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04-11-2012, 06:23 PM
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Why does everyone keep bringing youth into this? Our youth had nothing to do with us missing the playoffs. Our youth is actually the reason Washington isn't picking #1 in the draft. We missed the playoffs because:

- Even after rebuilding the defense, they still had no idea where they were supposed to be positionally all year

- The grinder's paradise that has been established here is devoid of any sort of creativity when it comes to scoring. They just shoot the puck right into the chest of the goalie a lot.

- Our two "Star" players aren't Star players.

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You can't give a coach a 1 year contract. It would completely ruin his authority over the team. A 1 year contract says you will be back, but if you start 0-4 you are gone. A team could easily turn on a coach in a situation like that. With two years, if you have to fire him after year 1 or midway through the season, you are only paying out one extra year.
Get the f out of here. Then slap yourself a few times and don't come back until you're ready to wield a torch and a pitchfork!

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I would take Sacco over Nolan. There's a reason why Nolan will never coach in the NHL again.
lmao that gif is EPIC

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If we get a competent defensive coach when Lefebvre leaves I'll consider living with this move.

But I am really concerned Sacco will do irreversable damage to some young guys with his random benching technique.

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To me this sais that the avs obviously believe sacco is not the problem and that the low salary is the problem, im expecting them to spend this year

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I wonder if they caught Grigorenko's phantom tweet. But we need some go to talent on O and D.

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Can we please stop with the "Youngest team in the league" crap. It's a lame excuse for their poor play. They are a whopping 5 months younger than Nashville, 8 months younger than NY Rangers, 11 months younger than the Kings, and 14 months younger than St. Louis.

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Why does everyone keep bringing youth into this? Our youth had nothing to do with us missing the playoffs. Our youth is actually the reason Washington isn't picking #1 in the draft. We missed the playoffs because:

- Even after rebuilding the defense, they still had no idea where they were supposed to be positionally all year

- The grinder's paradise that has been established here is devoid of any sort of creativity when it comes to scoring. They just shoot the puck right into the chest of the goalie a lot.

- Our two "Star" players aren't Star players.

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The front office have better information than the fan base about what Sacco does well and what he doesn't do well. The players seem to like Sacco. Hopefully Sherman & Co made the right call here.

In the end it is a result driven business. Avs need to make the playoffs next year or the coach should be replaced. The promises of future success card was used this year and can't be in play.

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I wonder if they caught Grigorenko's phantom tweet. But we need some go to talent on O and D.
I think they've known for a minute that Roy was going to Montreal, thus the Dater "speculation" and the quick extension.

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Can we please stop with the "Youngest team in the league" crap. It's a lame excuse for their poor play. They are a whopping 5 months younger than Nashville, 8 months younger than NY Rangers, 11 months younger than the Kings, and 14 months younger than St. Louis.
Nashville and the Rangers are not coming off recent rebuilding. Kings have been done of their rebuild for a few seasons now, yet they're only in the 8th seed, St.Louis is the exception. But you look at our top players and they`re all only early 20 years old with no veteran leadership. So it`s a completely valid example of their poor play. IMO making the playoffs would have been gravy for the season, they`re just coming off the rebuild and the fact that they`re this close this fast is good news for the future, chill out.

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Can we please stop with the "Youngest team in the league" crap. It's a lame excuse for their poor play. They are a whopping 5 months younger than Nashville, 8 months younger than NY Rangers, 11 months younger than the Kings, and 14 months younger than St. Louis.
The players who are going to get it done are young as a group. Significantly younger than Rangers, Kings and Blues. In the same way those teams matured into good teams, Avs have to do the same.

I do agree that youth is an excuse for the coach. If the coach can't get mileage out of a young core, get someone who can.

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The front office have better information than the fan base about what Sacco does well and what he doesn't do well. The players seem to like Sacco. Hopefully Sherman & Co made the right call here.

In the end it is a result driven business. Avs need to make the playoffs next year or the coach should be replaced. The promises of future success card was used this year and can't be in play.
The front office may know more but they have made bad calls before. Couldn't careless if the players like him, he's still a bad coach. I'm probably Sherman's biggest fan but I don't see how he made the right call here. I haven't seen anything from Sacco, for me to say he's a capable coach. From his distribution of ice time, tactics, adjustments in game and how he uses certain players, he's just a bad coach.

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Why does everyone keep bringing youth into this? Our youth had nothing to do with us missing the playoffs. Our youth is actually the reason Washington isn't picking #1 in the draft. We missed the playoffs because:

- Even after rebuilding the defense, they still had no idea where they were supposed to be positionally all year

- The grinder's paradise that has been established here is devoid of any sort of creativity when it comes to scoring. They just shoot the puck right into the chest of the goalie a lot.

- Our two "Star" players aren't Star players.
This is true, except I have to say that being the youngest team in the NHL did have something to do with missing the playoffs but only because there wasn't a leader to provide much needed leadership on and off the ice.

With a veteran true captain and a leader things could of been different.

Hejduk as a captain was just wrong. He didn't provide anything on or off the ice for this team.

1 goal in what? Couple of months or so, and a quiet guy who doesn't say much unless asked something, not a captain material.

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I wonder if they caught Grigorenko's phantom tweet. But we need some go to talent on O and D.
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I think they've known for a minute that Roy was going to Montreal, thus the Dater "speculation" and the quick extension.
that's probably what happend , they were left with no other choice .

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Not surprising, the team did improve 20 points or so over the last season.

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If Lefebvre is gone, I hope Avs go out of their way to bring in a veteran assistant coach instead of an untested one. I think Perry Pearn is someone who might be an ok choice. Seems to be popular among the players and has a solid special teams record with Montreal.

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This is true, except I have to say that being the youngest team in the NHL did have something to do with missing the playoffs but only because there wasn't a leader to provide much needed leadership on and off the ice.

With a veteran true captain and a leader things could of been different.

Hejduk as a captain was just wrong. He didn't provide anything on or off the ice for this team.

1 goal in what? Couple of months or so, and a quiet guy who doesn't say much unless asked something, not a captain material.
who named the Captain ..... exactly, another in his list of long failures

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Great move, Sacco is a brilliant choice. Takes a lot of balls to make a move that is unpopular with fans. All of these years the Avalanche have struggled to be competitive but they finally found one that has taken a young, struggling team (with large contributors being two 18 year-old rookies) to the playoffs, finished in the lottery, but rebounded to almost repeat his rookie coaching year's accomplishment. For so many years the organization has struggled to find a suitable coach and when they finally obtain and retain one, everyone is so quick to cry out. Laughable. Wait until the playoffs are over? Why? Sherman knew who he wanted and he got him. Stop playing arm-chair GMs.

Bravo, Avalanche management. Your competence shines through.

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If Lefebvre is gone, I hope Avs go out of their way to bring in a veteran assistant coach instead of an untested one. I think Perry Pearn is someone who might be an ok choice. Seems to be popular among the players and has a solid special teams record with Montreal.
that's not a bad choice at all , i like that .

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If Lefebvre is gone, I hope Avs go out of their way to bring in a veteran assistant coach instead of an untested one. I think Perry Pearn is someone who might be an ok choice. Seems to be popular among the players and has a solid special teams record with Montreal.
I could see Quinn getting the job as he was the defensive coach in BU. Not a lot of experience at the pro level but the way Gaunce has progressed this year, it could be a good thing. Just not sure how I feel about this yet.

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becoming more of a casual fan for this team every day. Until they show me the money with a FA, I am gonna give them what they give me - a half @$$ effort

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Wow, Sacco getting all sorts of hate.

Coaching youngest NHL team all the while hugging the cap floor. How about we see how he does with a team that's... better? I'm all for coaching stability with a young core. We're not getting Roy, so there's nothing out there better than Sacco.
There's a lot out there better than Sacco actually. With this re-signing, we can virtually guarantee Mueller not re-signing with the Avalanche, and that Matt Duchene is once again going to be on the shortest leash of all the players and won't get to play with consistent wingers all year long. You don't bench your best offensive player every time he makes one mistake, and same goes for Mueller, he doesn't belong on the 4th line.

There are A LOT better than Sacco, Avs' management for some reason just doesn't see this

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There's a lot out there better than Sacco actually. With this re-signing, we can virtually guarantee Mueller not re-signing with the Avalanche, and that Matt Duchene is once again going to be on the shortest leash of all the players and won't get to play with consistent wingers all year long. You don't bench your best offensive player every time he makes one mistake, and same goes for Mueller, he doesn't belong on the 4th line.

There are A LOT better than Sacco, Avs' management for some reason just doesn't see this
Mueller is an RFA, if the Avs qualify him, he has to sign or hope to get traded.

And do you have some inside info that says that Mueller is unhappy in Colorado?

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Great move, Sacco is a brilliant choice. Takes a lot of balls to make a move that is unpopular with fans. All of these years the Avalanche have struggled to be competitive but they finally found one that has taken a young, struggling team (with large contributors being two 18 year-old rookies) to the playoffs, finished in the lottery, but rebounded to almost repeat his rookie coaching year's accomplishment. For so many years the organization has struggled to find a suitable coach and when they finally obtain and retain one, everyone is so quick to cry out. Laughable. Wait until the playoffs are over? Why? Sherman knew who he wanted and he got him. Stop playing arm-chair GMs.

Bravo, Avalanche management. Your competence shines through.
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