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I'd do Plekanec and a small + contradictory to the 2 2nds being the plus.
I see a match but at same time i'm not crazy about trading plekanec and adding just for a pick.
When Richards(similar, but better player) got Schenn(6th overall) and Simmonds and Carter got Voracek(7th overall) and Couturier(8th overall), I don't think it's unreasonable to say Plekanec is worth just the 6th pick in a draft with no 'sure thing' after #1. Granted, ducks fans will say no and that's fine, but signed to a good deal, young, two-way, can play anywhere, good work ethic and all that. So, i'd rather have the 6th and i'd consider adding a very small plus, not much though
Both Richards and Carter are a few years younger than pleks as well.
Roy is signed to 1 more season at 4 million. If Buffalo were offered a deal from ANA I would assume it's Roy, with a contract extension at the same amount for an additional 3 seasons and a 1st and 2nd rounder this draft.
Is this even allowed? I thought teams weren't allowed to discuss an extension until July 1st? The trade would have to happen before that. I do think it's safe to day that we won't trade for Roy without an extension though.
Both Richards and Carter are a few years younger than pleks as well.
Pleks + Nashvilles 2nd For the 6th overall.
That is true, they are younger, more physical as well. Still, you cut out half what they got and it's pretty much the 6th. If we HAVE to give the 2nd rounder, fine, but i'd rather give our 3rd(63 overall rather than nash at 57th)
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And on better contracts, IMO.
Richards makes 5.75 mil a year till he's 38. His caphit is manageable and he is a winner. I would gladly that on the contract as a habs fan, but I don't consider a lifetime contract at near 6 mil a 'good contract'. What if he gets injured, slows down at around 32? Is it still a good contract? There's major risk involved.
That is true, they are younger, more physical as well. Still, you cut out half what they got and it's pretty much the 6th. If we HAVE to give the 2nd rounder, fine, but i'd rather give our 3rd(63 overall rather than nash at 57th)
Richards makes 5.75 mil a year till he's 38. His caphit is manageable and he is a winner. I would gladly that on the contract as a habs fan, but I don't consider a lifetime contract at near 6 mil a 'good contract'. What if he gets injured, slows down at around 32? Is it still a good contract? There's major risk involved.
I said "better contracts", not good contracts. I would much rather trade the 6th overall pick for a lifetime contract instead of a contract that expires in three seasons.
I said "better contracts", not good contracts. I would much rather trade the 6th overall pick for a lifetime contract instead of a contract that expires in three seasons.
4 actually. If you want plekanec for longer, i'm sure he'd sign for that, and even if not, plekanec is 2 years older than the other 2. I'm not sure any of them serve the same purpose after 34-35. Plekanec's contract ends when he's 33. Seems like perfect age to re-evaluate IMO.
I DO understand where you're coming from though and don't blame you. I just don't see a team like anahiem having a big contract for a 35+ player as 'better' than one that ends at the appropriate time. Granted, we have different opinions, that's find obviously. I do not blame anyone for liking Richards more than Plekanec, even if they see the contract as worse.
Only because the poster I quoted was saying that "recent" trades proved that teams needed to add to their top player to get a top 5 pick. Well those were the only times a top 10 pick was traded for a top player, and so history shows that it was the other way around. i.e. teams with top 10 pick needed to add to get the established player.
Recent so you go back 11 years....
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Originally Posted by Trae
Sign Jokinen? 60 point defensive center for another 2-3 years, plays well against top lines but works best when he isn't relied on heavily for offense, and with Ryan, Perry, Getzlaf carrying the load, he could just do his thing.
I would love that, but I am not ignorant enough to count on it happening.
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Both Richards and Carter are a few years younger than pleks as well.
Pleks + Nashvilles 2nd For the 6th overall.
Richards and Carter are younger, better contracts, better players AND higher potential. It's kinda hard to compare them in my eyes but I understand why you are since they are the most recent guys traded.
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Originally Posted by ericnut
And on better contracts, IMO.
Not to us but to the majority of the league.
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Would something like the Ana 1st + Maroon for Brassard + CBJ 3rd get it done?
In what world does Ana add to that?
We are talking Plekanec+ and you come back with Brassard basically straight up (maroon and 3rd canceling).
I think the OP needs to change the title of the thread to Ana pick for #1 C.
Seems like all you see is ANA fans laughing at proposals for 2nd line NHL centers like Grabovski, Roy, Gagner, Brassard, Plakanec etc
If you want a player like Carter or Richards then ask for a #1C and stop bashing all the other players.
I think you should actualy read our responses.
Half those players you listed were not turned down because "they aren't good enough".
Roy: his contract ends the same offseason as Pery Getzlaf and Fowler.
Grabo: He would be pur highest paid forward the next 2 years until Getzy and Perry get resigned.... He is overpayed similar to Stastny. He is a perfect guy for us skillwise and for what he brings.
Plekanec: Noone has said no to him. Infact both sides have agreed that something can be worked out with adding on MTL's side like a 2nd or 3rd.
Gagner: due a raise and, although he is still 22 and could easily be a solid #2, he is small and not a sure thing. I have watched every single game the Ducks have played against EDM since he came in the league and probably 10-15 games that the Ducks wernt playing the Oilers. He is not a #2 center right now i my opinion. No way is he worth the 6th overall.
Brassard: similar situation to Gagner.
Right now Plekanec and Grabovski are the 2 best options IMO.
I would do Duchene + for Ryan + 1st (6th over all)
Barrie is one of our top NHL ready pucker moving D prospects and Pickard is our top goalie prospect. Something like one or both of those guys added.
Honestly I would rather work out some kind of package for one of our wingers and a top center prospect for example Downie + Sgrabossa + Barrie + Pickard for Ryan. That really only works if Anaheim is rebuilding though.
Sgrabossa lead the OHL in scoring with 102 pts in 66 games played. Hes a center prospect..
If we traded Duchene we would need to hope that Hishon or Sgrabossa step in next year as a second line center. Neither are third line centers.. O'Reilly would still play the checking/Shutdown role.
Half those players you listed were not turned down because "they aren't good enough".
Roy: his contract ends the same offseason as Pery Getzlaf and Fowler.
Grabo: He would be pur highest paid forward the next 2 years until Getzy and Perry get resigned.... He is overpayed similar to Stastny. He is a perfect guy for us skillwise and for what he brings.
Plekanec: Noone has said no to him. Infact both sides have agreed that something can be worked out with adding on MTL's side like a 2nd or 3rd.
Gagner: due a raise and, although he is still 22 and could easily be a solid #2, he is small and not a sure thing. I have watched every single game the Ducks have played against EDM since he came in the league and probably 10-15 games that the Ducks wernt playing the Oilers. He is not a #2 center right now i my opinion. No way is he worth the 6th overall.
Brassard: similar situation to Gagner.
Right now Plekanec and Grabovski are the 2 best options IMO.
I would do Duchene + for Ryan + 1st (6th over all)
Barrie is one of our top NHL ready pucker moving D prospects and Pickard is our top goalie prospect. Something like one or both of those guys added.
Honestly I would rather work out some kind of package for one of our wingers and a top center prospect for example Downie + Sgrabossa + Barrie + Pickard for Ryan. That really only works if Anaheim is rebuilding though.
Sgrabossa lead the OHL in scoring with 102 pts in 66 games played. Hes a center prospect..
If we traded Duchene we would need to hope that Hishon or Sgrabossa step in next year as a second line center. Neither are third line centers.. O'Reilly would still play the checking/Shutdown role.
Ya I bet you would...
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I would move Pleks and Nsh 2nd for the 6th.
I would rather have your 2nd obviously But either way it works for me.
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You have a more recent trade to look at? No? So what are you complaining about? I took the only trades available to me.
How about use your brain and dont use a trade that has nothignt o do with today.
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Only way I move our 6th is for Schenn from Philly. Not risking a huge contract for a Dumba/Trouba/Reinhardt.
Besides we can get the 2ND best! D man in the draft which will be a damn good player.
You are in love with Schenn right now huh? You say you would trade Bobby + for Schenn now you want to trade the 6th + for Schenn.
Its 1 playoff series. Remember a few years ago when JVR had an amazing playoffs? What has he done since? jack ****.
We have 3 finns on our team, it might not be as hard as you think to sign Ollie Jokinen. He would be our best option, sign him to 4.5 million for 2-3 years and keep the 6th overall.. his last contract was 2 yrs 6 mill. the one before that was 4 years 21 mill.. i can only assume he will want something inbetween there so i assumed 2 years for 4-4.5 million, wish its good enough capwise and we can keep our pick
it's funny how it hasn't even been 1 playoffs serires .... it's been only 1 game lol
What's funny is you guys act like he's had previous experience beforehand. He hasn't he's a rookie and putting up good numbers in a VERY hostile series. So yes I would still trade for him depending on series outcome and how well he does as the playoffs progress.
I would definitely not trade Plekanec + NSH 2nd for the #6 overall. Plekanec is one of the best 2C in the league (If you consider many of the league 2c should be #1C on most of the teams). He is great on the PK puts up really decent production (50-70 points/year) and he is on a really afordable contract. You only wish to land that kind of prospect with the 6th overall. Sure you can land a homerun but you're more likely to end up with a worst player. Keep Plekanec and let Timmins work his magic with that NSH pick. Moreover, he is one of the only valuable veteran presence on the habs team. I don't think the habs needs a total rebuild but more of a retool. I would move Eller+++ (looks like he could end up like a bigger version of Plekanec, but still a project) for that pick but I don't think he is what the ducks are looking for.
