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View Poll Results: Who should the Oilers choose with their 2nd round pick?
Ludvig Bystrom 4 2.80%
Jordan Schmaltz 1 0.70%
Dalton Thrower 31 21.68%
Ville Pokka 1 0.70%
Stefan Matteau 0 0%
Tanner Pearson 2 1.40%
Jarrod Maidens 1 0.70%
Daniil Zharkov 0 0%
Tom Wilson 14 9.79%
Colton Sissons 2 1.40%
Henrik Samuelsson 62 43.36%
Scott Laughton 6 4.20%
Scott Komaschuk 0 0%
Cristoval Nieves 0 0%
Tim Bozon 2 1.40%
Malcolm Subban 13 9.09%
Oscar Dansk 4 2.80%
Other - List below in comments 0 0%
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I don't get why people are calling into local radio and thinking we should trade hall. Somehow he is expendable? Man, Edmonton is quickly forgetting what depth is.


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I don't get why people are calling into local radio and thinking we should trade hall. Somehow he is expendable? Man, Edmoton is quickly forgetting what depth is.
Shiny new toy syndrome?

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Terrific job man, i always look forward to reading your draft analysis every year.

Take Yakupov. That is all!!!

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Shiny new toy syndrome?
It's true, let's just keep trading our 1st round picks for more first round picks and never advance.

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Terrific job man, i always look forward to reading your draft analysis every year.

Take Yakupov. That is all!!!
Thanks for the support! More to come

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Wow nicely done! I was amazed at how much work you had done as I scrolled down.

I've only looked at Yakupov and Grig so far but I'm interested in reading through the rest when I'm able.
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Several of those players named the Oilers as their favourite team.
Thanks guys! I hope you all enjoy the read. I spent more time than I would like to admit working on this thing. If anyone has an interviews or anything they would like adde for a certain player please post it and I can add to the links above.

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This is one of the best sources on the draft out there. Incredibly comprehensive, i really enjoyed reading this. I like the fact that you cite so many sources, post any and all key info, and other avaliable rankings.

I think the Oilers have to take Yakupov, and it would certainly be interesting to see if Galchenyuk is a possibility to acquire. Tavares and Gagner are bff's so maybe a Gagner (maybe +Teubert) for NYI 1st would make sense. I'm not crazy about moving Gagner, but this might make sense for both teams. Most on HFboards think Gagner is too little, but i'd bet NY considers it. With Strome coming up though, i think they would want a defenseman, so i doubt they deal the pick.

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I don't get why people are calling into local radio and thinking we should trade hall. Somehow he is expendable? Man, Edmonton is quickly forgetting what depth is.
Although Gagner isn't at the same level, it seems to me since drafting Hopkins is making us want to move him for little to no good reason as well.

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My son played against Henrik Samuelsson at the Quebec Pee Wee tournament. Kid was a dirty player, got thrown out of the game for stomping on a player who had fallen with his skates. Curtis Joseph's kid played on that team as well.

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Hey Everyone! This is going to be a much shorter read then in previous years despite it being my favorite draft in a long time. I want to apologize for the delay in this years rankings and the lack of content. I actually completed most of my player profiles back in May but unfortunately lost them due to computer problems. I love doing this in my spare time but simply don't have the time to redo all of the profiles that I had previously done. I am not a professional scout and have real life obligations that take priority. Believe it or not, but I usually put 100's of hours of work in this and it's impossible to recreate on such short notice. If you have any questions about the rankings or a particular player, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer your questions. Once again, I apologize and promise to try that much harder next year.
Draft Overview
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I can't believe that it has already been an entire year since the 2012 NHL Draft in Pittsburgh. I hope that this draft guide lives up to expectations this year! This guide is just something that I like to do for myself to educate myself on the 50 best prospects eligible for the draft. I'm not here to convince anyone that a certain player is better than another prospect. Please feel free to come up with your own opinions and challenge your fellow board members to get the conversation going! I like to think of this as more of a compilation of information that will bring posters that don't have a chance to watch minor hockey a better understanding of this years top prospects. This is a hell of a draft year, so lets get started with an overview.

With the NHL lockout this year, the standings are significantly different then last year. Several teams that were in the playoffs last year are now drafting in the top 10, while the same is true for teams that have been stuck in the basement. Lets take a look at the Montreal Canadiens for example. Montreal selected Alex Galchenyuk 3rd overall last year and finished at the top of their division. It will be interesting to see where teams view themselves and how it will reflect their draft decisions. Will they remain patient because of one good/bad season or decide that they have finally turned the corner. The Edmonton Oilers are hoping that they fall in the latter but does that mean that they will move their pick come June 30th?

I'm really excited for this draft due to the high end talent and the depth of the 1st and second rounds. This is easily the best draft we have seen in a long time. I would compare the top of this draft to 2006 with the resemblances being uncanny. It is likely that a defenceman will go first overall while numerous franchise changing centers selected right after. However, that is where the comparison to 2006 ends. The rest of the first and second round have drawn comparisons to the infamous 2003 draft. I could see potential first line players or top pairing defencemen drafted late in the first round. The second round will also help separate this draft from years previous. Most years, I can slide some prospects into my top 50 that are "long shots" into making the NHL because of the lack of quality prospects. However, in 2013 I've had problems just trying to keep several can't miss prospects outside my top 50. Although it is unlikely that it will have the same impact as 2003, this is the closest a draft has come to matching the 2003 pedigree. The 2013 draft is full of interesting prospects and high scoring forwards.

How then, how does this draft breakdown? Well, it appears that their is a general consensus that the first player in this years draft is Seth Jones. That is where my first black line starts separating players. If a team is already stacked on defense, a guy like Nathan MacKinnon or Jonathan Drouin could potentially go first overall. Having said that, I think a team would be very unwise to pass on a generational talent like Seth Jones . After Jones, my next thick black line comes after the top 8. Aleksander Barkov, Elias Lindholm, Sean Monahan, Darnell Nurse and Valeri Nichushkin have really separated themselves from the rest of the draft. In previous years, they would all be locks for the top 5. You could argue that a few other prospects sort of round out the top 10-12 prospects. After that, I think their is another group of players of guys that will go between 12 and 25. These are players that I would normally say are "top 10" players in their draft year. Frederic Gauthier, Curtis Lazar, Bo Horvat, etc. are all deserving of this title. These are guys that aren't as complete/polished as the other players mentioned but could turn out to be the best player in the draft.. After that, I have several players from 25-35 range could go inside the top 20 if a team liked that player enough. That leads me to my next and final thick black line- around 50. These are all players that I believe could be taken in the first round.
Scouting Philosophy & Disclaimers
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1. Comparisons: I'm not a huge fan of comparing players for two reasons. One, each player styles their game after a bunch of other different players. Just because a guy models his game after someone, doesn't mean that he is a carbon copy. Still, it gives the average fan a very broad look of what style of player you are looking at. If a player is being compared to Scott Niedermayer, it doesn't mean he will be the next Niedermayer. It just means that they play a similar style. Secondly, just because something is similar between players, doesn't mean that everything is similar between players. If I were to compare Matt Dumba to PK Subban, it is only limited to his style of game. It doesn't mean that he has character issues like Subban does.

2. Projections: I tend to focus on how good a player is projected to be in a few years time rather than how good they are right now. I would rather draft a player that has shown proven in their development rather than a player that has peaked physically and won't be able to translate their game to the NHL level. Although this might seem like a simple point, it one that is often overlooked. Scouts tend to fall in love with those gritty players that have size and toughness but lack NHL skill. If I think two players are similar, I take the player that has better offensive instincts. A player can learn defense a lot easier than they can learn offense. Not that its easy to learn defense but I would rather have a guy that I have to control rather than a kid I have to motivate. If a player is pegged as a third line checker, he would have to have very little risk in his game to be considered above a guy who is projected to be a top 6 scorer.

3. Understanding Fallacies: One major fallacy that scouts have is basing their decisions on prior drafts and rankings. They say something like "Nikita Filatov was drafted 6th overall and didn't pan out. Theirs no way I take a Russian in the top 10" yet other highly touted Russian have been taken inside the top like like Alexander Ovechkin, Evgeni Malkin and Ilya Kovalchuck. On the flip side, lots of non-russian players have busted. Yes, Russians can go back to Russia but saying they are a bust because they are Russian is just simply not true.

4. Best Player Available: I always found this to be a term that people use in false dilemmas. They try and polarize BPA from need. Rather, team dynamics, depth charts systems, mentors, etc all play important parts of a kids development. Some players play better under different situations. Now clearly, you don't pass on a guy you feel is on a completely different level. I would be furious if we passed on Evgeni Malkin for Cam Barker. Clearly Malkin is the better player. Having said that, I think its unfair to compare Grigorenko with Malkin and Murray with Barker. Murray doesn't have the character issues that Barker has and Grigorenko isn't as good as Malkin. Teams have been drafting much more on need as of late but shouldn't do so when guys start to fall of the gap is significant. Obviously everyone's perception of gaps is different so BPA seems to be somewhat subjective.

5. Playoffs: One of the biggest mistakes scouts make is the emphasis on playoffs. I'm not saying that they aren't a good measuring stick but they aren't the be all end all. The fact is many players are taken high in their draft year to teams that are at the bottom of the league. I mean look at Edmonton, we have a ton of talent that hasn't made the playoffs. Would you take Zack Kassian over Taylor Hall because he is going to the playoffs? Obviously not. Also, the sample size of playoff games for most teams is incredibly small. What if that player just doesn't match up well against the other team? I think scouts are often late to the show for some players (fail to watch them all year) and their basis is entirely on playoff production.

2012: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=915727
2011: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=915727
2010: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=780117




RankPlayerTSNCSSTHNISSCBRRFCMKLWHPPOSSHHTWTDOBCURRENT TEAM
01 Seth Jones 021NA010201X010103X D R 6.04 208 Oct 3, 1994 Portland (WHL)
02 Nate MacKinnon 012NA030103X020202X C R 6.00 182 Sep 1, 1995 Halifax (QMJHL)
03 Jonathan Drouin 033NA020302X030301X LW L 5.10 182 Mar 27, 1995 Halifax (QMJHL)
04 Aleksander Barkov 041EU060504X040504X C L 6.03 207 Sep 2, 1995 Tappara (FIN)
05 Elias Lindholm 053EU040709X060405X C R 6.00 181 Dec 2, 1994 Brynas (SWE)
06 Sean Monahan 075NA070906X081106X C L 6.03 193 Oct 12, 1994 Ottawa (OHL)
07 Valeri Nichushkin 062EU050405X050608X RW L 6.04 191 Mar 4, 1995 Chelyabinsk (RUS)
08 Darnell Nurse 094NA080608X070810X D L 6.04 194 Feb 4, 1995 Sault Ste Marie (OHL)
09 Rasmus Ristolainen 084EU221125X122109X D R 6.04 196 Oct 27, 1994 TPS Turku (FIN)
10 Nikita Zadorov 1122NA140811X110712X D L 6.03 205 Apr 15, 1995 London (OHL)
11 Ryan Pulock 2312NA101430X141507X D R 6.01 201 Oct 6, 1994 Brandon (WHL)
12 Hunter Shinkaruk 146NA231314X092211X LW L 5.11 175 Oct 13, 1994 Medicine Hat (WHL)
13 Bo Horvat 1315NA161019X231419X C L 6.00 198 Apr 5, 1995 London (OHL)
14 Frederic Gauthier 228NA301821X162321X C L 6.05 210 Apr 26, 1995 Rimouski (QMJHL)
15 Curtis Lazar 1820NA091232X171220X C R 6.00 189 Feb 2, 1995 Edmonton (WHL)
16 Anthony Mantha 1510NA242416X182414X LW L 6.04 200 Sep 16, 1994 Val D-or (QMJHL)
17 Max Domi 1019NA152510X100913X C L 5.10 192 Mar 2, 1995 London (OHL)
18 Josh Morrissey 2827NA192115X151815X D L 6.00 184 Mar 28, 1995 Prince Albert (WHL)
19 Alex Wennberg 125EU111512X131318X LW L 6.00 173 Sep 22, 1994 Djurgardens (SWE)
20 Valentin Zykov 257NA311937X193228X RW R 6.01 214 May 15, 1995 Baie Comeau (QMJHL)
21 Adam Erne 2026NA13X20X282016X RW L 6.00 206 Apr 20, 1995 Quebec (QMJHL)
22 Kerby Rychel 2117NA212027X262522X LW L 6.01 200 Oct 7, 1994 Windsor (OHL)
23 Ryan Hartman 2616NA28X26X223626X RW R 5.11 187 Sep 20, 1994 Plymouth (OHL)
24 Shea Theodore 4411NA46X47X204933X D L 6.01 170 Aug 3, 1995 Seattle (WHL)
25 Mirco Mueller 169NA18X40XX1731X D L 6.03 185 Mar 21, 1995 Everett (WHL)
26 Robert Hagg 278EU12X48X241923X D L 6.02 204 Feb 8, 1995 Modo (SWE)
27 Madison Bowey 3632NA442224XX3529X D R 6.01 194 Apr 22, 1995 Kelowna (WHL)
28 Samuel Morin 1723NA20X13XX1036X D L 6.07 200 Jul 12, 1995 Rimouski (QMJHL)
29 JT Compher 3534NA412634X295617X C R 5.11 184 Apr 8, 1995 USNDT (USHL)
30 Andre Burakovsky 246EU171658X251625X RW L 6.01 176 Feb 9, 1995 Malmo (SWE)
31 Mike McCarron 3435NA2723NAXX33XX RW R 6.05 227 Mar 7, 1995 USNDT (USHL)
32 Jason Dickinson 3130NA35X28XX3438X LW L 6.01 165 Jul 4, 1995 Guelph (OHL)
33 Dillon Heatherington 4731NA452739XX4451X D L 6.02 185 May 9, 1995 Swift Current (WHL)
34 Steve Santini 4247NA651731XX4139X D R 6.02 207 Mar 7, 1995 USNDT (USHL)
35 Ian McCoshen 3924NA262838XX2937X D L 6.02 210 Aug 5, 1995 Waterloo (USHL)
36 Justin Bailey 4538NA34X51XX4041X RW R 6.04 182 Jul 1, 1995 Kitchener (OHL)
37 Chris Bigras 3214NA333035XX2740X D L 6.00 189 Feb 22, 1995 Owen Sound (OHL)
38 Nic Petan 3333NA422917X274627X C L 5.09 165 Mar 22, 1995 Portland (WHL)
39 Morgan Klimchuk 3025NA38X18X214232X C L 5.11 180 Mar 2, 1995 Regina (WHL)
40 Tristan Jarry 403NA682G50XX65XX G L 6.01 175 Apr 29, 1995 Edmonton (WHL)
41 Thomas Vannelli 4844NA37XNAXX30XX D R 6.02 165 Jan 26, 1995 Minnetonka (High-MN)
42 Jacob De la Rose 297EU29X57XX3134X C L 6.02 183 May 20, 1995 Leksands (SWE)
43 Laurent Dauphin 3828NA66X22XX3743X C L 6.00 166 Mar 26, 1995 Chicoutimi (QMJHL)
44 Oliver Bjorkstrand 5236NA53X55XX4849X LW R 5.11 164 Apr 10, 1995 Portland (WHL)
45 Zachary Fucale 191NA251G07XX2824X G L 6.00 166 May 28, 1995 Halifax (QMJHL)
46 Artturi Lehkonen 439EU36X23XX3930X RW L 5.10 163 Jul 4, 1995 Kalpa (FIN)
47 Connor Hurley 5745NA48X44X305050X C L 6.01 174 Sep 15, 1995 Edina High (High-MN)
48 Zach Nastasiuk 5113NA39X46XX51XX RW R 6.02 191 Mar 30, 1995 Owen Sound (OHL)
49 William Carrier 5018NA51XNAXX5445X LW L 6.00 205 Dec 20, 1994 Cape Breton (QMJHL)
50 Ryan Kujawinski HM63NA69X75XX73XX C L 6.02 202 Mar 30, 1995 Kingston (OHL)

*Rankings will be added as they are released. Updated heights and weights will also be changed once the official information is given. If you have any rankings that would like to be added or have purchased a guide with the complete rankings, please PM me and I will add them.

Mock Draft
RankTeamPlayer
1Colorado AvalancheSeth Jones
2Florida PanthersNathan MacKinnon
3Tampa Bay LightningJonathan Drouin
4Nashville PredatorsAleksander Barkov
5Carolina HurricanesValeri Nichushkin
6Calgary FlamesElias Lindholm
7Edmonton OilersSean Monahan
8Buffalo SabresRasmus Ristolainen
9New Jersey Devils Nikita Zadorov
10Dallas StarsHunter Shinkaruk
11Philadelphia FlyersDarnell Nurse
12Phoenix CoyotesBo Horvat
13Winnipeg JetsMax Domi
14Columbus Blue JacketsFrederik Gauthier
15New York IslandersRyan Pulock
16Buffalo SabresAdam Erne
17Detroit Red WingsCurtis Lazar
18Ottawa SenatorsAlexander Wennberg
19Columbus Blue JacketsAnthony Mantha
20San Jose SharksRyan Hartman
21Toronto Maple LeafsKerby Rychel
22Washington CapitalsJoshua Morrissey
23Columbus Blue JacketsMirco Mueller
24Vancouver CanucksAndre Burakowsky
25Calgary FlamesSamuel Morin
26Dallas Stars Madison Bowey
27Montreal Canadiens Valentin Zykov
28Anaheim Ducks JT Compher
29Calgary FlamesZach Fucale
30Chicago BlackhawksNic Petan
31Florida PanthersShea Theodore
32Colorado AvalancheJason Dickinson
33Tampa Bay LightningRobert Hagg
34Montreal CanadiensMorgan Klimchuk
35Carolina HurricanesJustin Bailey
36Montreal CanadiensIan McCoshen
37Edmonton OilersMike McCarron


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RankPlayerTSNCSSTHNISSCBRRFCMKLWHPPOSSHHTWTDOBCURRENT TEAM
01 Aaron Ekblad XXXXXXXXXX D R 6.04 216 Feb 07, 1996 Barrie (OHL)
02 Sam Reinhart XXXXXXXXXX C R 6.01 185 Nov 06, 1995 Kootenay (WHL)
03 Sam Bennett XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.00 200 Jan 01, 1996 Kingston (OHL)
04 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
05 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
06 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
07 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
08 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
09 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
10 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
11 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
12 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
13 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
14 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
15 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
16 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
17 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
18 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
19 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
20 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
21 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
22 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
23 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
24 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
25 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
26 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
27 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
28 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
29 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
30 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
31 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
32 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
33 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
34 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
35 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
36 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
37 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
38 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
39 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
40 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
41 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
42 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
43 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
44 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
45 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
46 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
47 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
48 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
49 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)
50 XXXX XXXXXXXXXX C L 6.06 200 Jan 01, 1996 XXXX (OHL)

*Rankings will be added as they are released. Updated heights and weights will also be changed once the official information is given. If you have any rankings that would like to be added or have purchased a guide with the complete rankings, please PM me and I will add them.

Mock Draft
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I just don't see Edmonton having a package capable of getting a top 5 pick. I mean Jeff Carter is going to a pick in the 15-30 range so Gagner isn't getting anything higher IMHO. Maybe if a team really likes Gagner and Paajarvi we could package them to get another top 10 pick.
You mean Carter only returned a mid 1st, or a player of Carter's caliber will be avaliable in that range? If it's the former, i'd argue that the 1st wasn't the principle asset in the Carter deal. I don't think NYI does it, but i could see why they would covet Gagner. For all of the Gagner hate on here, there is only 3 centers (O'Reilly, Stepan, and Henrique) this year, who weren't the first center taken in their draft year (i.e. Stamkos, Tavares, Seguin, Hopkins), to be both younger and higher scoring that Gagner. And Stepan/Henrique had very similar stats to Gagner. I think Gagner is worth a top 10 pick for sure, or else keep him.

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Superb stuff!

Very helpful in my quest to learn about Yakupov.

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The Draft Thread isn't quite at 1000 posts, but I figured this will basically become general draft talk, and the OP is more up-to-date.

Here are the last few posts in the last thread:

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I don't want them to trade it... but I certainly get the feeling as well that they are in "trade mode" with that pick... and it's likely not just the usual "we'll listen to any offers" type comments that every GM makes either.

I think the Oilers have a pretty good idea right now (Stu has said they've been watching him intensely all year... as I'm sure almost every NHL scout has) whether or not Yakupov fits with the core of this rebuild going forward.

If I had to just go with my gut feel I would say the Oilers want to parlay that pick into getting back 2 (or more) assets that might fill more holes than just Yakupov coming in. This certainly gives them that flexibility and I think they know they aren't a team that can acquire top UFA talent or get back solid pieces in trades without giving up more than they get.

This is a golden asset staring them in the face and I think they are going to be damn tempted to deal it. That asset doesn't have any connections to Edmonton yet... the fans won't crucify them for trading it away like they would if they traded Hall/Eberle/RNH to fill multiple holes in the roster.

Would I trade Yakupov away? With the type of potential and dynamic play that he'll bring to that roster... no damn way.

I just think the Oilers management are likely thinking very differently. Of course if a decent offer doesn't come along then they'll keep the pick and take him as they aren't that stupid (hopefully) to draft an obviously lesser player... but I have a feeling there WILL be a deal from another team that they accept.

Yakupov is very likely the only player in this draft that has "franchise player" tattooed on his head... whether he reaches that potential is to be seen but some team out there will want to take a gamble on that chance... and that won't be the Oilers... I'm betting they'll take the less risky option and deal that pick for safer and more proven players.
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If Tambellini wants to get fired he'll trade the pick. That's a huge risk to take. Even if you take Yakupov and he doesn't pan out, there's nothing you can really do. But if you trade the pick and he turns into a franchise player and you don't win the trade? You don't normally "win" when you trade away a top pick.

That would be a quick ticket out of Edmonton.
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Your probably right, but I'm not sure we'll be able to get the value coming back.

I mean, if we're trading the 1st overall pick, we should expect a guy with the ability of Pietrangelo coming back.

The problem is, unless there is friction between the organization and the player, teams don't really trade those types of players.

So unless they are thinking of getting a talented young D-man with a few deficiencies in his game (Subban), then I'm not sure it's possible to get fair value on trading the 1st overall.

I still think this is more "we'll listen to offers, but I doubt we trade the pick" type business here.

Or I hope it is.
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Tambo has said that each of the last two years, but I never got the sense he was really considering trading it. Every time I've heard him talk since they've won the lottery now has been about how there are all sorts of options for them to make a move and add a piece while still getting a good prospect.
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Imo, stuff like that could mean guys like MPS/Hemsky being on the block.

Tambo would have to have Paul Holmgren type balls of steel to trade down from Yakupov to get Murray + 2nd pairing D-man prospect, and that's if he absolutely positively trusts his pro-scouts to hit a HR like he trusts Stu. (these guys have been less than stellar, which would be understatement)

He has a ton of options, but I severely doubt he trades Yakupov(or the pick). The guy has a VERY good chance of being a perennial all-star and a good chance at being a 40g scorer.

Instead, my belief would be he's seriously contemplating trading MPS.

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I don't get why people are calling into local radio and thinking we should trade hall. Somehow he is expendable? Man, Edmonton is quickly forgetting what depth is.
if we trade Hall, I will be sick. If we could somehow, in some fashion trade Gagner + for Galchenyuk, I would be down with that.

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Although Gagner isn't at the same level, it seems to me since drafting Hopkins is making us want to move him for little to no good reason as well.
I think we can put Parjaavi in that same boat. Whats wrong with him being your 3rd LW? Didn't he play 3rd LW as a rookie and pop in 15 goals and reasonable in his own end. He may not turn into a 20-25 goal guy and that's ok we seem to have enough fire power. Its not like hes gonna demand a huge slalary, groom him to be a part of effective third line that PKs. I know everyone is gonna say hes gotta be more physical and I agree but there a lot of effective teams that aren't overly physical(ie Detroit). Just some of my thoughts since all the proposals have been thrown out there since we won.

But, I think I have to disagree with you on Gagner. We basically have 4 (RNH, Eberle, Hemsky, Gagner) similar type of player in the top 6. None of them are overly physical and play a more ceberal game. The problem is and some will disagree but I believe he is the worst of them. Many will say Hemsky but I disagree. I just believe we need more of a balance in the top 6. I would preferably like a bigger and stronger C that will balance RNH more effectively.

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1. Aaron Ekblad : RH Defenceman
Height: 6'4" Weight: 216lbs
Barrie Colts (OHL): 45GP 19G 24A 43P -2 79PIM
Born: February 7th, 1996
Birthplace: Belle River, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Favourite Team: N/A


2. Sam Reinhart : RH Centre
Height: 6'1" Weight: 183lbs
Kootenay Ice (WHL): 47GP 31G 53A 84P +22 9PIM
Born: November 6th, 1995
Birthplace: North Vancouver, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: First Line Centre
Favourite Team: N/A


3. Sam Bennett : LH Centre
Height: 6'0" Weight: 181lbs
Kingston Frontenacs (OHL): 47GP 29G 50A 79P +33 99PIM
Born: June 20th, 1996
Birthplace: Richmond Hill, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: First Line Centre
Favourite Team: N/A


4. Michael Dal Colle : LH Left Wing
Height: 6'2" Weight: 172lbs
Oshawa Generals (OHL): 56GP 34G 47A 81P +11 32PIM
Born: June 20th, 1996
Birthplace: Richmond Hill, Germany
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: First Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


5. Leon Draisaitl : LH Centre
Height: 6'1" Weight: 209lbs
Prince Albert Raiders (WHL): 50GP 25G 50A 75P -8 20PIM
Born: October 27th, 1995
Birthplace: Köln, Germany
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: First Line Centre
Favourite Team: Detroit Red Wings


6. Nick Ritchie : LH Left Wing
Height: 6'3" Weight: 236lbs
Peterborough Petes (OHL): 48GP 30G 28A 58P +1 116PIM
Born: December 5th, 1995
Birthplace: Orangeville, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: First Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


7. Brendan Perlini : LH Left Wing
Height: 6'3" Weight: 205lbs
Niagara IceDogs (OHL): 46GP 28G 33A 61P -4 24PIM
Born: April 27th, 1996
Birthplace: Shelby Township, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


8. Jared McCann : LH Centre
Height: 6'1" Weight: 175lbs
Niagara IceDogs (OHL): 55GP 25G 27A 52P +5 42PIM
Born: May 31st, 1996
Birthplace: Stratford, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Centre
Favourite Team: N/A


9. Nikolaj Ehlers : LH Left Wing
Height: 6'0" Weight: 163lbs
Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL): 53GP 33G 44A 77P +45 45PIM
Born: February 14th, 1996
Birthplace: Aalborg, Denmark
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


10. Haydn Fleury : LH Defenceman
Height: 6'3" Weight: 198lbs
Red Deer Rebels (WHL): 57GP 7G 31A 38P +12 38PIM
Born: July 8th, 1996
Birthplace: Carlyle, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Favourite Team: N/A


11. Kasperi Kapanen : RH Right Winger
Height: 6'0" Weight: 181lbs
Kalpa (FIN): 39GP 5G 5A 10P -5 10PIM
Born: July 23rd, 1996
Birthplace: Kuopio , Finland
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


12. Jake Virtanen : RH Left Winger
Height: 6'0" Weight: 213lbs
Calgary Hitmen (WHL): 58GP 36G 20A 56P +20 85PIM
Born: Aug 17th, 1996
Birthplace: Abbotsford, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


13. William Nylander: RH Left Winger
Height: 5'11" Weight: 170lbs
Rogle (SWE): 18GP 4G 4A 8P +0 10PIM
Born: May 1st, 1996
Birthplace: Calgary, Canada
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


14. Ivan Barbashev: LH Left Winger
Height: 6'0" Weight: 181lbs
Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL): 43GP 23G 40A 63P -3 27PIM
Born: December 14th, 1995
Birthplace: Moskva, Russia
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


15. David Pastrnak: RH Right Winger
Height: 6'0" Weight: 176lbs
Södertälje (SWE): 36GP 8G 16A 24P +7 24PIM
Born: May 25th, 1996
Birthplace: Havirov, Czech Republic
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


16. Adrian Kempe: LH Left Winger
Height: 6'2" Weight: 187lbs
Modo (SWE): 39GP 4G 6A 10P +5 12PIM
Born: September 13th, 1996
Birthplace: Kramfors, Sweden
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Winger
Favourite Team: N/A


17. Kevin Fiala: LH Centre
Height: 5'11" Weight: 194lbs
HV71 (SWE): 11GP 3G 7A 10P +2 6PIM
Born: July 22nd, 1996
Birthplace: XXXX, Switzerland
NHL Comparable: N/A
Projection: Second Line Centre
Favourite Team: N/A


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I have been chatting with a bunch of non oiler fans, and they've mentioned a burke like deal where we go after both Sarnia boys...

What would it take in your mind or if its even a possibilty?

Hall Gagner Plante to T.O or NYI

5th overall Gardiner plus

4th overall Hamonic 2nd rd 2012

Thoughts? am I dreaming?

lineup of:

Harti RNH Ebs
Hemsky Galy Yak

Smid Petry
Schultz Hamonic
Whitney (signed J. Schultz

Dreaming...
I'm sorry, I don't usually do this but that is just awful. You are way beyond dreaming to think that the Oilers would do either of those trades. Just stupid, Hall alone wouldn't be moved for either of those deals.

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Oilers won't move Hall or Eberle or RNH. They are established as the core moving forward. The only huge asset that they will move is this #1 pick which has monumental value right now.

I think there is at least one GM out there that will literally pay the moon for that pick. He could be the next Bure for crying out loud. No guarantees of course... but what if he does become that good? There will be a GM out there that will take a calculated risk that he WILL be that good.

I'm not sure how it will happen... maybe even a 3 way deal or even a 4 way deal ... but I'm betting the Oilers trade that pick because they won't be able to resist the tremendous offer they will get in return.

My guess is 2 of the following 3 will be received by the Oilers:
A) a top dman
B) a solid #2 centre
C) a very good goalie

The Oilers are going to go with quantity for quality (although they'll get solid players in return no doubt). I just have a gut feeling a team out there will want that "Franchise Player" that Yakupov may bring... and the Oilers will see that as expendable as they already have 3 franchise players... filling holes and adding depth is what they now want to focus on and this will give them the opportunity that they can't turn down.

This is of course a dangerous situation because there is a high chance of being burned if Yakupov turns into a multi-50 goal scorer but I'm also convinced the Oilers will take the "2 in the hand" mentality over the "1 in the bush". This management group isn't one to take risks and I have a strong feeling if a solid looking offer containing established NHL players is handed to them... they'll take it.

I also have a gut feeling Columbus ends up with the #1 pick again somehow... and TO will make some sort of huge move also which will twist up the top of the draft order as well.

Should be a very interesting draft as I can definitely see some big trades and jggling of the draft order this year... more than in years past.

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Oilers won't move Hall or Eberle or RNH. They are established as the core moving forward. The only huge asset that they will move is this #1 pick which has monumental value right now.

I think there is at least one GM out there that will literally pay the moon for that pick. He could be the next Bure for crying out loud. No guarantees of course... but what if he does become that good? There will be a GM out there that will take a calculated risk that he WILL be that good.

I'm not sure how it will happen... maybe even a 3 way deal or even a 4 way deal ... but I'm betting the Oilers trade that pick because they won't be able to resist the tremendous offer they will get in return.

My guess is 2 of the following 3 will be received by the Oilers:
A) a top dman
B) a solid #2 centre
C) a very good goalie

The Oilers are going to go with quantity for quality (although they'll get solid players in return no doubt). I just have a gut feeling a team out there will want that "Franchise Player" that Yakupov may bring... and the Oilers will see that as expendable as they already have 3 franchise players... filling holes and adding depth is what they now want to focus on and this will give them the opportunity that they can't turn down.

This is of course a dangerous situation because there is a high chance of being burned if Yakupov turns into a multi-50 goal scorer but I'm also convinced the Oilers will take the "2 in the hand" mentality over the "1 in the bush". This management group isn't one to take risks and I have a strong feeling if a solid looking offer containing established NHL players is handed to them... they'll take it.

I also have a gut feeling Columbus ends up with the #1 pick again somehow... and TO will make some sort of huge move also which will twist up the top of the draft order as well.

Should be a very interesting draft as I can definitely see some big trades and jggling of the draft order this year... more than in years past.
I don't think any GM will offer anything close to what it would take to trade the #1. Of course if there is pressure off a playoff round loss then they might inquire but from their point of view trading proven for a prospect is ludicrous.

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It would take something like this:

No.1 Overall + Sam Gagner

for

Tyler Myers + Cody Hodgson

To get the Oilers listening IMO. It would have to set the Oilers up for the next 7+ years.

I don't think the Oilers place as much value on a goalie unless it's someone like Carey Price, but honestly Devan Dubnyk was pretty solid this year especially down the stretch, his numbers are more comparable to most young goalies. He earned a chance at the no.1 spot for next season.

I can see Burke trading his pick (no.5) + Reimer for Rick Nash.


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It would take something like this:

No.1 Overall + Sam Gagner

for

Tyler Myers + Cody Hodgson

To get the Oilers listening IMO. It would have to set the Oilers up for the next 7+ years.

I don't think the Oilers place as much value on a goalie unless it's someone like Carey Price, but honestly Devan Dubnyk was pretty solid this year especially down the stretch, his numbers are more comparable to most young goalies. He earned a chance at the no.1 spot for next season.

I can see Burke trading his pick (no.5) + Reimer for Rick Nash.
The thing I think some people aren't quite getting... I mean they know that Yakupov is above everyone in this draft (and not by a small amount)... but Yakupov has the potential to be an explosively good talent. That's the kind of player that not only gets butts in seats and sells tickets but it also gets fans excited. He has the potential to be a "franchise saver". There is certainly no one else in this draft with THAT type of ability even if others may be close in talent.

Think about that for a moment and think what teams may be in the market for that kind of marquee player.

Again, I personally wouldn't trade the pick but I have a feeling there will be a deal too good to pass up (not on the Lindros scale but a couple notches down from that).

It could be just irrational exuberance on my part to think that, but I just get that feeling that at least 1 management group from all the teams that missed the playoffs (plus from those teams that make early exits in the playoffs)... will roll the dice and make a huge offer.

Yakupov has injury concerns but we'll see how the Combine goes and all the interviews. If he comes through that with flying colours it's going to be interesting (and surprising) seeing what teams take a stab at trying to acquire him.

Just as an example:

Columbus trades Nash to TO for Gardiner and 5th overall pick.
Columbus trades Gardiner, Johansen and #5 pick (or Columbus keeps that pick and sends a 2nd rounder to the Oilers) to Edmonton for the #1 pick.

TO ends up with Nash... who gives them the power winger they REALLY want.

Columbus ends up with #1 and #2 (and possibly even the # 5 pick as well) ... getting them two (or 3) premier prospects... one being Yakupov who's a potential "franchise saver".

Oilers end up with Gardiner and Johansen, filling 2 holes... plus (possibly the #5 pick or an early 2nd rounder). They can't turn that deal down.

Now does that sequence make sense? Well maybe you throw in some extra bits and pieces to equalize but I think the core is there to make a scenario similar to that happen. In fact I'd bet something like that WILL happen this year as the stars are all aligned.

Oilers are very open to trading the pick to fill multiple holes, Toronto desperately wants to make a move to finally push them over the hump and Columbus HAS to do something to instil some hope for the future to save that franchise which is quickly spiralling down the tubes.


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Like before, absolutely fantastic read this year too...

...But... one thing that seemed a bit weird is that you said Teräväinen had "weak" numbers. His numbers are absolutely fantastic for a player that age. Granlund's stats shouldn't be used as a "measuring stick".

Given that you barely mentioned that Collberg had 0 points in 41 GP it seems a bit unfair.

Other than that, great read

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if we trade Hall, I will be sick. If we could somehow, in some fashion trade Gagner + for Galchenyuk, I would be down with that.
Why dont we trade Horcoff+ for Malkin while were at it?

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