ which is too much!
I love Jake Gardiner, and don't WANT to move him, but I find it absolutely friggen ridiculous that you guys wouldn't move Gardiner for Yakupov. Look at it this way.
Look at how many FIRST OVERALL draft picks turn into star players vs don't pan out.
Then look at how many players have a pretty good first season and turn into star players vs turn into average to below average players.
Tell me where the odds of us finding a star player are more likely.
Then throw in the fact that it's much more difficult to acquire ELITE forward talent than ELITE defense.
To clarify, most people are saying we wouldn't give up Gardiner AND our pick for the 1st, it would be pretty stupid not to give up Gardiner for him straight up.
If you are saying that you would do Gardiner + our 1st in a heartbeat think again. I really disagree in your sentiment that it is easier to find an elite defensive talent then forward, I think its much harder. Plus Yakupov fits 0 need on this team, basically the only things we have are scoring wingers (Kessel, to a lesser extent Lupul, Kadri in the future etc etc) and really need to upgrade goaltending, defence, and centre.
You forget that it won;t just be Gardiner for Yakupov!! It will be Gardiner++ which is too much!
Well, yeah, that is what you do to move up and take a consensus franchise forward. A highly-touted prospect and the #5 overall for a player most see as being a franchise changer?
Do you think Gardiner straight up is more fair?
Again, I don't think Edmonton does the deal anyway, so I would rather just keep #5.
To clarify, most people are saying we wouldn't give up Gardiner AND our pick for the 1st, it would be pretty stupid not to give up Gardiner for him straight up.
If you are saying that you would do Gardiner + our 1st in a heartbeat think again. I really disagree in your sentiment that it is easier to find an elite defensive talent then forward, I think its much harder. Plus Yakupov fits 0 need on this team, basically the only things we have are scoring wingers (Kessel, to a lesser extent Lupul, Kadri in the future etc etc) and really need to upgrade goaltending, defence, and centre.
I'm not saying Gardiner and our first, but Gardiner and other assets in the system, depending on what they are, I'm absolutely interested in working on something like that.
Teams only need 1 elite defensemen, you can get by with that, (Chara, Letang, Lidstrom, Doughty) where as multiple elite forwards are required to carry a healthy offense.
Yakupov is far and away the best asset in the deal, that almost always trumps.
Not to mention, drafting Yakupov + Galchenyuk, for me anyways, would be absolutely a dream scenario that I'd kill for the Leafs to have.
Schenn + 5th and that is all. They acquire a potential good defender and can add another defender maybe a murray or a dumba. 2 d-man in one swoop. we'll see how it goes. I wouldn't let go of Gardiner for this trade. I'd rather just pick Galy
Because the name of Lupul's game is repeatable, sustainable consistency, amirite? Also,
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Dude, did you watch Schenn this year? I'm not claiming to have some "insider" knowledge, I'm just pointing out what should be obvious to most by now. Jeez, relax, everyone on these boards always looking for a fight.
For the majority of the year, Schenn has been incredibly slow, constantly out of position, beat a lot in one on one situations, and basically an overall liability when on the ice. Sure, he lays the big hits, but they often take him out of position. Right now, he has to get faster and work on his puck skills. I haven't given up hope on him, but he should not entice Edmonton to pass on the top player in the draft.
Now please, twist my words again so it seems like I'm trying to be a prophet.
I don't have to twist anything. Luke Schenn is not very good at defense right now. He's also what, 21? Thankfully, most GMs aren't as radically volatile and bipolar as HFboarders, so they will typically recognize the fact that A) he's a kid and B) defensemen follow longer developmental curves. His value isn't zero to every team in the league. That's just an absurd thing to say. He remains what he is: a 3rd pairing defenseman with 1st pair shutdown potential, and should be valued accordingly.
You never know - Burke may try some of his wheeling and dealing, circa 1999, to try to get back into the top 5. He needs to get better in a hurry, and might get creative.
Target CBJ and try to get that #2 pick. Unfortunately, I can't see any way of doing it without including that 2013 first.
Something like any two of Kadri/Schenn/Frattin/Franson/Colborne and the 2013 first for #2 overall. If they don't bite, try to swing a deal with the Islanders and get back to back picks at 4 and 5.
#2-Grigs (if #4, just pick two BPAs available at 4 and 5)
#5 - Whoever is left of Galy/Murray/Forsberg
Don't like the idea of giving up the 2013 first, but we would get two high-end prospects right away. I know it is a deep draft next year, which would probably convince me to keep the 2013 first, but Burke has pulled a rabit out of his hat before when it comes to trades.
Sign Harding on the 1st, and hope he or Reimer takes the torch next year.
You never know - Burke may try some of his wheeling and dealing, circa 1999, to try to get back into the top 5. He needs to get better in a hurry, and might get creative.
Target CBJ and try to get that #2 pick. Unfortunately, I can't see any way of doing it without including that 2013 first.
Something like any two of Kadri/Schenn/Frattin/Franson/Colborne and the 2013 first for #2 overall. If they don't bite, try to swing a deal with the Islanders and get back to back picks at 4 and 5.
#2-Grigs (if #4, just pick two BPAs available at 4 and 5)
#5 - Whoever is left of Galy/Murray/Forsberg
Don't like the idea of giving up the 2013 first, but we would get two high-end prospects right away. I know it is a deep draft next year, which would probably convince me to keep the 2013 first, but Burke has pulled a rabit out of his hat before when it comes to trades.
Sign Harding on the 1st, and hope he or Reimer takes the torch next year.
That 2013 pick could feasibly be Nathan MacKinnon. Burke's been burned with precociously trading first rounders before; I doubt he attempts it again.
