Now heres an idea, apparently if edmonton drafts yakupov they may not be willing to give smyth the money e wants as they wont need him in there top 6. We have 3 top 6 lines in buffalo and could use smyth on that 3rd line instead of tropp. Thoughts?
Now heres an idea, apparently if edmonton drafts yakupov they may not be willing to give smyth the money e wants as they wont need him in there top 6. We have 3 top 6 lines in buffalo and could use smyth on that 3rd line instead of tropp. Thoughts?
Thoughts .... No.
I'd rather give Troop a carrot and have him earn the spot out of camp. Bring in young blood, they've been generally impressive. No need for Smyth, especially with the depth we have in Rochester.
So in the hockey news they have a pick your new team section that asks questions and determines which team you should like. To get buffalo you need to not want your team to be an established winner, want a passionate crowd, want a team that doesnt have a cup winning tradition, and prefer finesse players to gritty players
So in the hockey news they have a pick your new team section that asks questions and determines which team you should like. To get buffalo you need to not want your team to be an established winner, want a passionate crowd, want a team that doesnt have a cup winning tradition, and prefer finesse players to gritty players
It's possible that Pegula bucks can woo one of those players to Buffalo.
It's not that difficult to understand.
Sure its possible, not tryig to be a debbie downer but to expect the sabres to land the top 2 UFAs is pretty unrealisic, especially when Suter has no connections to Buffalo and Parise only connection is Stafford, not to menton that many other teams have rich owners its not just Pegula.
True, but Pegula's not the only one who can do that.
Let's recall all the penciling of Richards into the lineups last year. I get where he's coming from--it shouldn't be expected that it will happen.
I don't think people are expecting it to happen.
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Sure its possible, not tryig to be a debbie downer but to expect the sabres to land the top 2 UFAs is pretty unrealisic, especially when Suter has no connections to Buffalo and Parise only connection is Stafford, not to menton that many other teams have rich owners its not just Pegula.
Yeah, I get it. That doesn't change that it's entirely plausible. Both players would fill needs. I liken this thread to the "trade proposal thread" from earlier in the year. It's essentially an off-season moves thread.
These things can happen. They're unlikely - speculating about them is fine.
Sure its possible, not tryig to be a debbie downer but to expect the sabres to land the top 2 UFAs is pretty unrealisic, especially when Suter has no connections to Buffalo and Parise only connection is Stafford, not to menton that many other teams have rich owners its not just Pegula.
They landed the top UFA D-man last year. People tend to forget that because they had to trade for the rights.
I think it's entirely possible to land either Parise or Suter...just not both.
I'd like to get responses for a different question though. In general, what do posters here think Buffalo is in more need of, a top forward or a top d-man?
I tend to think Regier would look at forward, not just with our long-time desire for a top center, but the fact that Buffalo had such a hard time scoring (finishing chances) this past season. OTOH, even though we have depth on defense coming up the ranks, I doubt any of those players (McNabb, Brennan, Pysyk) are game-changers and the d-corps keeps faltering every time one or two players lose time from injury.
So what do people think is a bigger need, imapct forward or impact d-man?
They landed the top UFA D-man last year. People tend to forget that because they had to trade for the rights.
They signed 2 european players who were likely just looking for the top dollar with a good team. I hope that Suter re-signs in Nashville tbh because I doubt we win with Minnesota, Vancouver, Philly, Nashville, and others in the hunt, I would give Parise much better chances of signing here than Suter.
Trades:
Derek Roy to WSH for 1st (COL pick #11) in 2012
Leopold to NYI for 2nd in 2013
Weber and Gerbe dealt for mid/late round picks (Weber could also be placed on waivers and put in AHL)
Re-signings:
RFA
Ennis - 3yr/$3 mil per
Kaleta - 2yr/$1,002,500 per
Brennan and Szczechura also re-signed
UFA
Sulzer - 1yr/$850,000
Leggio and Stuart also re-signed
UFA signings:
Jarret Stoll - 2 or 3yr/$3,250,000 per (this could also be Chris Kelly for the same deal)
Brandon Prust - 3yr/$1,200,000 per
Zenon Konopka - 1yr/$950,000
Matt Carkner - 1yr/$900,000
Roster:
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.667m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Tyler Ennis ($3.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Ville Leino ($4.500m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.250m) / Corey Tropp ($0.700m)
Brandon Prust ($1.200m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.950m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.003m)
Cody McCormick ($1.200m) / Matt Ellis ($0.525m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Tyler Myers ($5.500m)
Brayden McNabb ($0.900m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Matt Carkner ($0.900m)
Alexander Sulzer ($0.850m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m)
Jhonas Enroth ($0.675m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,182,273; BONUSES: $1,245,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,117,727
Thoughts on the roster:
* Stoll could be replaced by Kelly here and I don't think there would be many quarls or the roster would be that much worse. I like Stoll better due to his size and FO ability. Combined with Konopka we can afford to be patient with Ennis and Hodgson and their FO %.
* Pominville and Tropp could swap lines if need be. Pominville on the 3rd line there could effectively cause Stoll and Leino to put up higher point totals and that line wouldn't miss a beat defensively. We also saw the kind of spark Tropp put in with Vanek and CoHo. It's all about chemistry, so find the best fit for each.
* Reason I like Tropp on the 3rd line is that I think it allows each player to be more physical on that line. It allows Leino to play a much more aggressive game, something I would like to see. Who knows though Tropp isn't inept offensively and could grow someday into a Burrows/Hartnell type if playing with top talent.
* As far as the 4th line goes, I want big goons. I want guys that will agitate, step up when needed and hit. Wear the opposition down and force them to take dumb penalties. We need to get bigger, and we are on the way. These moves put on over the top and build a nice bottom 6. If Konopka performs and Kaleta stays healthy they could be looking at multi year deals.
* Carkner is a 3rd pairing guy who plays a tough defensive game and has size. He could be the 7th while Sulzer steps in or Weber is still on the team who knows. We have flexibility when it comes to our 6/7 guy this year.
* Now why aren't we going after the BIG UFA's?
Well unless Vanek is dealt we just don't have the cap room for it (we don't know what happens to the cap with the new CBA). If Vanek is dealt then we have a huge hole at offense so Parise would have to be the target then. We just aren't getting Suter and to be honest I think we can get an option just as good next year that will be cheaper.
*So go after FA's in 2013. Once Regehr's deal is up we then have the room to go after guys such as Alex Edler (personal favorite), Tobias Enstrom and Marc-Edourad Vlasic.
Other options that tie into next years UFA class is the 3rd line center. We could hold off on a Stoll/Kelly and sign a old vet to a one year deal. A spot is then open the following year to possibly go after the very high end players like Getzlaf. I prefer to build a bottom 6 however and let Ennis and Hodgson develop further, I have faith in those two.
Draft (shakes down like this):
1. EDM Yakupov
2. CLB Murrary
3. MTL Grigorenko
4. NYI Forsberg
5. TOR Galchenyuk
6. ANA Teravainen (first surprise pick)
7. MIN Reinhart
8. CAR Faksa
9. WIN Dumba
10. TB Reilly
11. Jacob Trouba (RD) - With the luxury of an extra pick we can afford to take a Dman here. I think a RH is preferred (could also be Ceci and I wouldn't have a problem with Reinhart here either) to me here because I believe that Pysyk is going to be trade bait soon. Essentially when Trouba is ready our Defense could look like this:
Edler - Myers
McNabb - Ehrhoff
Sekera - Trouba
We would be set at D for years.
12. Zemgus Girgensons (C) - He just has more upside than Gaunce in my opinion. I saw Gaunce albit only once and he just did not sit right with me. Gaunce looks like he is skating with cement bricks for feet, actually the guy kind of reminds me of Luke Adam with a slightly bigger build. Girgensons has a relentless motor and that is something I want. Guy can easily be a shut down #3C and has more offensive upside than Gaunce. Once he fills out I have no doubt he will be a good player and h will be getting alot of time to develop in the NCAA. He could be ready in 2 or 3 years, around the same time Stoll's contract runs out so Girgensons could step right in.
26. Stefan Matteau (C/LW) - This guy is a bull. Never seen him play, but I like what I hear from the scouting reports. He just hits and hits, while no slouch offensively. With Foligno working so well on the wing I think we should continue this size on the wings trend and Matteau would certainly help. He is a bit undisiplined like Marcus was but that as we've seen can obviously be fixed. He is going to the Q so his point production could see a bit of a spike. If his offensive numbers and potential come through I think you are looking at another Charlie Coyle type.
44. Scott Laughton (C) - Another hard worker. If given the proper time to develop he could be a good one.
46. Lukas Sutter (C) - Once again a center picked here. Build the depth, they can always be converted to winger if need be, as proof by recent teams like PHI, BOS, and NYR. Sutter is a big kid who loves to hit and would be a great addition to the Bottom 6.
End Note:
* By the time 2014 rolls around we could lose Vanek and Pominville. By that time Armia should be ready to step in as well as a guy like Matteau or any other draft picks/FA's signed. Leino could be moved by then as well. I think this type off season is the kind that will prepare for the "culture change" that so many talk about. A team is built that can grow together and count on each other, one that we want to see. It's a step in the right direction.
They signed 2 european players who were likely just looking for the top dollar with a good team. I hope that Suter re-signs in Nashville tbh because I doubt we win with Minnesota, Vancouver, Philly, Nashville, and others in the hunt, I would give Parise much better chances of signing here than Suter.
Trades:
Derek Roy to WSH for 1st (COL pick #11) in 2012
Leopold to NYI for 2nd in 2013
Weber and Gerbe dealt for mid/late round picks (Weber could also be placed on waivers and put in AHL)
The CBA uncertainty kills the trade value of guys with 1 year remaining on their deals because teams are afraid of losing the season to a lockout. Until that's resolved the only way Roy fetches a #1 pick is if he agrees to an extension with his new team. I think this is going to put a damper on trade activity at the draft.
The point is euro's seem to go to money as there first priority, I dont think Suter or Parise will, more than a handfull of teams can match the Sabres offer for any of them.
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The CBA uncertainty kills the trade value of guys with 1 year remaining on their deals because teams are afraid of losing the season to a lockout. Until that's resolved the only way Roy fetches a #1 pick is if he agrees to an extension with his new team. I think this is going to put a damper on trade activity at the draft.
I had never thought about how the CBA would affect trades. That is a good point. Outside of trading the FA rights to a player and signing them, has there ever been a sign and trade type deal in the NHL like you see with MLB? I can't remember any, so they must not be very common.
The point is it is alot easier to convince a European to come play in a different City that it is a North American player, look around the league in recent years the europeans seem to take money as there 1st priority. A guy like Suter or Parise will likely not have money as the main factor, I am done with this Suter to Buffalo stuff because it is not going to happen. People think because we got Ehrhoff and Leino that guys like Suter and Parise will magically come to buffalo? all I am saying is you are setting yourself up for failure.
I would argue the bolded is a pretty ignorant comment that paints European players as mercenaries with little loyalty but to the almighty dollar. The two UFAs we signed (Ehrhoff/Leino) wanted to stay in their respective cities but their teams decided not to meet their contract demands and spent their money elsewhere. No different than when Briere left here or any other NHL player whose team decides to let them hit the open market. Happens all the time.
You're also comparing apples to oranges. We didn't have to convince Ehrhoff or Leino to "change" cities. The cities they played for had already decided to move on without them. So they were looking for a new place to play. You also have no idea what Parise or Suter are thinking or what their motivating factor will be.
Which part of Europe is Brad Richards from? You remember Brad. You know, the guy who hosted GMs at his agents office so they could kiss his ass and beg him to play for them. Something that actually fits the stereotype you're putting out there.
Btw I'm not one of the posters arguing that either is coming here.
I would argue the bolded is a pretty ignorant comment that paints European players as mercenaries with little loyalty but to the almighty dollar. The two UFAs we signed (Ehrhoff/Leino) wanted to stay in their respective cities but their teams decided not to meet their contract demands. No different than when Briere left here or any other NHL player whose team decides to let them hit the open market. Happens all the time.
You're also comparing apples to oranges. We didn't have to convince Ehrhoff or Leino to "change" cities. The cities they played for had already decided to move on without them. So they were looking for a new place to play. You also have no idea what Parise or Suter are thinking or what their motivating factor will be.
Which part of Europe is Brad Richards from? You remember Brad. You know, the guy who hosted GMs at his agents office so they could kiss his ass and beg him to play for them. SOmething that actually fits the stereotype you're putting out there.
Btw I'm not one of the posters arguing that either is coming here.
That is kinda my point, that players like Suter and Parise will not always take the most money and would prefer to play in a city like New York, where as a player like Leino or Ehrhoff will likely take the more money, and neither were pushed out the door as both were IIRC offered more than fair contracts from there respective teams and decided to test UFA.
I am not commenting on this fantasy NHL 12 stuff any further.
That is kinda my point, that players like Suter and Parise will not always take the most money and would prefer to play in a city like New York, where as a player like Leino or Ehrhoff will likely take the more money, and neither were pushed out the door as both were IIRC offered more than fair contracts from there respective teams and decided to test UFA.
I am not commenting on this fantasy NHL 12 stuff any further.
Woah wait a minute. You can't throw an ignorant ass opinion out there and then hide behind the bolded.
Maybe I need to restate that I'm not a poster that thinks either is coming here or has argued that they will. So lets get that false arguement for you to hide behind out of the way.
You fail to see the fundamental flaw in your "logic" (I'm being kind). Which is saying that Europeans' just go for money and are easier to pry out of cities. Do you really need me to list all the European players that have stayed in the cities they were in instead of going into the UFA market? Who are all of these European players "pried out" of other cities.
Btw your so bllinded by your ignorance on this topic that you don't even realize that Brad Richards was actually "pried out" of another city, Dallas. Or that every player that leaves their team in free agency is being "pried away" (based on your definition).
There was absolutely nothing different between Richards leaving Dallas than Ehrhoff and Leino leaving their respective cities. Actually thats not entirely true since Ehrhoff's team trade his rights away.
Antoine Vermette... went for a 2nd and 4th round pick.... ugh... 3 playoff goals and 57% on faceoffs...
Yes because we need another 40 point forward for signed long term at 3.75 million.
Vermette would probably have meant ennis stays at wings. Meaning we wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. On top of that we couldn't have fit him under the cap in december.
Woah wait a minute. You can't throw an ignorant ass opinion out there and then hide behind the bolded.
Maybe I need to restate that I'm not a poster that thinks either is coming here or has argued that they will. So lets get that false arguement for you to hide behind out of the way.
You fail to see the fundamental flaw in your "logic" (I'm being kind). Which is saying that Europeans' just go for money and are easier to pry out of cities. Do you really need me to list all the European players that have stayed in the cities they were in instead of going into the UFA market? Who are all of these European players "pried out" of other cities.
Btw your so bllinded by your ignorance on this topic that you don't even realize that Brad Richards was actually "pried out" of another city, Dallas. Or that every player that leaves their team in free agency is being "pried away" (based on your definition).
There was absolutely nothing different between Richards leaving Dallas than Ehrhoff and Leino leaving their respective cities. Actually thats not entirely true since Ehrhoff's team trade his rights away.
seems like you are reading my opinion wrong or I never worded it right, I wasent talking about you when I said the NHL 12 fantasy stuff. How is there nothing different between Richards leaving and Ehrhoff leaving? Ehrhoff was offered a contract around 5 million IIRC and Richards was never offered a contract from Dallas because of there ownership issues. Remember this is my opinion and I believe that it will be tougher to lure a guy like Suter to Buffalo than Leino, or Ehrhoff.
I never said all Europeans chase the money I said they seem to go for money as a main priority(there is nothing wrong with that)
