Figured they need a #2 center, and someone to take the load of JT and add a 2nd scoring line, Roy does that for them, maybe I'm wrong, but if I were the Islanders, I'd probably at least look at it... Also used some Darth Regier VooDoo on Garth Snow.
They do have Strome who should be a full-timer next season...
Regier loves adding vet toughness just as the player's career is beginning to regress (See Rivet, Craig; Regehr, Robyn). For that reason, I expect him to pursue Brenden Morrow. Morrow is coming off an injury-riddled season in which he scored 26 pts in 57 games. He has one more year on his contract at $4.1m--and you know Regier loves guys who have cap hits around $4m. Many Stars fans think the leadership mantle is being handed over to Eriksson and Benn, anyways, so Morrow's time in Dallas may be coming to a close.
I'm not sure what Dallas would want in return--they could use a right-handed winger (though I don't think we're moving Staff or Poms) and their prospect pool is very weak--and Morrow has a NTC, but I wouldn't be surprised if we are connected to Morrow this summer. Everyone will be clamoring for guys like Brown and Clowe--no kidding--but someone like Morrow seems more likely.
i put forth the premise of 1 simple thing.... you need to distort it now... because you are beginning to look like the nin come poop who wouldnt trade roy for igninla
my premise:
roy for iginla
yes or no
I would say no for one reason:
The Sabres likely could get a late 2013 1st round pick for Roy at the trade deadline.
I wouldn't trade a late 2013 1st rounder for Iginla.
I'm guessing that Calgary will want way more for Iginla than I'd be willing to part with. They likely want another Nieuwy for Iginla type deal (say Armia for Iginla) and I'd want no part of that.
Regier loves adding vet toughness just as the player's career is beginning to regress (See Rivet, Craig; Regehr, Robyn). For that reason, I expect him to pursue Brenden Morrow. Morrow is coming off an injury-riddled season in which he scored 26 pts in 57 games. He has one more year on his contract at $4.1m--and you know Regier loves guys who have cap hits around $4m. Many Stars fans think the leadership mantle is being handed over to Eriksson and Benn, anyways, so Morrow's time in Dallas may be coming to a close.
I'm not sure what Dallas would want in return--they could use a right-handed winger (though I don't think we're moving Staff or Poms) and their prospect pool is very weak--and Morrow has a NTC, but I wouldn't be surprised if we are connected to Morrow this summer. Everyone will be clamoring for guys like Brown and Clowe--no kidding--but someone like Morrow seems more likely.
This is an interesting thought. Morrow, I think, still has a bit to offer as a player.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a guy like Brown brought in, either, considering we were linked to him in the days approaching the trade deadine.
Adding leaders like Brown and Morrow would be great for some of our younger guys like Ennis and Hodgson. I would even consider adding Arnott to anchor the third line if St. Louis lets him walk and he doesn't hang 'em up.
Players of that ilk are sorely needed in this organization.
This is an interesting thought. Morrow, I think, still has a bit to offer as a player.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a guy like Brown brought in, either, considering we were linked to him in the days approaching the trade deadine.
Adding leaders like Brown and Morrow would be great for some of our younger guys like Ennis and Hodgson. I would even consider adding Arnott to anchor the third line if St. Louis lets him walk and he doesn't hang 'em up.
Players of that ilk are sorely needed in this organization.
Given new ownership in Dallas that is more open to spending, I wonder if they will shop Morrow, who is their captain, this off season.
The same goes for the Kings who did make the playoffs. If they upset the Canucks, I doubt they would go through a big shake up in the off season. And trading away a captain like Brown would be a sizable shake up.
Given new ownership in Dallas that is more open to spending, I wonder if they will shop Morrow, who is their captain, this off season.
The same goes for the Kings who did make the playoffs. If they upset the Canucks, I doubt they would go through a big shake up in the off season. And trading away a captain like Brown would be a sizable shake up.
Valid points.
-Ownership may be more open to spending, but they also may want a fresh look to their organization.
-I agree with your point on Brown. Contrarily, if they lose to the Canucks, I would be surprised at all to see Brown traded and Richards handed the reigns to the organization. Haven't there been grumblings of a locker-room rift in leadership?
I would say no for one reason:
The Sabres likely could get a late 2013 1st round pick for Roy at the trade deadline.
I wouldn't trade a late 2013 1st rounder for Iginla.
I'm guessing that Calgary will want way more for Iginla than I'd be willing to part with. They likely want another Nieuwy for Iginla type deal (say Armia for Iginla) and I'd want no part of that.
You would get much more then a late 1st for Iginla at the deadline
There are only 2 scenarios if you make this trade at the draft
You go to the playoffs with Iginla (instead of Roy)
You trade Iginla at the deadline (much higher return then Roy)
There is no "realistic" aspect of this trade.
It was really meant to point out the limits of the "i dont want to trade centers for wingers argument".... it was supposed to be a no brainer. OF COURSE you would trade Roy for Iginla in fantasy land.
there's a certain poster who would trade Roy for Mcneil, but not Roy for Iginla... which becomes more comical, the more it is defended.
Regier loves adding vet toughness just as the player's career is beginning to regress (See Rivet, Craig; Regehr, Robyn). For that reason, I expect him to pursue Brenden Morrow. Morrow is coming off an injury-riddled season in which he scored 26 pts in 57 games. He has one more year on his contract at $4.1m--and you know Regier loves guys who have cap hits around $4m. Many Stars fans think the leadership mantle is being handed over to Eriksson and Benn, anyways, so Morrow's time in Dallas may be coming to a close.
I'm not sure what Dallas would want in return--they could use a right-handed winger (though I don't think we're moving Staff or Poms) and their prospect pool is very weak--and Morrow has a NTC, but I wouldn't be surprised if we are connected to Morrow this summer. Everyone will be clamoring for guys like Brown and Clowe--no kidding--but someone like Morrow seems more likely.
Honestly, the guy I would love to have is someone like a Brandon Sutter from Carolina. Big, young, good attitude/leadership, shows some skill but is very proficient defensively. Exactly the kind of guy we need to play behind Ennis/Hodgson for the long term. Colin Wilson, Ryan O'Reilly (I know he's on a different level, but I'd love to have him) are two others I'd like us to possibly get, but I believe that if they move Roy, the best way to get value would be to trade him to a center-starved team for a winger, and then move Vanek for a center, allowing us to maximize value on another teams positions of weakness. And then to find that 3rd-line type guy for the future we could use one of our two 1st rounders to get that guy (Girgensons/Gaunce).
I could see them doing something like Vanek and Adam/Gerbe/Tropp to Colorado for Stastny and McGinn. It'd be a trade where each team moves a big salary player and a young player, but at different positions, so that Buffalo would get the experienced centerman, Colorado the winger, and then Buffalo would get a young winger, and Colorado would get a young player. I don't know if they'd do this, or if Buffalo would, but it seems like the starting point for a deal.
If we did do that, our center position wouldn't be miles better, but I'd take Stastny over Roy for sure.
It also makes Roy totally expendable, and could move him to a team for a winger instead of a center, which is one reason I believe he hasn't been dealt/doesn't have very good value, because Darcy has been trying to swap him for a veteran NHL centerman. Guys that come to mind to deal him for are, Kyle Okposo, Mason Raymond, Patric Hornqvist, Cal Clutterbuck, MPS, Brendan Morrow, Umberger, Viktor Stalberg, Troy Brouwer, Andrew Ladd, or, Jame's personal favorite, Iginla. Now, I realize that some of these clubs would have to add to a deal including some of the above listed wingers in order to get Roy, and none (besides Iginla, even at his age) are elite, but a lot of these guys add things we need on the roster, mainly size/physical play, at least most.
The more I listen to Black say Regier and Ruff are staying, and the more I hear from the players (specifically Roy, and what we've seen between Ruff and Vanek), I think at least Roy will get moved, if not Vanek as well.
Then if necessary, move Leopold for picks/prospects to save the cap space and either let McNabb/Weber/etc. battle for the last spot, or sign a veteran free agent.
You would get much more then a late 1st for Iginla at the deadline
There are only 2 scenarios if you make this trade at the draft
You go to the playoffs with Iginla (instead of Roy)
You trade Iginla at the deadline (much higher return then Roy)
There is no "realistic" aspect of this trade.
It was really meant to point out the limits of the "i dont want to trade centers for wingers argument".... it was supposed to be a no brainer. OF COURSE you would trade Roy for Iginla in fantasy land.
there's a certain poster who would trade Roy for Mcneil, but not Roy for Iginla... which becomes more comical, the more it is defended.
I have a feeling that the Sabres would give Iginla an extension soon after a trade and therefore the trade Iginla at the deadline option isn't there.
Plus, if Iginla retains his NMC after a trade here, would he OK a deal at the deadline?
In the fantasy world of just having Roy or Iginla for next year, I'd take Iginla. But, I didn't look at it that way.
-Ownership may be more open to spending, but they also may want a fresh look to their organization.
-I agree with your point on Brown. Contrarily, if they lose to the Canucks, I would be surprised at all to see Brown traded and Richards handed the reigns to the organization. Haven't there been grumblings of a locker-room rift in leadership?
Morrow is a blood and guts type leader. I doubt they want to rid themselves of that. But, you never know.
Bigger is better
Change is good
Take on a contract, move out a contract
No one other than Suter/Doan should be given a contract beyond 3 years 10 million.
Picks coming in should be for players should be for 2013, unless we are just moving up in the draft.
Bigger is better
Change is good
Take on a contract, move out a contract
No one other than Suter/Doan should be given a contract beyond 3 years 10 million.
Picks coming in should be for players should be for 2013, unless we are just moving up in the draft.
agreed.
I'd like to add:
You CAN'T just add / put new pieces around the core... there needs to be a shakeup, and since it is not coming upstairs or behind the bench, it MUST come from the roster
of course this is coming from someone who thinks Vanek is practically untradeable, and Derek Roy isn't going anywhere with Regier/Ruff still around
Bigger is better
Change is good
Take on a contract, move out a contract No one other than Suter/Doan should be given a contract beyond 3 years 10 million.
Picks coming in should be for players should be for 2013, unless we are just moving up in the draft.
Colin Wilson is neither good defensively, nor proven as a center (he played wing all year)
Not that I am against acquiring him... but to acquire him and slot him as a defensive center is misguided at best
Only reason he was playing wing this year was to get him top 6 mins. He is a center and I think with Pomminville and Lieno he would be a good match. Yeah I know hes not the best defensively but his size and grit can help shutdown other teams top lines.
I keep trying to come up with the prefect 3rd line shutdown center that can still put in 15-20 goals that could be available... its hard lol
I wouldnt Mind trying to Sign Kelly to play that role.
I wish there was a way we could get Legwand out of Nashville without overpaying but that wont happen.
Bolland out of Chicago would be nice.
Umberger if he can play center anymore would be a good one too
Sutter from Carolina but would prolly cost to much
Dubinsky could be an option not sure how much hes been playing center lately.
Only reason he was playing wing this year was to get him top 6 mins. He is a center and I think with Pomminville and Lieno he would be a good match. Yeah I know hes not the best defensively but his size and grit can help shutdown other teams top lines.
by what measure do you think he is a center?
I don't really think of him as a physical/gritty player... i mean if Colin Wilson is gritty, then Drew Stafford is a downright beast
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I keep trying to come up with the prefect 3rd line shutdown center that can still put in 15-20 goals that could be available... its hard lol
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I wouldnt Mind trying to Sign Kelly to play that role.
I wish there was a way we could get Legwand out of Nashville without overpaying but that wont happen.
I like Kelly, Legwand isn't going anywhere
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Bolland out of Chicago would be nice.
Roy for Bolland? YES PLEASE
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Umberger if he can play center anymore would be a good one too
No thanks
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Sutter from Carolina but would prolly cost to much
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Dubinsky could be an option not sure how much hes been playing center lately.
