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08-29-2012, 04:11 PM
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http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1366

Decent write up on our prospects but Lehner outside of our top 10 is laughable.

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08-29-2012, 04:26 PM
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I agree.

Give him 44. I've always liked big powerful players wearing #44, whether they're forward or defense.
Patrick Eaves wore #44. That pretty much makes it the best number ever.

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Hmmm, interesting.

While I agree with most of what you said, I also think an NHL team wouldn't want to waste Monahan's solid defensive play by having him hang out around the boards.
Isn't that what everyone on hf wants to do with Zib? Zibby's best asset by far is his endless motor and ability to manhandle his oppoenent down low in the defensive zone and take the puck to go the other way.

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Apologies in advance if this has already been posted somewhere else, but here's a nice little article about Wiercioch. It says he's been working on conditioning (together with Turris) over the summer. Also they talk about his injury.

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08-29-2012, 05:54 PM
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Patrick Eaves wore #44. That pretty much makes it the best number ever.



Isn't that what everyone on hf wants to do with Zib? Zibby's best asset by far is his endless motor and ability to manhandle his oppoenent down low in the defensive zone and take the puck to go the other way.
And I'm one of the few who voted to keep Zib at center.

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08-29-2012, 06:17 PM
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Patrick Eaves wore #44. That pretty much makes it the best number ever.



Isn't that what everyone on hf wants to do with Zib? Zibby's best asset by far is his endless motor and ability to manhandle his oppoenent down low in the defensive zone and take the puck to go the other way.
His best asset is his shot and ability to get the puck on net. I think you described Karlsson.

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08-29-2012, 07:51 PM
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6. Stephane Da Costa, Center
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woaaaaah hes from the future......

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His best asset is his shot and ability to get the puck on net. I think you described Karlsson.
He's talking defensively. Karlsson doesn't really man handle anyone. Zbad is a beast physically in the dzone.

Count me in the group that wants him to stay at centre. He'd potentially be an elite 3rd line centre. Shut down ability and scoring ability.

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08-29-2012, 08:03 PM
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He's talking defensively. Karlsson doesn't really man handle anyone. Zbad is a beast physically in the dzone.

Count me in the group that wants him to stay at centre. He'd potentially be an elite 3rd line centre. Shut down ability and scoring ability.
That's illogical to me. Waste of a talent to put Zibanejad on a third line for his whole career.

He is an offensive forward first and foremost.

He is a Top 6 winger. Get used to that, everyone.

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Playing on the 3rd line doesn't mean his offence will be wasted. He'll still be one of our top PP players getting plenty of offensive playing time.

1C-20-22mins
2C-18-20mins
3C-15-18mins
4C-6-10mins

Thats my ideal situation. Zbad playing 15-18 mins a game. 3 lines rolling every game.

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That's illogical to me. Waste of a talent to put Zibanejad on a third line for his whole career.

He is an offensive forward first and foremost.

He is a Top 6 winger. Get used to that, everyone.
I still think it's kinda a waste to turn him into a Scott Hartnell when he can turn into a Ryan Kesler (or even a Bobby Holík) instead. It's really a waste of the defensive dimension he brings to the ice surface through his physical attributes. It's really hard to find centers that are big and strong enough to contain big strong franchise type first line centers, while also bringing an offensive threat going the other way.

Don't bring up him becoming a Marian Hossa or Alexander Ovechkin (lite), because he has about as much chance of becoming that as he has of becoming a Mats Sundin or Peter Forsberg.

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A more physical Dainius Zubrus I think could be a good comparison for Zbad in the NHL.

Fantastic defensively, physical, uses his massive frame to his benefit and has 500+ points.

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08-29-2012, 09:05 PM
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He's been a winger the last year or so. He said himself he is a winger. Zubrus isn't a good comparison. The Swedish guy who said that only said that because they both start with Z.

The lineup will (trades etc. notwithstanding) look like this in a couple of years:

Zibanejad-Spezza-Michalek
Silfverberg-Turris-Stone (combos are irrelevant, that's your Top 6)
?-Smith-Noesen
Greening-O'Brien-Neil

? can be Hoffman, whoever.

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08-29-2012, 09:07 PM
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I think that Zibby will begin his career as a winger. However, he's going to get a chance to test his abilities at center at some point, 100%.

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08-29-2012, 11:18 PM
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Decent write up on our prospects but Lehner outside of our top 10 is laughable.
Pronman holds the unpredictability of goaltending prospects against them. I agree to an extent, but I think he's too harsh.

I like Pronman and the way he interacts on twitter, but if he was right most of the time he'd probably be working a better job.

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08-30-2012, 04:48 PM
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Pronman holds the unpredictability of goaltending prospects against them. I agree to an extent, but I think he's too harsh.

I like Pronman and the way he interacts on twitter, but if he was right most of the time he'd probably be working a better job.
Yeah as long as you understand the way he undervalues goalies, it's no big deal. Other than that, I like his player assessments.

BTW, he did Florida today. He has Markstrom as the Panther's 11th ranked prospect.

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08-30-2012, 06:28 PM
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Yeah as long as you understand the way he undervalues goalies, it's no big deal. Other than that, I like his player assessments.

BTW, he did Florida today. He has Markstrom as the Panther's 11th ranked prospect.
It's a little bit absurd sometimes. Thing is over time, half those stud goalie prospects will fail and he'll be seen as right for anyone that does.

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08-30-2012, 07:11 PM
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I love Patty Wiercioch. I hope he has a big season.

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08-30-2012, 07:13 PM
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Zibanejad should play center, he has everything you'd want in a dominant two-way center.

He's very similar to Ryan Kesler

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08-30-2012, 08:39 PM
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Pronman is the prime example of a guy who doesn't know the difference between being a writer and being a scout. More and more journalists these days think they have a mind for the game when it's clear they are just writers and sometimes advanced stat ****ers.

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Pronman is the prime example of a guy who doesn't know the difference between being a writer and being a scout. More and more journalists these days think they have a mind for the game when it's clear they are just writers and sometimes advanced stat ****ers.
He's no Marklar that's for sure.

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I love Patty Wiercioch. I hope he has a big season.
It will be interesting to see what he can do with a little more mass on his frame.

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It will be interesting to see what he can do with a little more mass on his frame.
I was thinking the same thing. He is at 200 or 210 now which should allow him to compete better. I think he will see a good 20+ games in the NHL this season.

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Pronman is the prime example of a guy who doesn't know the difference between being a writer and being a scout. More and more journalists these days think they have a mind for the game when it's clear they are just writers and sometimes advanced stat ****ers.
Was he a writer before being a metrics geek?

Seriously, anyone know his background.

I often give credence to his opinions the same way I do for some people that post here. I'm more interested in his 2nd hand information coming from actual NHL hockey people.

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Was he a writer before being a metrics geek?

Seriously, anyone know his background.

I often give credence to his opinions the same way I do for some people that post here. I'm more interested in his 2nd hand information coming from actual NHL hockey people.
Pronman's stuff is great. He puts his rationale out there and justifies his writing with a lot of detail.

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but he's not a scout. It's like taking the advice of a receptionist on what could be the cause of your heart murmur, instead of getting the opinion of an actual doctor

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