When Larry Tanenbaum puts an open apology letter to the Maple Leafs fans, it shows that now he wants results for next season not in a few years. The fact is; MLS&E will require Burke to make the Leafs better for post season play. The Leafs were close, but just imploded late in the season.
The needs are #1C and 1A goaltending to make this somewhat feasible. The Leafs General Manager job is where careers die. Just look at Pat Quinn and JFJ where they haven't received GM jobs after their tenure in Toronto.
It is pretty evident that Burke sees this fact and he will look to make a trade for an impact player for the 5th overall. It will take at least two years for that 5th overall drafted player to make an impact and Burke doesn't have time to wait, he needs to be successful in 2012-2013!
I can see Burke making a trade like:
San Jose: 5th overall pick + Kulemin/MacArthur + Ashton Toronto: Joe Thornton
This would only happen if Thornton would waive his NTC to be in Toronto, but Burke would push hard for a player like Thornton to help Kessel out. Carlyle would most likely want Thornton on the team for his system.
It would be best to keep the 5th overall pick and just build the team up. However, with time slipping for Burke and MLS&E to make the playoffs a rash move could be in order this upcoming draft.
When Larry Tanenbaum puts an open apology letter to the Maple Leafs fans, it shows that now he wants results for next season not in a few years. The fact is; MLS&E will require Burke to make the Leafs better for post season play. The Leafs were close, but just imploded late in the season.
The needs are #1C and 1A goaltending to make this somewhat feasible. The Leafs General Manager job is where careers die. Just look at Pat Quinn and JFJ where they haven't received GM jobs after their tenure in Toronto.
It is pretty evident that Burke sees this fact and he will look to make a trade for an impact player for the 5th overall. It will take at least two years for that 5th overall drafted player to make an impact and Burke doesn't have time to wait, he needs to be successful in 2012-2013!
I can see Burke making a trade like:
San Jose: 5th overall pick + Kulemin/MacArthur + Ashton Toronto: Joe Thornton
This would only happen if Thornton would waive his NTC to be in Toronto, but Burke would push hard for a player like Thornton to help Kessel out. Carlyle would most likely want Thornton on the team for his system.
It would be best to keep the 5th overall pick and just build the team up. However, with time slipping for Burke and MLS&E to make the playoffs a rash move could be in order this upcoming draft.
San Jose: 5th overall pick + Kulemin/MacArthur + Ashton Toronto: Joe Thornton
Yikes. I see where you are going with that and I am generally high on JT, but that is a pretty steep price to pay for a soon-to-be 33 year old who is widely considered to be a playoff underachiever with a huge cap hit.
it seems like we're in a reasonable position to at least negotiate with the teams ahead of us to acquire 1 of the top 2 centres.
we certainly have the assets to pitch a reasonable offer imo,
personally i'd go as high as our 5th + schenn + mid ranking prospect or pick, to acquire the top centre and i would offer as high as our 5th plus a franson/frattin/kadri
for the second best centre in the draft.
even if we don't strike a deal with columbus, or edmonton we could still possibly strike a deal with montreal or the isles to make sure we get our man or our second best man.
Yikes. I see where you are going with that and I am generally high on JT, but that is a pretty steep price to pay for a soon-to-be 33 year old who is widely considered to be a playoff underachiever with a huge cap hit.
In fact, it borders on huge overpayment.
I agree that it would be a huge overpayment, but the fact is a contending team bordering on becoming a playoff bubble team like San Jose has this year would want an overpayment for an all-star center that is big and strong. We all know it will take a lot to land a BIG #1C player, and this could be the type of price Burke may have to pay to obtain that big center. It sucks.
The Leafs would be better served to keep the draft pick, but it is possible for Burke to make this type of move. He mortgaged the future with Kessel knowing full well the draft pick could become a top five draft pick and still took the gamble trading two of them away. Sometimes the General Managers who take the most risk are either rewarded greatly (Stanley Cup) or fall down never to be seen again. Let's see what Burke is willing to gamble his career on.
That sounds like something burke would do in reverse to get our 3rd overall pick. Only thing is leafs dont have anyone we want!
Maybe burke would give us your 5th pick this year and your first next year.
Sounds bout fair for now, but if we land mckinnon with your first rounder next year, it wouldnt be so fair now would it.
Seems like laughs nation have been down this road before
It's already a fact that Burke won't be moving that pick unless it's to move up and draft the player he wants. Similiar rhetoric came out of Tom Anselmi's mouth
I agree that it would be a huge overpayment, but the fact is a contending team bordering on becoming a playoff bubble team like San Jose has this year would want an overpayment for an all-star center that is big and strong. We all know it will take a lot to land a BIG #1C player, and this could be the type of price Burke may have to pay to obtain that big center. It sucks.
The Leafs would be better served to keep the draft pick, but it is possible for Burke to make this type of move. He mortgaged the future with Kessel knowing full well the draft pick could become a top five draft pick and still took the gamble trading two of them away. Sometimes the General Managers who take the most risk are either rewarded greatly (Stanley Cup) or fall down never to be seen again. Let's see what Burke is willing to gamble his career on.
people went nuts when burke traded 2 unknown firsts and a 2nd for a 21 year old kessel and even more nuts when it became the 2nd overall and the 9th overall. now you want to trade a known pick, the 5th overall ++ for a 33 year old player signed at over $7 million for a few more years on the down side of his career when we are no where close to contending?
not enough facepalms could demonstrate who poor an idea i think trading this #5 pick would be.
i would listen to offers for the #5 pick but we need top end talent, not a grouping of lesser things.
It's already a fact that Burke won't be moving that pick unless it's to move up and draft the player he wants. Similiar rhetoric came out of Tom Anselmi's mouth
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The COO was asked to offer his interpretation of Burke’s plan.
“The plan is to build through the draft. They’ve had three drafts.”
It was pointed out that the idea to build through the draft must be a new one for a franchise that traded its first-round picks in 2010 and 2011 for sniper Phil Kessel, forfeiting to Boston the rights to current star Tyler Seguin and future star Dougie Hamilton in the process.
“You can pick apart any piece of it. You can debate the Kessel trade. It’s not my job to sit here and assess,” Anselmi said. “You look at where we were four years ago with prospects in the system versus where we are today, we’ve taken a step forward. The Marlies are a better team. There are people in the system now that these guys believe are NHL players. Have we taken a step back in the last five weeks? Absolutely. But I also think you have to look at things from 30,000 feet and say it’s not just about this year. It’s about accumulating assets and developing those assets. And development takes time.”
Without kessel, leafs would have likely ended up with hall/seguin and rnh/ landeskog. Would have been almost garanteed a top 5 pick these last 3 years.
Really when you look at it, u guys finished 9th last, last year.
If i had a choice between kessel and either of those 4, id be bye bye kessel.
Let alone kessel for 2 of the 4.
Kessel aint a winner, hes more of a show up, collect pay cheque, go home type of guy. No heart no ambition
Without kessel, leafs would have likely ended up with hall/seguin and rnh/ landeskog. Would have been almost garanteed a top 5 pick these last 3 years.
Really when you look at it, u guys finished 9th last, last year.
If i had a choice between kessel and either of those 4, id be bye bye kessel.
Let alone kessel for 2 of the 4. Kessel aint a winner, hes more of a show up, collect pay cheque, go home type of guy. No heart no ambition
Clearly you never watch the leafs. He is our best player, hands down.
Im happy it worked out the way it did, cause i dont think i would watch hockey if laughs had rnh, seguin and galchenyuk. Theyd be a force, instead of a flop.
Theres a reason boston didnt want kessel, they knew they werent winning a cup with him.
Im happy it worked out the way it did, cause i dont think i would watch hockey if laughs had rnh, seguin and galchenyuk. Theyd be a force, instead of a flop.
Theres a reason boston didnt want kessel, they knew they werent winning a cup with him.
Hell toronto cant even make the playoffs with him
thats because the rest of our team (goalies, defence, depth) didn't play well
not because of our star forward who had 17 more points than any hab this year
Im happy it worked out the way it did, cause i dont think i would watch hockey if laughs had rnh, seguin and galchenyuk. Theyd be a force, instead of a flop.
Theres a reason boston didnt want kessel, they knew they werent winning a cup with him.
Hell toronto cant even make the playoffs with him
Someone needs a refresher. Your team was supposed to battle for a division title this year, and promptly fell flat on its face, where it stayed the rest of the year. And all this about Kessel being a loser with no heart and ambition - really? That's completely unfounded and totally unquantifiable. Neither I, nor the hockey world in general, have any interest in the anecdotal drivel on which those claims are supposedly substantiated upon. Honestly, your *** must be jealous of all the **** that comes out of your mouth. Quit trolling; you're terrible at it. And your team sucks, too.
I ll be the first to admit that my team sucks too. But just so ya know, leafs are my third team.
Dads a diehard leafs fan and he's 73.
I would like to see the leafs make the playoffs while he's on the right side of the grass.
Just makes me wonder how good the leafs could have been in a year or two if they hadnt traded a solid future for heartless kessel.
Did he score either goal after the all star break?
Just curious!
If i were burke id trade kessel for 2013 draft picks to the highest bidder asap.
7 years into a rebuild, whats another couple
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Originally Posted by 7even
Someone needs a refresher. Your team was supposed to battle for a division title this year, and promptly fell flat on its face, where it stayed the rest of the year. And all this about Kessel being a loser with no heart and ambition - really? That's completely unfounded and totally unquantifiable. Neither I, nor the hockey world in general, have any interest in the anecdotal drivel on which those claims are supposedly substantiated upon. Honestly, your *** must be jealous of all the **** that comes out of your mouth. Quit trolling; you're terrible at it. And your team sucks, too.
Without kessel, leafs would have likely ended up with hall/seguin and rnh/ landeskog. Would have been almost garanteed a top 5 pick these last 3 years.
Really when you look at it, u guys finished 9th last, last year.
If i had a choice between kessel and either of those 4, id be bye bye kessel.
Let alone kessel for 2 of the 4.
Kessel aint a winner, hes more of a show up, collect pay cheque, go home type of guy. No heart no ambition
Funny you say that considering a guy who has more 'heart and ambition' in his pinky finger than most basically called your entire a team a bunch of losers. You know nothing about Kessel's drive or ambition so quit spewing anecdotal ********
Funny you say that considering a guy who has more 'heart and ambition' in his pinky finger than most basically called your entire a team a bunch of losers. You know nothing about Kessel's drive or ambition so quit spewing anecdotal ********
My team as its issues for sure, but how do a team fall so far so fast?
Werent the leafs firmly in playoffs around xmas? And then what happened?
No leadership no heart phaneuf et kessel showed their true colors once the collapse happened.
Burke's finally got the right idea of keeping picks, but in the wrong year. There are way too many questions about the top players in the draft this year to keep the pick and cross your fingers. I can see a huge deal with multiple players and picks between the Leafs and Columbus. Makes sense for both teams. Maybe Burke lands Nash, swaps some other parts and picks with other teams and winds up just moving down in the draft. Wouldn't be a bad thing.
Though if Burke does pick at 5, it'd be nice to see him go after a D. Better bets with the D in this draft, and TBH, the Leafs need D more than anything else right now, even the #1 centre.
Funny you say that considering a guy who has more 'heart and ambition' in his pinky finger than most basically called your entire a team a bunch of losers. You know nothing about Kessel's drive or ambition so quit spewing anecdotal ********
He's right. Kessel has never had the work ethic or intelligence to improve. He was the last to arrive and first to leave in Boston. He'd rather quit than put in extra effort and that's why he wanted out of Boston. Leafs will never win with him and better to trade him now when his value is high
My team as its issues for sure, but how do a team fall so far so fast?
Werent the leafs firmly in playoffs around xmas? And then what happened?
No leadership no heart phaneuf et kessel showed their true colors once the collapse happened.
Tell me specifically how leadership impacts a team's success. I'd love to know how you think Phaneuf wearing an arbitrary letter on his jersey and Kessel finishing with 82 points in 82 games directly led to Toronto's losing streak. Enlighten all of us sheep.
