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No, can't include both 2nds. That would be robbery, Plekanec is a great #2 center. Both those 2nds would get Habs a #1 pick. Plus Timmins has his eye on a couple of homerun type longshots with those picks. We'll do Plekanec and Bourque for 6th overall?
Bourque is too expensive, and Anaheim doesn't need anyone to play right wing. With Selanne back, which I'm pretty sure is going to happen, we have: Perry, Teemu, Ryan, DSP, and Palmieri. We don't even know yet if Etem, Maroon, or Rakell will be good to go next year. The guy that said Diaz is on the right track.
As a Habs fan, moving Plekanec is tough but necessary for the rebuild. I think the Habs are taking Galchenyuk with the first pick and adding a guy like Trouba would be ideal for the future. Habs blueline prospects would include Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis, Dietz and Trouba with Subban and Gorges as veterans. Solid. Plus it almost guarantees that the Habs would have a large shot at MacKinnon.
It's absurd that you believe you can get an established young centre with great potential for a top 5 pick.
You hope your pick will turn out as good as Weiss, or Plekanec.
Your two sentences don't connect all that well. Yes, it's indeed anything but a certainty that a 6th overall pick turns out as good as those guys, that's obvious, but it doesn't change the very real value those picks have in the league. When they are used well, they can be as good or better, and they are a lot cheaper for a significant amount of time, which is huge in the cap era.
Based on the recent deals including such good picks, I don't really find Weiss to be unrealistic. There wouldn't be a significant addition, I assume.
You hope your pick will turn out as good as Weiss, or Plekanec.
Yes I do, and if someone wants to buy that hope from us, then they have to provide a good enough reason for us to do that. Plekanec and Weiss are a good basis for that.
Yes I do, and if someone wants to buy that hope from us, then they have to provide a good enough reason for us to do that. Plekanec and Weiss are a good basis for that.
That doesn't make sense:
I have the real thing, but I'm selling it for hope?
No, can't include both 2nds. That would be robbery, Plekanec is a great #2 center. Both those 2nds would get Habs a #1 pick. Plus Timmins has his eye on a couple of homerun type longshots with those picks. We'll do Plekanec and Bourque for 6th overall?
Like I said, we can sit here and argue all day about the +'s. Bourque however is a big no. Too expensive for us.
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Originally Posted by Oates2Neely
How do Duck fans feel about Stephen Weiss from Florida?
Same situation as Roy. Even if he was the perfect guy for us, his contract ends the same year as Perry Getzlaf and Fowler. We cannot have that many in 1 offseason.
Recent deals like 8th overall + Voracek for Carter?
This one, most of all. I'd consider the Richards one as well, although it wasn't a draft pick but Schenn, but the point is relatively similar. Carter was a lot more highly regarded than Weiss is, so I think that's enough of a basis. Can't really see example of a guy of Weiss' standing netting considerably more than a 6th overall pick.
In the end, I'm not saying Florida should do it or should want to do it. They are in a different situation, and there would be fair reasons to not be interested. A lot of things have to match up for a deal like that to happen. As that's unlikely, I'd expect the pick to be used by the Ducks.
I have the real thing, but I'm selling it for hope?
If you feel that no one available with the 6th overall is going to be better than Weiss or Pleks--or as good, but at a different position to address a need--then you don't have a reason to make that trade. We're okay with taking that gamble. We don't HAVE to trade the pick, after all.
Beggars can't be choosers. Who do you think you are going to get anyhow?
Who is begging? If a deal came around to get us a established 2nd line center who isn't on a bad contract (grabo, statsny) we would do it. But i would prefer we hang onto the pick and go BPA.
Based on recent moves, I think it would be doubtful that Colorado would look for picks in return for Stastny, even if the Ducks were not dissuaded by his contract.
seriously? compairing this to a pre lockout trade that is one of the worst in NHL history.?
Only because the poster I quoted was saying that "recent" trades proved that teams needed to add to their top player to get a top 5 pick. Well those were the only times a top 10 pick was traded for a top player, and so history shows that it was the other way around. i.e. teams with top 10 pick needed to add to get the established player.
This one, most of all. I'd consider the Richards one as well, although it wasn't a draft pick but Schenn, but the point is relatively similar. Carter was a lot more highly regarded than Weiss is, so I think that's enough of a basis. Can't really see example of a guy of Weiss' standing netting considerably more than a 6th overall pick.
In the end, I'm not saying Florida should do it or should want to do it. They are in a different situation, and there would be fair reasons to not be interested. A lot of things have to match up for a deal like that to happen. As that's unlikely, I'd expect the pick to be used by the Ducks.
My issue was with who would need to add, not how much. I believe as you do that Weiss for the 6th is close, but that Anaheim would still be the team needing to add.
Sign Jokinen? 60 point defensive center for another 2-3 years, plays well against top lines but works best when he isn't relied on heavily for offense, and with Ryan, Perry, Getzlaf carrying the load, he could just do his thing.
Sign Jokinen? 60 point defensive center for another 2-3 years, plays well against top lines but works best when he isn't relied on heavily for offense, and with Ryan, Perry, Getzlaf carrying the load, he could just do his thing.
I think Jokinen could be a good fit there if you guys could manage his potential salary.
Yeah, I didn't bother making an offer from Calgary's POV, don't think we have anything to entice the Ducks, unless you'd be interested in 14th, Backlund, +
I'd do Plekanec and a small + contradictory to the 2 2nds being the plus.
I see a match but at same time i'm not crazy about trading plekanec and adding just for a pick.
When Richards(similar, but better player) got Schenn(6th overall) and Simmonds and Carter got Voracek(7th overall) and Couturier(8th overall), I don't think it's unreasonable to say Plekanec is worth just the 6th pick in a draft with no 'sure thing' after #1. Granted, ducks fans will say no and that's fine, but signed to a good deal, young, two-way, can play anywhere, good work ethic and all that. So, i'd rather have the 6th and i'd consider adding a very small plus, not much though
