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34 million minimum just top 6, + another 6 if you acquire a #1 D and 4-5 if you acquire #1 G. That is 45 million on 8 players..... Maybe I'm wrong, but IMO one will have to go.
6-7? Where the hell did those numbers come from lol? If all those guys reach 70-80 points with 30-45 goals. Sure throw that money but I expect 5-7 years under those contracts. If not expect 5-6 millions for 2-4 years.
cap is a reality so sooner or later edmonton will move 1 or 2 of the young guys
even in the days before the cap, teams still moved alot of their young guys when they were trying to put together a winning formula
i mean look at the example of quebec when they drafted lindros, sundin, nolan... 3 hof type guys for sure but all get traded quite early in their careers for players/packages that the team felt made more sense for building a winner with.
my analysist of edmonto is as follows...
all teams need a number 1 line that can go out and win games for you by itself.. and edmonton has that in hopkins/eberle and whoever lines up with them. Preferably get someone with some grit/defense that can still keep up with the play. cap hit is important
second lines dont need to be picture perfect.. but you hope for overmatching the competition with them. hemsky is now signed to an untradable contract so like it or not, he is the starting building block for a second line.
third lines you need someone that can play quality mins... and usually you want someone that can protect leads and play defense while having some attack ability too. Ryan Smyth and Shawn Horcorff seem fine to me as very good third liners even if Horcorff is very overpaid for the role
forth lines you want some energy players... maybe a kid that is getting used to nhl work habits. maybe your goon if you got a soft team. edmonton has plenty of potential 4th liners kicking around starting with eric belanger to be a face off specialist and eager as the goon if hes willing to do his job.
in the midst of all this... there is no perfect spot for pajarvii, or gagner, or hall even if all three are great great talents who obviously would find a spot on the team if they were kept. hall actually has one of those WINNER attitudes so you almost feel like moving heaven and hell to keep him, but his style of play doesnt really mesh well with hemskys. and it might be overkill to have this many super high skilled number 1's all on the same team.
i think edmonton needs a 'culture' change... some new leadership... and a lot more grit. hall might be able to become the new leader but its not as easy for him to do it at his age as it would be if some established vet came in and told hemsky and horcorff that there was a new sheriff in town.
so for me... if i was edmonton... id probably see if columbus was ok with a nash/hall trade. im pretty sure they would be. the idea here is bring in someone with way more experience and also alot more size. and hopefully much better chemistry with hemsky. columbus would need to add to make this deal work but they do have jack johnson there now and fedor tytutin is pretty damn ok too.
i think steve mason is worthy of taking a gamble on for a change of scenery. we see lots of goalies picked off the scrape heap that are way less talented then mason.
so what about a deal of hall/first overall/and parjarvii for nash/johnson/tytutin/mason and columbus first next year
edmonton pretty much becomes a cup contender instantly and still has enough youth to be good for the next decade
columbus gets hall/yakubov/parjarvii/gregorenko to build around and hope to convince their fans that this new build will be much better then their last one
There's a lot more wrong out here than just the water. Trust me. Rain. Housing prices. Canuck fans.
But I figure that's what it would probably cost to get Edmonton to consider it.
Hall is something special - and it's just fantastic to watch him play.
(although those injuries are beginning to concern)
Hall would not net Rask AND Hamilton.
Thats like saying Seguin to Edmonton for RNH AND Hall.
Hopkins looks like a stud and Eberle is already an elite winger.
I love what the Oilers are building. Draft Yakupov (unless a team completely blows Tambo away w an elite dman). In a few short years these kids will start putting together some wins, which in my opinion will attract top UFA's. IF not, at that point MAYBE the Oilers deal one of the kids away for defensive help. But no chance the B's give up a potential franchise dman (Hamilton) who's 6'5" and a RH shot, & a soon to be franchise goalie (Rask) for Hall. Despite how good Hall is, he is a LW, the Bruins already have Lucic & Marchand as their top LW's and they are more than adequate.
If Hall didn't get hurt so damn much I'd feel a lOt better about his future. I love his style of play and drive. But sometimes he plays too simple, just like Matt Duchene does for us, it seems like the kid sometimes forgets that his speed is what's elite for the NHL, not his power, for Dutchy it's the Forsbergian spins, for Hall it's how he doesn't duck contact and trying to skate through people he could just fly around. Hopefully it's a coincidence that both got banged up a lot this year since I think both will be exceptional once they figure out how to really best utilize their skills.
Can't trade a guy that makes as much offense as he does.
Has a nose for the net.
And brings 100% effort to every game.
Can't imagine the team without him, irreplacable.
But this thread still brings interesting offers, just nothing that would actually happen.
Schenn (Future Scott Stevens) + Kadri (Future Steve Yzerman)
for
Hall (second liner)
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Originally Posted by CupofOil
No, Cowen and a 2nd for Hall is not close. NOT AT ALL.
For that matter, a lot of the proposals in this thread don't come close to hitting the mark.
Think on the level of Pietrangelo's importance in St. Louis, Tavares on the Islanders, Seguin on the Bruins etc.
I think you grossly underrate Cowen. He tops out as a (slightly) poorer man's Chara a few years from now.
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Musil +2nd for Karlsson. Meets both teams needs.
That is absolutely ridiculous. If you realistically think that Musil is anywhere near the stratosphere that Cowen and especially Karlsson are, then I truly feel sorry for you.
If you are going to post a sarcastic counterproposal, try to make the pieces you are putting into it the same valuewise as the one you are replying to.
If anyone in here thinks Hall even has a 1% chance of being traded go ahead and watch Tambellini's end of year press conference and halls garbage bag day interview.
kid is a accident from ending his career, sometimes I wonder if he doesnt know how to skate, as he flies head first into almost every place on the ice...
Nuge is runner up to the Calder at worst and did it playing 20 less games than the other guy. He outscored Seguin's rookie year (very similar players IMO) despite being physically less ready and again... 20 games less.
Hamilton had a solid development year after being drafted at #7... 0 NHL games... hardly a sure thing as a top pair in the NHL
kid is a accident from ending his career, sometimes I wonder if he doesnt know how to skate, as he flies head first into almost every place on the ice...
Taylor Hall
Devan Dubnyk
Marincin/Klefblom/Teubert
If Hall had a remote chance of being traded (at this point he doesnt), the Bs and Oilers might be good partners.
I don't think we'd hang up the phone... but the problems are:
1) I'd be more likely to consider it for Yakupov
2) Even if I agree the delta between Hall and Hamilton is balanced by the delta between Rask and Dubnyk,... why am I trading any of Marincin, Klefbom or Teubert (ok, maybe teubert) for a 2nd rounder? I wouldnt trade either of the first two for your 1st
The Oilers don't need to trade one of their top young talent, even if they're all making 6-7m. The Rangers have Gaborik 7.5, Richards 6.6, and Lundqvist at 6.875 against the cap. And we all know the rumors for Nash and Parise(although with the Devils doing so well, I'm even more convinced that he'll stay in NJ) coming to NY. That's another big contract that the Rangers may add and they'll be fine in terms of cap space.
As long as the Oilers end up finding some key, solid players in the draft that can step in eventually on the back end, they'll be fine. I don't know much about their farm system, so I don't even know if they have any good prospects on D that are almost NHL ready. And if they do, their defense will become better without having to give up their big 4. The Rangers have one of the best defenses in the league and their highest paid player is Staal making 3.975m.
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