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It's not secret that the Isles are looking for that elusive top four defenseman. Also, it's been rumored that Columbus is looking to draft a foward to replace Nash (assuming he is dealt), Filip Forsberg specifically. Could this deal work? It solidifies that both teams get their man (NYI Murray) and Columbus can get a little extra something' in the process. As for that 'extra something', I'm not sure what it would be. Thoughts?
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The Isles would never trade Nino to move up 2 spots. He's 19 and was drafted 5th overall 2 years ago. Regardless of what happened this season the Isles are still high on him.
If anything the Isles would probably offer a package of picks, like the 4th pick, a 2nd this year and maybe a 2nd next year. If CBJ is happy with either of Galchenyuk, Forsberg or Grigorenko, I think two 2nd rounders would be a pretty good return to move down 2 spots.
That said I think the Isles will probably just sit tight and take whoever falls to them.
It's not secret that the Isles are looking for that elusive top four defenseman. Also, it's been rumored that Columbus is looking to draft a foward to replace Nash (assuming he is dealt), Filip Forsberg specifically. Could this deal work? It solidifies that both teams get their man (NYI Murray) and Columbus can get a little extra something' in the process. As for that 'extra something', I'm not sure what it would be. Thoughts?
No thanks.
I think the isles have a very good chance of landing Murray at #4,now that Edmonton has won the draft lottery.
Oilers-Nail
Columbus-seems to have found the blueline stud they will build around in Jack Johnson.Also have Tytutin and Wiz signed to long term deals.Their offensive star Nash wants to be traded.I think they will draft one of the 3 big forwards to replace him:Forsberg/Grigs/Galchenyuk.
Montreal:will draft one of the big centers Grigs or Galchenyuk.There is some debate about whether Forsberg can play center.He may be in the mix here.
isles-look at who's available at #4:Murry/Dumba/Reilly.
my first choice among them is Murray,but I promise not to curse if Snow and his scouts choose Dumba or Reilly.
I think the isles have a very good chance of landing Murray at #4,now that Edmonton has won the draft lottery.
Oilers-Nail
Columbus-seems to have found the blueline stud they will build around in Jack Johnson.Also have Tytutin and Wiz signed to long term deals.Their offensive star Nash wants to be traded.I think they will draft one of the 3 big forwards to replace him:Forsberg/Grigs/Galchenyuk.
Montreal:will draft of of the big centers Grigs or Galchenyuk.There is some debate about whether Forsberg can play center.He may be in the mix here.
isles-look at who's available at #4:Murry/Dumba/Reilly.
my first choice among them is Murray,but I promise not to curse if Snow and his scouts choose Dumba or Murray.
This is how I Feel.....I think the first 3 picks are offense unless EDM moves down or another team Moves up....
The Habs might consider trading down for the right package, or might even trade their 3rd for the right player. If the Islanders are afraid that a team in need of defence would make a deal with Montreal to hop over the Isles, would they consider sending Montreal their 4th overall and a 2012 2nd to ensure they get the D-man they truly want if he is still there at the 3rd spot?
The Isles would never trade Nino to move up 2 spots. He's 19 and was drafted 5th overall 2 years ago. Regardless of what happened this season the Isles are still high on him.
That's entirely fair and I completely understand. It's just, y'know... priorities.
LOL@Isles fans thinking Murray will be available at 4. Teams don't draft based on needs in the 1st round, especially not in the top 5. Teams are going to take the best player available, and there aren't three players that are better than Murray.
LOL@Isles fans thinking Murray will be available at 4. Teams don't draft based on needs in the 1st round, especially not in the top 5. Teams are going to take the best player available, and there aren't three players that are better than Murray.
I don't know about that.....
I think this draft has a clear #1, then a drop off after #4.
Murray, Grigorenko and Galchenyuk are all rated higher by different people. Each of them has been #2 in some professional rankings (I don't think any other players have).
Would it really be a shock if Columbus took Grigorenko or Galchenyuk and Montreal took the other? This isn't about need, but about the fact that some teams consider Grigorenko and Galchenyuk potential #1 centers, and some teams think Murray lacks the offense to be a #1D.
Edmonton (or whomever they potentially trade the pick to) will draft Yakupov. This thread seems to presume Columbus wouldn't be picking a defenseman, so that only leaves Montreal, who is assumed to be picking a center. Where's the incentive for the Islanders to pay for Columbus risking their forward pick to Montreal?
LOL@Isles fans thinking Murray will be available at 4. Teams don't draft based on needs in the 1st round, especially not in the top 5. Teams are going to take the best player available, and there aren't three players that are better than Murray.
This, Columbus could very well pick Murray. Wiz is not a tremendous top four defenseman and would be better suited as a four or five while quarterbacking the PP. Tyutin is very solid and him and Nikitin have developed nice chemistry but I see them as a three and four. Johnson is their best defenseman right now but other than that they have no shot at a potential number one in the system IMO. If Howson wants to make this team solid for the future they take Murray.
The Isles would never trade Nino to move up 2 spots. He's 19 and was drafted 5th overall 2 years ago. Regardless of what happened this season the Isles are still high on him.
If anything the Isles would probably offer a package of picks, like the 4th pick, a 2nd this year and maybe a 2nd next year. If CBJ is happy with either of Galchenyuk, Forsberg or Grigorenko, I think two 2nd rounders would be a pretty good return to move down 2 spots.
That said I think the Isles will probably just sit tight and take whoever falls to them.
I was looking at the Isle's organization trying to come up with something in the way of player/prospect that might make up the difference from 4 to 2 besides other picks. I couldn't come up with something that I thought would interest CBJ that NYI would be willing to part with.
Conceptually, as regards NYI's possible interest in assuring themselves Murray, it makes sense.
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This, Columbus could very well pick Murray. Wiz is not a tremendous top four defenseman and would be better suited as a four or five while quarterbacking the PP. Tyutin is very solid and him and Nikitin have developed nice chemistry but I see them as a three and four. Johnson is their best defenseman right now but other than that they have no shot at a potential number one in the system IMO. If Howson wants to make this team solid for the future they take Murray.
There's an outside chance Moore or Savard might make it that far, and Wisniewski and JMFJ have shown insane chemistry (they've consistently been a plus pairing when together - no, really, I'm not kidding), but this is probably a fair analysis as is.
Columbus and Montreal might end up trading their pick to another team that needs defence, thereby potentially robbing the Islanders of the chance to get the defenceman they want (if he gets picked by the other team trading into 2nd or 3rd). As such, it might make sense for the Isles to consider sending an incentive to either Columbus or Montreal to get that 2nd or 3rd overall in order to ensure nobody takes the chance away via trade.
So, what do Isles fans think of
To Habs: 2012 1st and 2nd round pick
To Isles: 2012 1st round pick
Do you think the Islanders should consider this in order to ensure they get the guy they want?
Columbus and Montreal might end up trading their pick to another team that needs defence, thereby potentially robbing the Islanders of the chance to get the defenceman they want (if he gets picked by the other team trading into 2nd or 3rd). As such, it might make sense for the Isles to consider sending an incentive to either Columbus or Montreal to get that 2nd or 3rd overall in order to ensure nobody takes the chance away via trade.
So, what do Isles fans think of
To Habs: 2012 1st and 2nd round pick
To Isles: 2012 1st round pick
Do you think the Islanders should consider this in order to ensure they get the guy they want?
"Why are you doing business with Columbus to make this happen? Do business with Montreal instead."
Given that the popular trend is going in favor of Murray over at the CBJ boards, this might not help.
...we can easily have Murray at with our current number 4 spot. If anything, let's say he is gona when we pick, I would trade down and get Rielly or Dumba a couple spots later
LOL@Isles fans thinking Murray will be available at 4. Teams don't draft based on needs in the 1st round, especially not in the top 5. Teams are going to take the best player available, and there aren't three players that are better than Murray.
For the past 3-4 months, I've been posting two things:
1.In this draft there is Nail and then everybody else.There are several players with similar upside,just playing different styles.
At #4 the isles willbe able to land one of Murray/Dumba/Reilly.Any would be potential first pairing defenseman for the isles.
2.I have flip flopped for months over Murray or Dumba.
If those 2 spots cost Nino than Id rather take Dumba at 4.....
Murray would be great but come on now asking for Nino as a throw in is crazy...
At best Columbus would end up with a 2nd round pick. We're talking 2 spots and the Isles will be sitting there looking at Murray or Dumba straight in the face as it is. So it's either Forsberg or Grigorenko/Dumba/Murray and Nino.
CBJ has four established NHL top six d-men along with RFA Nikitin and sophomores Moore & Savard. NYI has three NHL d-men and that's about it -- everyone else will be a UFA on July 1.
Knowing that NYI, in its current state, is not a free agent destination, it would behoove Snow to give up what's reasonable to move up a couple spots to ensure NYI gets Murray, the most NHL ready d-man in this draft.
Columbus and Montreal might end up trading their pick to another team that needs defence, thereby potentially robbing the Islanders of the chance to get the defenceman they want (if he gets picked by the other team trading into 2nd or 3rd). As such, it might make sense for the Isles to consider sending an incentive to either Columbus or Montreal to get that 2nd or 3rd overall in order to ensure nobody takes the chance away via trade.
So, what do Isles fans think of
To Habs: 2012 1st and 2nd round pick
To Isles: 2012 1st round pick
Do you think the Islanders should consider this in order to ensure they get the guy they want?
Nah.Best case scenerio for the NYI 24 hrs ago,was for the isles to win the draft lottery.
2nd best case scenerio for the NYI:have the team in front of them, most likely to draft a defenseman,draft 1st overall.Oilers were the most likely to draft defense among the top three teams.
I doubt either Montreal or Columbus drafts a defenseman.I am very confident sitting at #4.
CBJ has four established NHL top six d-men along with RFA Nikitin and sophomores Moore & Savard. NYI has three NHL d-men and that's about it -- everyone else became a UFA.
Knowing that NYI, in its current state, is not a free agent destination franchise, it would behoove Snow to give up what's reasonable to move up a couple spots to ensure NYI gets Murray, the most NHL ready d-man in this draft.
Isles like how Hamonic and MacDonald are developing in their top 4.
12th overal pick,Cal De Haan, was a rookie at Bridgeport this season.He was named to the all-star team and is a good bet for the NYI roster next season.
AHL rookie Matt Donovan was 8th in scoring among all AHL defensemen.Isles think he has top 4 potential.He'll battle De Haan and Ness for a limited number of open spots this Sept.I've posted that I don't want ANY rookie in the top 4.That would include Murray.
Donovan is the one who excited fans the most,during a cup of coffee call up.
Isles like what Mayfield and Pedan bring:size and toughness.They are each a few yrs away.
My point ? Opposing fans my not be impressed with the NYI blueline prospects,but Snow and his scouts are high on them.Is will happily console themselves with Dumba/Reilly
look at who's available at #4:Murry/Dumba/Reilly.
