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At some point the Islanders will have to make a choice.
Either:
A) Bring in veterans to help out the young squad to start building for contention in the next two years.
B) Continue to perpetually pick in the top 10 in the hopes the team becomes a contender.
The only way the Islanders get a player of value is if a team that is laden with veterans (i.e. Calgary) wants to do a full out rebuild and has the veteran assets to trade an Iginla, Kipper, etc. for the 4th overall pick.
A team like Philadelphia MAY trade JvR who is a young player on a pretty decent albeit yet deserved longer-term contract. However, Philadelphia will want another young roster player coming back as they are not rebuilding and a team that is rebuilding will not trade any of their most recent young drafted players to either move up or trade for the 4th overall pick.
At some point the Islanders will have to figure out what direction the team needs to go because so far Snow has only shown to keep drafting players at the selected position, or trade down for extra draft picks. He has yet shown to trade the first round pick out right, and the chances of this happening are most likely zero.
You missed it last June,when Snow traded for Erhoff and offered him 6 yrs/$33m?
You missed the report from the agents of Martin and Hamhuis,that those players got higher offers from Snow, but choose cup contenders Vancouver and Pittsburgh?
So,Snow should trade top youngsters for highly paid,aging vets his team can't afford? ok.Thanks for the advice.
You missed it last June,when Snow traded for Erhoff and offered him 6 yrs/$33m?
You missed the report from the agents of Martin and Hamhuis,that those players got higher offers from Snow, but choose cup contenders Vancouver and Pittsburgh?
So,Snow should trade top youngsters for highly paid,aging vets his team can't afford? ok.Thanks for the advice.
No, your team should pick up Tim Connolly as a FA and give him a raise.
You missed it last June,when Snow traded for Erhoff and offered him 6 yrs/$33m?
You missed the report from the agents of Martin and Hamhuis,that those players got higher offers from Snow, but choose cup contenders Vancouver and Pittsburgh?
So,Snow should trade top youngsters for highly paid,aging vets his team can't afford? ok.Thanks for the advice.
It is highly doubtful that Charles Wang offered more money than other teams when it has been shown he would prefer to get at the cap floor by trading for players with high cap hits and lower salary.
In one sentence you state the Islanders offered Martin and Hamhuis great contracts, and than right after state Snow should not trade top youngsters for highly paid aging vets the Islanders can't afford? Either the Islanders can afford, or are willing to pay players great contracts for their services. Based on history it shows Wang is not willing to do this, and your point shows this fact.
Until the arena issue is finalized, Wang will put out the least money on players and will bring in players only to get to the cap floor. That doesn't sound like a team looking to go all out and win. Paying for veterans means opening up the bank account, and Wang needs to decide if he wants to pay the salaries to get the right players or continue to go around in circles icing a cap floor team.
No, your team should pick up Tim Connolly as a FA and give him a raise.
What's so funny? The Sabres paid Connolly $2.9 million for 3 years and than $4.5 million for two years after he became UFA. The Leafs only gave him a $250,000 raise for two years over what Buffalo paid him, so there is really no difference between Buffalo and Toronto offering Connolly the same amount of term and almost the same money.
I'm not saying the Islanders trade for veterans only, but they should start spending some money to ice a decent team for their fans.
It is highly doubtful that Charles Wang offered more money than other teams when it has been shown he would prefer to get at the cap floor by trading for players with high cap hits and lower salary.
In one sentence you state the Islanders offered Martin and Hamhuis great contracts, and than right after state Snow should not trade top youngsters for highly paid aging vets the Islanders can't afford? Either the Islanders can afford, or are willing to pay players great contracts for their services. Based on history it shows Wang is not willing to do this, and your point shows this fact.
Until the arena issue is finalized, Wang will put out the least money on players and will bring in players only to get to the cap floor. That doesn't sound like a team looking to go all out and win. Paying for veterans means opening up the bank account, and Wang needs to decide if he wants to pay the salaries to get the right players or continue to go around in circles icing a cap floor team.
I'm baffled. There is a BIG difference between trading youngsters for vets, and signing them as UFA. Wow! Unbelievable on your part. And oh, I didn't know 31 and 29 years old respectively were again vets.
It is highly doubtful that Charles Wang offered more money than other teams when it has been shown he would prefer to get at the cap floor by trading for players with high cap hits and lower salary.
In one sentence you state the Islanders offered Martin and Hamhuis great contracts, and than right after state Snow should not trade top youngsters for highly paid aging vets the Islanders can't afford? Either the Islanders can afford, or are willing to pay players great contracts for their services. Based on history it shows Wang is not willing to do this, and your point shows this fact.
Until the arena issue is finalized, Wang will put out the least money on players and will bring in players only to get to the cap floor. That doesn't sound like a team looking to go all out and win. Paying for veterans means opening up the bank account, and Wang needs to decide if he wants to pay the salaries to get the right players or continue to go around in circles icing a cap floor team.
What's so funny? The Sabres paid Connolly $2.9 million for 3 years and than $4.5 million for two years after he became UFA. The Leafs only gave him a $250,000 raise for two years over what Buffalo paid him, so there is really no difference between Buffalo and Toronto offering Connolly the same amount of term and almost the same money.
I'm not saying the Islanders trade for veterans only, but they should start spending some money to ice a decent team for their fans.
The fact that Leafs fans thought he was well worth the money, and telling Buffalo fans that they would be laughing at us when their new number one center was PPG and carrying the leafs to taking both the NE division and the cup. Also the fact that you guys are paying him 5.5 this year.
What's so funny? The Sabres paid Connolly $2.9 million for 3 years and than $4.5 million for two years after he became UFA. The Leafs only gave him a $250,000 raise for two years over what Buffalo paid him, so there is really no difference between Buffalo and Toronto offering Connolly the same amount of term and almost the same money.
I'm not saying the Islanders trade for veterans only, but they should start spending some money to ice a decent team for their fans.
And then they let him walk, and Burke snatched up the leftovers. Point being, the Islanders are doing just fine rebuilding, and same can be said for the Leafs (). Burke screwed up big time by doing exactly what you're suggesting, and look where it has got him.
It is highly doubtful that Charles Wang offered more money than other teams when it has been shown he would prefer to get at the cap floor by trading for players with high cap hits and lower salary.
In one sentence you state the Islanders offered Martin and Hamhuis great contracts, and than right after state Snow should not trade top youngsters for highly paid aging vets the Islanders can't afford? Either the Islanders can afford, or are willing to pay players great contracts for their services. Based on history it shows Wang is not willing to do this, and your point shows this fact.
Until the arena issue is finalized, Wang will put out the least money on players and will bring in players only to get to the cap floor. That doesn't sound like a team looking to go all out and win. Paying for veterans means opening up the bank account, and Wang needs to decide if he wants to pay the salaries to get the right players or continue to go around in circles icing a cap floor team.
Isles ended up trading for a washed up Rolston and giving him the salary Erhoff rejected.the agents for Martin and Humhuis said the isles offer were higher.Is that the history you're talking about?
Why has Wang decided to close his checkbook this summer?My guess would be the arena mess not turning out as he'd hoped.
Leblanc has 10 points in 42 games, but he played 3rd and 4th line minutes until the last couple of games.
Both dman are probably 1 year in the A away. I'm sure the Islanders were looking for NHL ready players.
Would be sick to get Grigs and Gally.
Oh well. Tinordi is a dman we really need to develop as he's an important player in our not so good prospect pool.
isles have nhl ready prospects and close to nhl ready prospects.If your gm has a young,budding star to offer,I'm sure Snow would be all ears.Unproven prospects...nah,got a bunch of our own.
"We did get some different offers and some were higher in contract value but we like the fit in Vancouver," said Hamhuis. "We liked the opportunity from a hockey perspective and a lifestyle perspective for my family."
isles have nhl ready prospects and close to nhl ready prospects.If your gm has a young,budding star to offer,I'm sure Snow would be all ears.Unproven prospects...nah,got a bunch of our own.
Habs got Pacioretty and Subban for what you've described.
One of those players + would be what it takes, but I don't see the need to pretty much say a rebuild.
I'm baffled. There is a BIG difference between trading youngsters for vets, and signing them as UFA. Wow! Unbelievable on your part. And oh, I didn't know 31 and 29 years old respectively were again vets.
This discussion is about trading the 4th overall for what the OP feels might be worth considering. So the problem is what team is going to trade a young entry level contract NHL player for a 4th round draft pick?? That is going backwards, not forward.
There are options to trade either for a young player, prime year player, or veteran (not washed up). The Islanders can try to trade for a 24 year old or a 30+ year old. For the 4th overall pick a team would have to trade a good or upcoming player like JvR, but realistically would a team like Philadelphia do that? The chances of that happening is slim.
So who can the Islanders realistically get for a top four pick when there is no guarantee that 4th selected player will become a JvR or another young NHL player on a good contract. There is a reason why teams don't part with good young players on nice contracts for a draft pick.
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Isles ended up trading for a washed up Rolston and giving him the salary Erhoff rejected.the agents for Martin and Humhuis said the isles offer were higher.Is that the history you're talking about?
Why has Wang decided to close his checkbook this summer?My guess would be the arena mess not turning out as he'd hoped.
Snow will make offers to free agents, but the problem with free agents they want to go on a winning team and get paid. The fact Wang puts the Islanders as one of the bottom paying teams in the entire NHL does not bode well for players wanting to compete and get paid.
It seems odd for Snow to acquire a declining player like Rolston at a $5,062,500 cap hit when most other teams would not have touched Rolston at that cap hit. I suppose salary cap floor may have been the motive, as his actual salary was $5 million, so the Islanders saved a whopping $62k.
Don't get me wrong, nothing more would make most NHL fans happy to see Wang get his arena deal and have the Islanders in Long Island given the heritage the team has.
It's just difficult to get a team to trade a good player on an excellent contract for a draft pick. Even at fourth overall, it would take a REALLY GOOD player to have Snow trade that pick, and it would be hard for any team to give up their top player or player + prospect + pick to make a deal for it. The best Snow can hope for is a team adding a player to move up, while the Islanders move down in the first round.
The fact that Leafs fans thought he was well worth the money, and telling Buffalo fans that they would be laughing at us when their new number one center was PPG and carrying the leafs to taking both the NE division and the cup. Also the fact that you guys are paying him 5.5 this year.
Most Leafs fans did not like acquiring Connolly at all, including myself. We knew he was an injury prone player that was only overpaid because Burke was desperate. It's good the Islanders are not signing injury prone players to short term contracts as a gamble.
Rick DiPietro was just unlucky signing. Every team has a player they should not have signed to long term contracts. Ville Leino case in point? Let's not get into a Connolly and Leafs vs. Sabres debate as this is off topic to the thread.
This discussion is about trading the 4th overall for what the OP feels might be worth considering. So the problem is what team is going to trade a young entry level contract NHL player for a 4th round draft pick?? That is going backwards, not forward.
There are options to trade either for a young player, prime year player, or veteran (not washed up). The Islanders can try to trade for a 24 year old or a 30+ year old. For the 4th overall pick a team would have to trade a good or upcoming player like JvR, but realistically would a team like Philadelphia do that? The chances of that happening is slim.
So who can the Islanders realistically get for a top four pick when there is no guarantee that 4th selected player will become a JvR or another young NHL player on a good contract. There is a reason why teams don't part with good young players on nice contracts for a draft pick.
Snow will make offers to free agents, but the problem with free agents they want to go on a winning team and get paid. The fact Wang puts the Islanders as one of the bottom paying teams in the entire NHL does not bode well for players wanting to compete and get paid.
It seems odd for Snow to acquire a declining player like Rolston at a $5,062,500 cap hit when most other teams would not have touched Rolston at that cap hit. I suppose salary cap floor may have been the motive, as his actual salary was $5 million, so the Islanders saved a whopping $62k.
Don't get me wrong, nothing more would make most NHL fans happy to see Wang get his arena deal and have the Islanders in Long Island given the heritage the team has.
It's just difficult to get a team to trade a good player on an excellent contract for a draft pick. Even at fourth overall, it would take a REALLY GOOD player to have Snow trade that pick, and it would be hard for any team to give up their top player or player + prospect + pick to make a deal for it. The best Snow can hope for is a team adding a player to move up, while the Islanders move down in the first round.
Just because Snow said don't expect major changes does not mean he won't make any changes.He has 4 vets on defense leaving as ufas and Rolston's $5m salary off the books.
Isles will have several cheaper youngsters like De Haan,Ullstrom,Cizikas,possibly Donovan on the roster.
Snow can't make big moves but he could do something along the lines of adding a vet on a short term,reasonable contract like SJ's Murray or Buffalo's Leopold for a 2nd and decent prospect.
Opposing fans always look for major blockbusters,when Snow should be more well known for smaller moves:Wiz,Erhoff,signing Streit/Moulson/Parenteau.
Sabres get a young winger with good upside/size & the #4 pick in 2012.
Deal?
Seems like a good trade. Vanek is good but overpaid and was called out by his coach this year among other core players. Nino was mishandled by the Isles but still has good upside.
Isles get a talented player who has a high cap hit but makes less in real dollars so they can continue to scam their way to the cap floor.
This discussion is about trading the 4th overall for what the OP feels might be worth considering. So the problem is what team is going to trade a young entry level contract NHL player for a 4th round draft pick?? That is going backwards, not forward.
There are options to trade either for a young player, prime year player, or veteran (not washed up). The Islanders can try to trade for a 24 year old or a 30+ year old. For the 4th overall pick a team would have to trade a good or upcoming player like JvR, but realistically would a team like Philadelphia do that? The chances of that happening is slim.
So who can the Islanders realistically get for a top four pick when there is no guarantee that 4th selected player will become a JvR or another young NHL player on a good contract. There is a reason why teams don't part with good young players on nice contracts for a draft pick.
Snow will make offers to free agents, but the problem with free agents they want to go on a winning team and get paid. The fact Wang puts the Islanders as one of the bottom paying teams in the entire NHL does not bode well for players wanting to compete and get paid.
It seems odd for Snow to acquire a declining player like Rolston at a $5,062,500 cap hit when most other teams would not have touched Rolston at that cap hit. I suppose salary cap floor may have been the motive, as his actual salary was $5 million, so the Islanders saved a whopping $62k.
Don't get me wrong, nothing more would make most NHL fans happy to see Wang get his arena deal and have the Islanders in Long Island given the heritage the team has.
It's just difficult to get a team to trade a good player on an excellent contract for a draft pick. Even at fourth overall, it would take a REALLY GOOD player to have Snow trade that pick, and it would be hard for any team to give up their top player or player + prospect + pick to make a deal for it. The best Snow can hope for is a team adding a player to move up, while the Islanders move down in the first round.
And your point was still baffling. And very much so. But you did a great job changing the subject.
Absolutely. Could you imagine Burke's reaction? This time Murray wouldn't be the one throwing bar stools.
Definitely not seeing the hilarity. For all we know Burke might be after Forsberg with the #5 pick. Or Dumba, who knows. Move up if you like but th Leafs will get the player they want at #5.
Definitely not seeing the hilarity. For all we know Burke might be after Forsberg with the #5 pick. Or Dumba, who knows. Move up if you like but th Leafs will get the player they want at #5.
You don't know that for sure. And I don't know they are after Galy. But I do suspect they are.
ok.Thanks for the advice.
). Burke screwed up big time by doing exactly what you're suggesting, and look where it has got him.
