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04-11-2012, 11:15 PM
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Marti-soft
Orpik
Mich-soft

I hope they can pick it up or it's our "trip is going to end real quick"

Also, is Bylsma going to fix:
-the hard opposing forecheck
-our soft defense plays nonchalant, wildly throws the puck to the far board
-(meanwhile our 3 forwards have released leaving 3 forecheckers in our zone)
-the opposing team then intercepts somewhere along the half-wall
-we then give up a great scoring chance
Repeat until the team gives up repeated goals...

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04-11-2012, 11:19 PM
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Yeah-

Marti-soft
Orpik
Mich-soft

I hope they can pick it up or it's our "trip is going to end real quick"

Also, is Bylsma going to fix:
-the hard opposing forecheck
-our soft defense plays nonchalant, wildly throws the puck to the far board
-(meanwhile our 3 forwards have released leaving 3 forecheckers in our zone)
-the opposing team then intercepts somewhere along the half-wall
-we then give up a great scoring chance
Repeat until the team gives up repeated goals...
I hate to burst your bubble, but Bylsma isn't going to fix any of that.

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04-11-2012, 11:20 PM
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04-11-2012, 11:26 PM
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I hate to burst your bubble, but Bylsma isn't going to fix any of that.
Seriously- have you noticed the same thing Ottawa, Buffalo, and Philly have done in multiple games?

You would swear it's a PP the way we just chase around not even close to the puck...

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04-11-2012, 11:28 PM
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Seriously- have you noticed the same thing Ottawa, Buffalo, and Philly have done in multiple games?

You would swear it's a PP the way we just chase around not even close to the puck...
In the +/- thread, I suggested there's a Steelers 'we do what we do and we don't change for anything' arrogance to it, and it starts with the coaching staff.

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04-11-2012, 11:34 PM
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In the +/- thread, I suggested there's a Steelers 'we do what we do and we don't change for anything' arrogance to it, and it starts with the coaching staff.
I think it has to do more with Bylsma's inability to make adjustments based on the other team's strategy than arrogance.

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04-11-2012, 11:36 PM
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I think it has to do more with Bylsma's inability to make adjustments based on the other team's strategy than arrogance.
Whether you call it inability or arrogance, it's the type of thing that costs you in the playoffs. It's no different than how he manages and exploits matchups (and matchups for Sid and Geno specifically). As long as he gets Staal on their top line, who cares about the other matchups?

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04-11-2012, 11:43 PM
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Whether you call it inability or arrogance, it's the type of thing that costs you in the playoffs. It's no different than how he manages and exploits matchups (and matchups for Sid and Geno specifically). As long as he gets Staal on their top line, who cares about the other matchups?
I agree. Especially in the Montreal series two years ago, he has done a terrible job in-game of putting his forwards against the most favorable matchups and the opposing coaches have taken advantage of this.

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I thought DB did decent job getting the matchups. CSK was against Giroux's line nearly every time.

Problem is...Philly is just deep...

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04-12-2012, 12:06 AM
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Martin is a huge pussbag and will never be benched........

Let's just hope Shero unloads his ass next year. Seriously. Period.

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04-12-2012, 12:06 AM
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Martin got beaten to virtually every puck that got put behind him, and when he did get there first, he promptly lost the battle. He plays without urgency or investment.
This x100.

I usually don't get a hate on for my own team's players, but Martin's really testing my patience.

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04-12-2012, 12:09 AM
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I thought DB did decent job getting the matchups. CSK was against Giroux's line nearly every time.

Problem is...Philly is just deep...
What will Laviolette do in Philly to change that? Answer: A lot more than Bylsma did to get the Malkin line away from the matchup Laviolette wanted.

One shift, Sid's line uses its speed to exploit the Coutorier with Grossman-Coburn unit, and it's a goal for Sid. The one or two or three times the Malkin line got away from that unit, it had a prime scoring chance (including against the vaunted Giroux line, which did nada in return).

So, wouldn't logic dictate to keep going after those matchups.

Saying 'well, we got Staal out against Giroux nearly every time' is the type of thing someone should hype after a road game, not a home game.

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04-12-2012, 12:13 AM
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The one whom we know as "PM" isn't worthy enough to be used as or in a username.

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04-12-2012, 12:19 AM
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Yeah, he needs traded.

Kyle Quincey got a 1st round pick, I'd take a 2nd for Martin, he's just not a good player for this team.

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04-12-2012, 12:20 AM
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devils fan here, martin is as soft as baby poop

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04-12-2012, 12:21 AM
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Yeah, he needs traded.

Kyle Quincey got a 1st round pick, I'd take a 2nd for Martin, he's just not a good player for this team.
I'd take a bag of pucks for Martin and thank the hockey gods for the 5M in cap relief. BUT, even I think he'll get more.

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04-12-2012, 12:22 AM
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devils fan here, martin is as soft as baby poop
While I appreciate what you're saying, I think you're being pretty harsh when it comes to the durability and steadiness of baby dung.

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04-12-2012, 12:24 AM
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While I appreciate what you're saying, I think you're being pretty harsh when it comes to the durability and steadiness of baby dung.
LOL. I watch his whole career with NJ. he has no edge, no intensity, no push,,, he doesnt actively engage the puck carrier, too passive

he is as soft as baby diarrhea

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04-12-2012, 12:27 AM
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LOL. I watch his whole career with NJ. he has no edge, no intensity, no push,,, he doesnt actively engage the puck carrier, too passive

he is as soft as baby diarrhea
I know what you're saying on the engagement level. Thing is, on the Devils, with the trap and where the forwards really collapsed when they were in the zone, Martin was protected and actually could be quite useful.

On the Pens, where you get more of those clean dump ins and the in zone coverage is a convoluted zone, the emphasis shifts from Martin's stick work to his physical play.

At which point, he makes baby diarrhea look as hard as a million year old fossil cooled for a hundred thousand years in ice.

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04-12-2012, 12:40 AM
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I'm bored, overtired, and for the hell of it I'll ask this:

If we get rid of Martin this summer, what'll we do?? Trade him for another D-man, or for a winger for Sid?

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04-12-2012, 12:47 AM
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I'm bored, overtired, and for the hell of it I'll ask this:

If we get rid of Martin this summer, what'll we do?? Trade him for another D-man, or for a winger for Sid?
Anyone with a **** hockey pulse... Could our current D be more nonchalant and disinterested in hustling to puck or engaging with a forechecker?

My wife asked me what was wrong when we were up 3-0. I replied "We'll probably lose?" I'm not even mad because I could see it happening.

We could easily trade Orpik, Marti-soft, & Mic-soft and you would see a huge drop-off. Seriously, we could pay rookies to skate around like headless chickens and look that bad... I'd say package one/two for someone who actually *wants* to be on the ice not the current "****, really, I have to take a shift... well okay..."

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Yeah, he needs traded.

Kyle Quincey got a 1st round pick, I'd take a 2nd for Martin, he's just not a good player for this team.
and Quincey has tons of boneheaded moments

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There was one ****ing play in the third (before Briere's goal) where he literally let up and let a Flyer player got to the puck first on a dump in. He reminded me of someone trying to buy an icing call by taking the long route.

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04-12-2012, 01:34 AM
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I don't think Martin won a single race for a lose puck. He'e a ****ing ***** who's more worried about gettin hit than turning the puck over.

Dress Bort or Des over him or just dress 19 players, because he's ****ing terrible.

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I'm bored, overtired, and for the hell of it I'll ask this:

If we get rid of Martin this summer, what'll we do?? Trade him for another D-man, or for a winger for Sid?
Trade him for a winger or picks/prospects and sign a winger.

Honestly Desp couldn't be worse than Martin right now.

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