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Would you trade Kessel ?

View Poll Results: Would you trade Kessel ?
Yes, he must go 15 4.72%
No, we need him 130 40.88%
Yes. But only for the right offer. 173 54.40%
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04-12-2012, 11:47 AM
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It's true that Kessel's game isn't a perfect fit for Carlyle but I have every bit of confidence that Carlyle will use Kessel's strengths and work to improve his weaknesses. There aren't many players in the league that can score 30+ goals (and have the ability to to 40), play strong defensively and bring a physical element to their game. But in Kessel we have our first point per game player since Mats. He's an unbelievable goal scorer, scoring 30+ goals every season he's been here despite playing with players nowhere near his talent level. He has a much underrated passing ability, and his speed backs defenders off like few others'. Kessel's defensive game has improved since coming here and we're starting to get him some linemates that can actually contribute to the plays Kessel makes. Did I mention he's not even 25 yet?

We should keep him, he's a great player.

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It's a big risk.

I think his production will drop under Carlyle, and this could be his peak value.


Or....


Carlyle turns him into a more well rounded player and he dominates.

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04-12-2012, 11:49 AM
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Yes, without question.

Not a player you build a team around. IMO
What would expect to be a reasonable return?

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04-12-2012, 11:52 AM
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What would expect to be a reasonable return?
Less than what it cost to acquire him.

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People seem to struggle to grasp that two contradictory things can be true at the same time. Yes, it was a bad trade, but, also, yes, he is our only elite player, one who has done exactly what he was brought to the team to do: rack up lots of offense. I doubt seriously that the Leafs could even come close to getting his value in return. So, no, barring some insanely miraculous offer that included Malkin or someone of that stature, I would not trade him.

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Less than what it cost to acquire him.
No idea in other words.

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Absolutely. He isn't a good fit for a Carlyle style team.
Is that why he gets double shifted with Carlyle but never did with Wilson? Seems you know everything!

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No idea in other words.
I leave the random guessing and trade proposals for the most part to others on the board, other than when a player is actually rumoured to be available.

I've already said I'd have no issue parting with Kessel in a deal that would return Rick Nash for example.

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no one is building around him.
we are building around phaneuf!!!

as for trading phil, it has to be the right offer.


like:
we'll take seguin and hamilton, boston can keep knight for all their troubles

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04-12-2012, 12:04 PM
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Is that why he gets double shifted with Carlyle but never did with Wilson? Seems you know everything!
His ice time remained about the same. In fact Wilson played him 27 mins an 26 mins per in back to back this season. Caylye played him a measley 15 mins in a tough game.

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04-12-2012, 12:11 PM
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Kessel's inability to play defense negates a lot of what he produces offensively. I don't think losing him would impact the overall performance of the team very much. Acquiring him sure as hell didn't give us a jump in the standings.

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His ice time remained about the same. In fact Wilson played him 27 mins an 26 mins per in back to back this season. Caylye played him a measley 15 mins in a tough game.
So you didn't realize that he dropped kessels minutes not because of poor play, But rather because Steckel's checking line was increased to play against the other teams top lines??? You would make a Lousy coach and a lousier GM, Nuff said!

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Kessel's inability to play defense negates a lot of what he produces offensively. I don't think losing him would impact the overall performance of the team very much. Acquiring him sure as hell didn't give us a jump in the standings.
Kessel had a very hot start as well. In the last 41 games of the season he had 34 points. Not bad but but not a PPG either. He had 13 goals over the last 41 games.

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I don't think so..kids a PURE goal scorer and he is a great playmaker too...a point a game player this year imagine if he was given a big top line C..why does kessel need to be an exact fit for this carlyle system? Not every player has to be big and physical on this team for us to be successful..

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Absolutely. He isn't a good fit for a Carlyle style team.
u ever think randy isnt a god fit for this team

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u ever think randy isnt a god fit for this team
Possible. Overall the team itself is prob not a good fit for any coach.

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04-12-2012, 12:16 PM
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A PPG player, with 35-40 potential yearly...you don't trade that unless you can get a better offer.

That said, I wouldn't trade him for Nash, but definitely for Bobby Ryan.

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04-12-2012, 12:20 PM
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no one is building around him.
If the Leafs are not building around Kessel, their leading scorer than who are they building around?

If they aren't building around him as a building block, than it only further makes sense to deal him away to acquire those building block pieces instead wouldn't you say?.

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A PPG player, with 35-40 potential yearly...you don't trade that unless you can get a better offer.

That said, I wouldn't trade him for Nash, but definitely for Bobby Ryan.
Sometimes you give up a few points to add character and other intangibles.

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04-12-2012, 12:22 PM
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I keep scratching my head every time I see people on here wanting to trade the Leaf's only few star players. Kessel, Lupul, Kadri maybe one in the making. Here is a simple plan on how DYNASTIES were built such as the Oilers, Isles, Habs, etc etc.........They kept thier star players and kept adding star players!!! Too simple of a concept for people here to understand. No I would not trade Kessel!

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I don't think so..kids a PURE goal scorer and he is a great playmaker too...a point a game player this year imagine if he was given a big top line C..why does kessel need to be an exact fit for this carlyle system? Not every player has to be big and physical on this team for us to be successful..
stop it with this crap, he was given a top 5 winger that was a ppg player. they both benefited from each other, bozak was a trooper on that line, he was the only one who was defensively responsible on that line. the problem was they couldn't sustain any pressure on the other team, bozie and kessel are terrible on the boards, and lupul was terrible in the defensive zone. the line produced well, but they had flaws in other areas of the game (defense).

this thread sounds like another bash kessel thread because burke overpaid for him.

give the kid a break, he's doing what he was paid to do and that is scoring, but don't make excuses because he's not a franchise player.

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04-12-2012, 12:34 PM
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Sometimes you give up a few points to add character and other intangibles.
But not at the cost of 2.3 extra million dollars.

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But not at the cost of 2.3 extra million dollars.
I wasn't referring to any player in particular. Just the concept.

But I am sure Kessel will want his 7M or 8M per in his next contract. Will he be worth that much?

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But not at the cost of 2.3 extra million dollars.

That depends, for example the Blackhawks would never trade the Leafs Jonathan Toews for Phil Kessel no matter how many goals he scores or by how many points he outproduces him by.

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Absolutely. He isn't a good fit for a Carlyle style team.
I don't watch hockey either

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