For those of you who are upset over resigning Sacco, i bet if asked you wouldn't want the Avs to tank and finish last. But the only way Sacco would of been let go is if the Avs finished last or next to last in the entire NHL.
You can't have it both ways. The team did improve from last year, and I've said this since the start of the season, if you want Sacco gone cheer for the Avs to lose and have the same kind of season they had last year, otherwise he was gonna stay, and damnit if i wasn't right.
Ginners from my home town, says sacco is a great communicator and he like playing for him vs mclellan. not that he was a bad coach, but he enjoys the change. I think we all have a poor understanding oh how the players feel about sacco, which is probably what matter
For those of you who are upset over resigning Sacco, i bet if asked you wouldn't want the Avs to tank and finish last. But the only way Sacco would of been let go is if the Avs finished last or next to last in the entire NHL.
You can't have it both ways. The team did improve from last year, and I've said this since the start of the season, if you want Sacco gone cheer for the Avs to lose and have the same kind of season they had last year, otherwise he was gonna stay, and damnit if i wasn't right.
I don't agree with you often, but you're 100% spot-on here.
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Ginners from my home town, says sacco is a great communicator and he like playing for him vs mclellan. not that he was a bad coach, but he enjoys the change. I think we all have a poor understanding oh how the players feel about sacco, which is probably what matter
For all of those Sacco apologists, for all those fans that seem to be 'ok' with this but apart from saying "I'm ok with this" don't provide ANY other feedback whatsoever...I'd love to hear what Joe Sacco's strongest traits as a coach are. What does he do really well?
For all of those Sacco apologists, for all those fans that seem to be 'ok' with this but apart from saying "I'm ok with this" don't provide ANY other feedback whatsoever...I'd love to hear what Joe Sacco's strongest traits as a coach are. What does he do really well?
In interviews, he doesn't really sugar coat things. He's pretty calm and collected on the bench (stark contrast to say... Coach Q). He has a tendency to stick with lines/pairings that have worked in the past. He gives goalies a fair chance.
For all of those Sacco apologists, for all those fans that seem to be 'ok' with this but apart from saying "I'm ok with this" don't provide ANY other feedback whatsoever...I'd love to hear what Joe Sacco's strongest traits as a coach are. What does he do really well?
The players seem to love playing for him.
He is able to keep them motivated, because if they aren't playing well, he's not beyond benching anyone.
I don't know if it's Sacco being calm or what, but the team doesn't get rattled when down a few goals cause they always seem to pull out these come from behind wins.
The team plays with good effort for him. He does have a robust view of how to play successful hockey (even though the team doesn't play successful hockey at all times) with hard skating, very aggressive forecheck, simple but quick transitions and trying to force the opponent to the outside as key elements. He shows a lot of faith in players and let them work things out. When he has placed someone in the dog house, he always give them several chances to get out of it soon after.
Not that I think it'll change anyones mind. It seems to be some deep entrenchments going on here.
Personally I think some here give way too much importance to the coaching and too little to the players, especially when we lose. The players are by far the most important factor. Comments such as "Sacco didn't have them ready to play" comes across as bizarre to me. They are professional hockey players. Their entire existence is based on them being ready 82 evenings between October and April.
To be blunt, he just lets the guys play. There is a system(although I couldn't tell you what), but the players are allowed to just go out and play. This is one of the things that EJ mentioned when he first came to the Avs. He called Sacco the best coach he's ever had because "he just lets me go out there and play".
Did we ever see Duchene center Landeskog? I cant remember, I know he played on Stastny's line for like two games. But Id be interested to see if they had chemistry, I feel like he could open up some ice for Duchene and cut down on his cute spin moves.
We did for maybe a game towards the beginning of the year...but it didn't pay immediate dividends, so Sacco blew that line up and put Lando back with ROR.
I'm ok with Sacco coming back...he has done decent. My only gripes about him are how he benches people constantly and how he breaks up lines if they don't work immediately (though he was a bit better this year). I would like to see Sacco allow lines to stay the same for 7 or 8 games, see if they develop chemistry.
For all of those Sacco apologists, for all those fans that seem to be 'ok' with this but apart from saying "I'm ok with this" don't provide ANY other feedback whatsoever...I'd love to hear what Joe Sacco's strongest traits as a coach are. What does he do really well?
Okay, since you seem to have missed the other 20 times I've said this, here it is:
1. He has been handed the youngest team in the league with the lowest payroll in the league three years running, made the playoffs once, and nearly made the playoffs this year. The only time he missed and bottomed out was an injury-riddled season that saw his prima-donna goalie essentially give up on the team when he wasn't given an extension. That has to count for something.
2. He took the PK from dead last to 12th in the league
3. He gets at least some credit for helping develop Ryan O'Reilly into a premier two-way forward. He should also get credit for helping develop Erik Johnson into a (potentially) premier defenseman.
Do I have a magic crystal ball that allows me to peer into the locker room and practices and see exactly what he's doing right? No. But neither do you, and I'm not entirely certain what has you so convinced he's doing everything wrong.
Again, not convinced he's the coach long-term for this squad, and given the fickle nature of coaching in this league (9 coaches have been turfed so far this season alone, with likely 3 more coming) he probably won't be. But why does he get the blame for this team's failures and doesn't get credit for its successes?
My biggest complaint about Sacco is the divisional record. Inexcusable and must change for next season or I will jump back on the FIRE SACCO bandwagon with the rest of you. I definitely want this team to succeed next year, but ownership/management has to put their coach in a position to succeed. They have made steps toward that goal, but more must be done.
We did for maybe a game towards the beginning of the year...but it didn't pay immediate dividends, so Sacco blew that line up and put Lando back with ROR.
I'm ok with Sacco coming back...he has done decent. My only gripes about him are how he benches people constantly and how he breaks up lines if they don't work immediately (though he was a bit better this year). I would like to see Sacco allow lines to stay the same for 7 or 8 games, see if they develop chemistry.
What do you do when the whole team is struggling to even just create chances? Keep them together anyways and essentially sacrifice some games? At the end of the day, if offense isn't being created, something new has to be tried mid game. Otherwise it's the coaching staff giving up and saying "screw this game, we're working for the next one".
Maybe Sacco isn't a bad coach, maybe coaching the youngest team in the league while Sacco himself is a young coach is not an easy thing to do.
If Avs had bunch of veterans on the roster Sacco's job would of been much easier. I think they are just letting Sacco grow with the team instead of bringing a new coach. The Avs organization probably sees a potential that some of us fans don't.
Just like Sacco there are many other uncertainties on this young team. I'm not sold on Duchene, and i'm not sure if Stastny is gonna rebound and have a better season next year.
If the best players on the team are not going to be your best players consistently through out the season there is not much a coach can do.
Just like Sacco there are many other uncertainties on this young team. I'm not sold on Duchene, and i'm not sure if Stastny is gonna rebound and have a better season next year.
If stazz consistently plays with actual top 6 wingers i have no doubt in my mind he will rebound his second half was already much better than the beginning of the year especially once ginner got on his line.
Dutchy needs to go back to center, he seems to be the type of player that heats up as the season progresses, which would've been fine but with the injuries physically and mentally he never settled into his groove. Its not like hes every done anything to make us think he has a character problem, so in my mind, think of how disappointed you are in his play, i have a feeling multiply that by 10 and that's how he felt about it. Look for him to work his @!% off in the offseason.
We're gonna laugh at this thread (and the one some dummy started at the beginning of the year..."FIRE SACCO") in a few years when Sacco leads this team to a Stanley Cup win.
If stazz consistently plays with actual top 6 wingers i have no doubt in my mind he will rebound his second half was already much better than the beginning of the year especially once ginner got on his line.
Dutchy needs to go back to center, he seems to be the type of player that heats up as the season progresses, which would've been fine but with the injuries physically and mentally he never settled into his groove. Its not like hes every done anything to make us think he has a character problem, so in my mind, think of how disappointed you are in his play, i have a feeling multiply that by 10 and that's how he felt about it. Look for him to work his @!% off in the offseason.
Hopefully you're right. If Stastny and Duchene rebound and have near PPG season next year the Avs will make the playoffs, all they would need is one top d-man to help out EJ and they should be in post season next year
From 2nd worst to 11th worst. How about top 10 finish next year or bust? I still don't see why the Avs had to extend him right now. I feel that they should've waited to see what other coaches are available before extending this POS coach.
Did we ever see Duchene center Landeskog? I cant remember, I know he played on Stastny's line for like two games. But Id be interested to see if they had chemistry, I feel like he could open up some ice for Duchene and cut down on his cute spin moves.
Landy-Radar-Duchene played together on the PP.
I really just hope that whatever Sacco does on the left wing he butt-buddies Duchene and Mueller the way he did Radar and Landy and the way he should McGinn and Staz.
Ginners from my home town, says sacco is a great communicator and he like playing for him vs mclellan. not that he was a bad coach, but he enjoys the change. I think we all have a poor understanding oh how the players feel about sacco, which is probably what matter
I don't doubt that one bit. But Sacco's very inexperienced in the X's and O's, and it shows with how poorly our team did generating good scoring chances off of anything other than rebounds and deflections of perimeter shots when they had possession in the zone. Stastny's line was really the only one that did well in that respect and even that only after Jones got put back on his wing and McGinn was added for the other side. While you can argue that guys at this level should be able to figure that out themselves, we've got a lot of young players still learning what'll work in the NHL and what won't and having someone who would be able to teach them better stratagems for generating chances would benefit the team a lot.
He is able to keep them motivated, because if they aren't playing well, he's not beyond benching anyone.
I don't know if it's Sacco being calm or what, but the team doesn't get rattled when down a few goals cause they always seem to pull out these come from behind wins.
Sacco would be a great NFL head coach where he has a defensive co-ordinator and offensive co-ordinator there to worry about all of the strategy and tactics. So he could just manage the players, but I don't think we have the right guys around him for that to work in the NHL where in general it is your HC who's responsible for that.
I truly believe he is a very good coach at getting his players to run through a brick wall for him and being willing to do it over and over again and keep doing it until it works. And that works ethic and heart is great to see from a young team, but too often it didn't work and the team would be so exhausted from battling insanity that they'd have games where they were absolutely flat. It's kinda like the difference between working hard and working smart, Sacco has them working ****ing hard, now we need the kids to learn how to work smart so that they have the energy to maintain our relentless forechecking throughout a season and into a long playoff run, that means getting better at holding the puck in the offensive zone and being patient to get the best scoring chance you can and not just the first one.
