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Oh, so now we have to add Barrie+41st overall to Duchene to get Forsberg and Etem, this just gets better and better
What exactly are we going to do with Duchene, Barrie and whoever that 41st is? I doubt Barrie beats Elliott out once Elliott adds some weight. Duchene Ive already mentioned what I think.. And who knows what the 41st would be. Or entire roster is so young the only areas that we need are top end talent. It's simple we don't have any potential for that on the wings. It's just the way it is..
Besides it might not take all of that.. I am just throwing out what we could use. It could be something like the 6th + Barrie + 41st who knows.
To Ana
Derek Roy
2nd rounder
2rd rounder(from Cgy)
We're reported to have Viktor Fasth joining us next season, and we have Gibson and Bobkov down the road. We also have Deslaurier signed through next year. Hiller is the starter.
What exactly are we going to do with Duchene, Barrie and whoever that 41st is? I doubt Barrie beats Elliott out once Elliott adds some weight. Duchene Ive already mentioned what I think.. And who knows what the 41st would be. Or entire roster is so young the only areas that we need are top end talent. It's simple we don't have
any potential for that on the wings. It's just the way it is..
Besides it might not take all of
that.. I am just throwing out what we could use. It could be something like the 6th + Barrie + 41st who knows.
Ok, I see your point.
But I have a better idea. Instead of going to all this trouble to get two prospects( I still highly doubt we could get into 5 with those pieces) we actually trade Duchene for someone proven like Ryan. The idea of trading Duchene for prospects, quite honestly, makes me sick and only sets us back.
But I have a better idea. Instead of going to all this trouble to get two prospects( I still highly doubt we could get into 5 with those pieces) we actually trade Duchene for someone proven like Ryan. The idea of trading Duchene for prospects, quite honestly, makes me sick and only sets us back.
You guys have made it pretty clear that you won't trade Duchene for Ryan.
You guys have made it pretty clear that you won't trade Duchene for Ryan.
I thought you guys made it clear your looking for a center to play with Ryan and not wanting to trade him?
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Ok, I see your point.
But I have a better idea. Instead of going to all this trouble to get two prospects( I still highly doubt we could get into 5 with those pieces) we actually trade Duchene for someone proven like Ryan. The idea of trading Duchene for prospects, quite honestly, makes me sick and only sets us back.
What set us back is not drafting any wingers besides Landeskog in god knows how long. Who would you go after besides Ryan?
I thought you guys made it clear your looking for a center to play with Ryan and not wanting to trade him?
We don't want to trade him, but it would be worth considering at the very least. In nearly every other thread where that idea came up, Avs fans were pretty quick to shoot it down.
You guys have made it pretty clear that you won't trade Duchene for Ryan.
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I thought you guys made it clear your looking for a center to play with Ryan and not wanting to trade him?
Who would you go after besides Ryan?
Yeah, this. Everytime we ask for Ryan you tell us you are not moving him.
As for other guys I would want..I doubt they would be moved. However, I do not see why we should bow down when we cannot get what we really need for Duchene and settle for second best. I stick by what I said before: We only trade Duchene for a top winger of similar value like Ryan and Pacioretty, of a top pairing D to play with Johnson
We don't want to trade him, but it would be worth considering at the very least. In nearly every other thread where that idea came up, Avs fans were pretty quick to shoot it down.
I think in the past that may have been true. But the organization bringing Sacco back scares the hell out of me where Duchene is concerned.
Since Sacco has played him at wing and not really given him much support on the wings when he was at center. He obviously favors O'Reilly and Stasny more so I am scared of what happens next season.
Duchene : in a radio interview (Trying to do what Coach Sacco wants and not lose what got me here is very difficult at times.) It went something like that..
Keep in mind we have an AHL coach who has never won squat while coaching at any level..
We've shot down the people that have thrown out that crap about us having to add to Ryan, but it's never been a flat no to Ryan for Duchene.
One of the kickers to us trading Duchene for Ryan would be that it would give us an even stronger chance when going after Parise.
To be able to offer those guys the opportunity to play together for the rest of their careers would be really valuable. With everything else said.. Yeah I would do Duchene for Ryan..
I just like the risk vs reward that comes with possibly getting two top 6 wingers instead. But that's my opinion I guess.
Just throwing this out there.. How much would we need to add to Duchene to pickup Ryan & Holland? Just wondering because we would definitely be looking for a young two way center to pickup 3rd line duties if Hishon can't step in next year.
I would be willing to do Duchene + Sgrabossa just off the top of my head.
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Just throwing this out there.. How much would we need to add to Duchene to pickup Ryan & Holland? Just wondering because we would definitely be looking for a young two way center to pickup 3rd line duties if Hishon can't step in next year.
I would be willing to do Duchene + Sgrabossa just off the top of my head.
I don't see what's in it for us to trade Holland for Sgarbossa. We'd still want Holland as an insurance policy if something doesn't work with Getzlaf or Duchene.
I don't see what's in it for us to trade Holland for Sgarbossa. We'd still want Holland as an insurance policy if something doesn't work with Getzlaf or Duchene.
Sgrabossa just smoked the OHL with 102 points at 19. Similar level as Etem but a center. So in my mind we would be trading Sgrabossa for hopefully a little more ready Holland that has a better chance at sticking in a 3rd line role on our team.
Sgrabossa just smoked the OHL with 102 points at 19. Similar level as Etem but a center. So in my mind we would be trading Sgrabossa for hopefully a little more ready Holland that has a better chance at sticking in a 3rd line role on our team.
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Duchene + Sgrabossa is a starting point anyways.
Given what Holland has done at a pro-level, I'd rather stick with him.
We don't want to trade him, but it would be worth considering at the very least. In nearly every other thread where that idea came up, Avs fans were pretty quick to shoot it down.
That topic has been beat to death though. Can we just have a thread that doesn't involve moving Ryan? Can we just assume this thread is too find someone to play with Ryan?
Now, the idea of moving Etem makes me sick to my stomach, but I would do it for Duchene. How about:
Yeah I can understand that.. It would be nice to kill both birds with one trade package though so I figured I would throw it out there.
I just don't seeing Sgrabossa fitting as a 3rd line center.
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That topic has been beat to death though. Can we just have a thread that doesn't involve moving Ryan? Can we just assume this thread is too find someone to play with Ryan?
Now, the idea of moving Etem makes me sick to my stomach, but I would do it for Duchene. How about:
To Anaheim: Duchene, 3rd round pick
To Colorado: 6th overall, Etem (ouch), Cogliano
It's already been discussed. Some Avs fans don't like Etem + 6th & 36th for Duchene but I do.. One thing we all agree on (Avs fans) is we wouldn't add and we don't need Cogliano..
That topic has been beat to death though. Can we just have a thread that doesn't involve moving Ryan? Can we just assume this thread is too find someone to play with Ryan?
You're preaching to the choir. I'd prefer a solution that keeps him on our roster, but Ryan for Duchene gets considered at least.
Edit: You're dreaming if you think that Cogs is more attractive than a high second. Why don't you offer Bonino? He's a solid 3C and young.
If the ducks are giving their top prospect + high pick, a 2nd does not need to be added. Just take off Cogliano, I thought they'd want him honestly.
Nah we need a guy with more size.. We already have a small speedy forechecking center that we are using at LW in Mark Olver. Hes also young as well.
As far as dropping the 2nd.. No way in hell. You are asking for Duchene for two complete question marks. In order to take that chance I would want that second rounder as an asset to flip for a 3rd line center.
Even if it's just for rights to someone like Stoll.. Or we could use it to package and move up in the draft in order to ensure we get one of the top 4 forwards in the draft.
The point is it has to be there to help mitigate the risk involved.
Yes, the Avs could pick up another top-young player in some kind of deal, rather than pick up a non-top 5 pick and a non-blue chip prospect.
I would say Etem is bluechip level being No. 48 of the top 50 prospects on Hockey's Future. Hes on the boarder but he is bluechip level.
What I like about him is that his main asset is goal scoring which is not always true with even all of the bluechip guys out there. The WHL is a pretty physical league and the fact that he has scored more goals than anyone has since 2001 in a tough league. That makes him a perfect fit for a team that needs scoring but tough physical forwards.
Power forwards that are as far along as he is are rare..
God Etem playing with O'Reilly & Landeskog.. he would have two very good players to model his game after. And he has all the tools to do it as well as a better wrist shot than either of the two.
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