Definitely give up on the kid after his 2nd season in NA.
What a clueless comment.
yeah, okay, can we atleast close the books on this Bonsignore character now. I know you probably feel we may be a little too quick pulling the trigger on him.
All these SEL kids come with over inflated tires. Nilsson, Paajarvi,Omark....who's next. Don Cherry was right all along.
If this would be the Oilers thinking, then it would be best to have him trial this in the A. He does has size, speed and defensive reliability, so it would plausable to try him there, that is if there is ever an amnesty buyout for Horcoff that is. Besides didn't Horcoff even play LW until he was ready for a Center role, so it is worth considering.
If this would be the Oilers thinking, then it would be best to have him trial this in the A. He does has size, speed and defensive reliability, so it would plausable to try him there, that is if there is ever an amnesty buyout for Horcoff that is. Besides didn't Horcoff even play LW until he was ready for a Center role, so it is worth considering.
Yes exactly. It would be the Horcoff Project V.2.0.
More worried about PVR's ability to develop some courage to take a hit. Should wait until he becomes an effective NHL regular before we start spitballing ways to throw him out of his comfort zone.
He's not a bust, but this year is very worrisome for his development. It's also looking like a cautionary tale of believing that SEL adaqutely prepares players for NHL play better than the AHL.
I don't think he's a good enough playmaker to play center. I'd rather have him develop at wing, or move to defence. I'd be tempted to move him to defence anyway to force him to take hits, and then move him back to wing.
I think he'll be fine. He's had an awful year, but he'll bounce back and become legit. He scored 15, he'll do it again.
Even more outlandish idea, yet he played the position until about six years ago...
Paajarvi as a D. His skating puts him into another tier already, and while he's not physical, his strong positioning and high (relative to other defensemen) offensive instincts could make it a worthwhile experiment.
Not a bad ideal with that speed ,but what I would really like to see is that they start grooming him for the pk. His speed would really improve the pk and would be such a shorthanded threat for breakaway's But the team cannot give up on him this soon. the guy will definately be a NHL regular to what extent is still to be determined.
Definitely give up on the kid after his 2nd season in NA.
What a clueless comment.
I don't agree that we should give up on MPV however his game needs major work that will not be honed in the NHL. He needs to first ask to have his cajones sent from Sweden, gain some weight, and realize that you are required to participate in the physical aspects of the game playing in the NHL.
I like it. The change might reignite him. Hes a good player, but his confidence has been shot. Mostly due to coaching and management.
I think he should mold himself into a player like Turris. Defensively responsible and because of fast skating he gets back and plays like third d. He has 2 very important tools. Size and speed, the combination of which make him a valuable asset. Definitely too soon to be pulling the plug on him.
I don't think he's a good enough playmaker to play center. I'd rather have him develop at wing, or move to defence. I'd be tempted to move him to defence anyway to force him to take hits, and then move him back to wing.
I think he'll be fine. He's had an awful year, but he'll bounce back and become legit. He scored 15, he'll do it again.
We had Horcoff and Stoll as no.1 and no.2 playmaking centers the year we went to the Cup, and he has better playmaking skills than either one of them.
I don't see him on D though. It's too late in his progression to switch him back there now IMO, too big of a jump. I don't see anything in his game that really suggests he'd be a good d-man anyway aside from speed.
Paajarvi can't even dominate in the AHL, let alone keep his spot on a 29th place NHL team. If anything, he'll need more jam in his game if he moves to center, he doesn't have the jam to even play the wing right now.
It's time to cut bait on this kid.
His point-per-game average puts him just outside the AHL's top 20 scorers over a full season.
Of that top 20, he's also younger than any of them.
More worried about PVR's ability to develop some courage to take a hit. Should wait until he becomes an effective NHL regular before we start spitballing ways to throw him out of his comfort zone.
He's not a bust, but this year is very worrisome for his development. It's also looking like a cautionary tale of believing that SEL adaqutely prepares players for NHL play better than the AHL.
He's shown a lot of that recently. Todd Nelson was talking on one of the radio shows recently of a game a week or so ago where Paajarvi was clipped with a high stick, got stitched up then back out there right away. Very next shift he got rocked but didn't miss a shift and it didn't even faze him.
I think you're way off on that prediction but to each his own but more importantly, I am sure that "a lot of people" would not be at all happy about him being a 30-40 point 3rd liner. In a way you can say that he was that, and did that, as a 19 year old rookie.
On another note (and maybe someone here can help me out on where to look for it?) I am still trying to figure out how many other Swedish rookies at the same age or younger than Paajarvi, who has had a better rookie season than he had. The only one I know (going back about 15 years, using nhl.com) is Landeskog.
Yes, people have short memories. Paajarvi looked like a future 1st liner down the stretch last year. he scored 15 goals as a rookie. He needs top 6 minutes with good players and I believe he will be a good 2nd liner as early as next season.
He's got one of the lowest GA/60 in the league - showing how defensively reliable he's been given the opportunity. I think he could thrive in a more defense-orientated 2C role.
I don't think he's a good enough playmaker to play center. I'd rather have him develop at wing, or move to defence. I'd be tempted to move him to defence anyway to force him to take hits, and then move him back to wing.
I think he'll be fine. He's had an awful year, but he'll bounce back and become legit. He scored 15, he'll do it again.
Do you guys seriously believe he can hack it out as a defenseman? Taylor Chorney can skate like wind too.
We had Horcoff and Stoll as no.1 and no.2 playmaking centers the year we went to the Cup, and he has better playmaking skills than either one of them.
I don't see him on D though. It's too late in his progression to switch him back there now IMO, too big of a jump. I don't see anything in his game that really suggests he'd be a good d-man anyway aside from speed.
Yeah but Horcoff was actually a decent playmaker that season, and Stoll brought more intangibles than Paajarvi does. I see Paajarvi as more effective off the rush, I know he's scored a lot from the middle of the ice, but he's also blown past defencemen down the wing many times, and then floundered the opportunity.
I don't think Paajarvi would work out on D either, I just wish he would become a more physical player. He sure as hell as the body for it. If I was that big and could skate that fast I'd be throwing hits every chance I get. That said, I have confidence that he'll figure it out within the next 3-4 years, and will turn into a very good player, hopefully for the Oil.
Yeah but Horcoff was actually a decent playmaker that season, and Stoll brought more intangibles than Paajarvi does. I see Paajarvi as more effective off the rush, I know he's scored a lot from the middle of the ice, but he's also blown past defencemen down the wing many times, and then floundered the opportunity.
I don't think Paajarvi would work out on D either, I just wish he would become a more physical player. He sure as hell as the body for it. If I was that big and could skate that fast I'd be throwing hits every chance I get. That said, I have confidence that he'll figure it out within the next 3-4 years, and will turn into a very good player, hopefully for the Oil.
It's not really effective though if he's coming off the rush and floundering every opportunity. He doesn't have the hands to finish those kinds of plays. He did wisely adjust his game to take feeds from Omark at the end of last season, if he could do that with Hall/Yakupov/etc. I think that'd work better for us. Let someone else do the heavy lifting in the offensive zone. This guy's made a fortune in his career doing it:
His point-per-game average puts him just outside the AHL's top 20 scorers over a full season.
Of that top 20, he's also younger than any of them.
And you want to cut bait? Umm okay.
Please stop it with these ppg average fictional numbers. If it was a legitimate number the Art Ross would be awarded to the player with the best PPG average. It's isn't, please try and stick with something that is realized, and not fantasy based.
Magnus Paajarvi is Dustin Penner without the drive to go to the net. If you took Penners shot away, you'd be left with Paajarvi.
Unbelievable the number of people that want to dump MPS, it's horrifying actually. Just because some of our top young guys have totally overachieved in their 1st few years does not mean that a 20 year old who had a fine 1st season and poor 2nd one should be dumped.
Even if his offensive game doesn't develop as you'd hope for a 10th overall pick, he can still be a usefull player for years. He's got size, he's good defensively, he's not completely useless in the offensive zone, and he does one thing better than anyone (except maybe Hall), and that's drawing penalties. For a top 3 powerplay in the league that hasn't been getting the opportunities (42 less than last year), you'd have to think that's a pretty important factor.
And that's assuming Paajarvi doesn't pick up his offensive game. If he does (which I think is likely), then he's even more of an asset.
As for moving him to center, it's a very different situation than Horcoff? Horcoff was a center who was moved to the wing when he came to the NHL. Paajarvi is a winger, full stop.
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Please stop it with these ppg average fictional numbers. If it was a legitimate number the Art Ross would be awarded to the player with the best PPG average. It's isn't, please try and stick with something that is realized, and not fantasy based.
Magnus Paajarvi is Dustin Penner without the drive to go to the net. If you took Penners shot away, you'd be left with Paajarvi.
Seeing as Penner played as a rookie at 24 years old I don't really see how this is relevant at all.
At 22 years old Penner played his first season in the AHL and scored 10 goals and 18 assist in 77 games.
Anyway, I don't know why I even bother replying to such an obvious troll.
Paajarvi can't even dominate in the AHL, let alone keep his spot on a 29th place NHL team. If anything, he'll need more jam in his game if he moves to center, he doesn't have the jam to even play the wing right now.
It's time to cut bait on this kid.
Yea, if only Detroit had given up on Datsyuk and Vancouver had given up on the Sedins at that age...
