Depends on the return. But it will take something significant to trade him. I doubt he's ever traded as long as Burke is the G.M.
Ya, BB's not moving him (for any realistic deal). Kessel is a great player, we just need a big name C to take the heat off. Who knows, maybe Alex Galchenyuk is the guy.
Ya, BB's not moving him (for any realistic deal). Kessel is a great player, we just need a big name C to take the heat off. Who knows, maybe Alex Galchenyuk is the guy.
Kessel's contract is likely over before he's ready to really contribute at the NHL level, we might not see him ever play with Kessel if we get him and Kessel doesn't re-sign.
Kessel is a potential UFA in 2 years and has the right to walk away at that time leaving the Leafs with nothing in return should that occur.
Rick Nash is guaranteed because of his contract status to give the Leafs 6 years of service minimum in return in the exchange.
So if some one asked would you rather have 2 years of Kessel or 6 years of Nash guaranteed, what would be the answer?
Besides when Kessel's deal expires, he will be asking for Nash like money so all financial/cap gain at that point would be irrelevant to the discussion of savings so its just the next couple of years where it would effect the teams cap situation.
Six years of Nash wouldn't be gauranteed. If it wasn't for him looking to get out of Town, this discussion doesn't take place.
You know what happens when yo fix a hole in your liferaft by ripping patches off other holes????
You sink!
There is no point trading Kessel until there is a suitable replacement for Kessel. He is signed until 2013/2014. That means he is here for the big FA market of 2013. Why not wait until then and see what can be lucked and what kind of team can be assembled before trading Kessel. Plus there is another TDD and 2 offseason to make moves to see what can be done. Maybe we can patch holes without trading him.
There may be a suitable replacement for Kessel there and maybe even a few other great players. Then once those players have been acquired, weakness canbe idnetified and Kessel can be traded then for the right peices.
No sense trading him now for maybe teh right peice and then finding out that we aqctually needed him.
Tired of trading then waiting for the replacement. I rather wait for the replacement then trade!
uh...both are very high on their offensive skill and selanne was always questioned about his defensive game, he worked damn well under carlyle.
Selanne is not afraid to get hit and Kessel is a rung below Selanne in the goal scoring dept. I don't see them as comparable at all outside of the fact that they can both snipe.
For an excellent return? Sure. For a poor return? No. Same as any other player, really. Including contracts, here are 20 players I'd easily trade him for (Kessel has 2 years left at $5.4 mil per year before becoming a UFA):
Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin
Backstrom
Weber (he's an RFA)
Giroux
Tavares
Stamkos
Seguin
RNH
Kopitar
Doughty
Lundqvist
Eberle
Hall
Toews
Kane
Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Benn
Then there are another 20 or so I'd have to think long and hard about (guys like Bobby Ryan, Duncan Keith, Spezza, Rinne, Patrice Bergeron, Landeskog, Couture, Letang, Myers, Kovalchuk, Yakupov, Datsyuk, Duchene, Skinner, Quick, Price, etc.).
If you wouldn't trade Kessel For Pietrangelo in a nannecond I think you're nuts.
22 years old. 25 min a night #1 dman and likely perennial Norris nominiee.
Had 51 points this year too.
Put Pietrangelo on a crappy team and lets see what happens with his stats. He's a very solid defenseman.. I'm not dissing the kid.. but he's had his best year on a great team in a system that is geared towards his strengths.
True studs (like Kessel) can produce no matter what team they're on. Kessel hasn't turned 25 yet and he just had 82 points in 82 games with Bozak as his main center.
Im sorry I have to do this here but the idiocracy on this board is at an all time high.
1. If you would trade Kessel straight up for Nash you are wrong. Saw 2 posters who mentioned that Nash's career high in goals is 41, kessel only 37. My reply, look at the last 3 seasons, Kessels GPG is much higher. Niether have had a center.
2. In reply to the issues with Kessel's play and character. If you call Kessel's character into question not only are you wrong, but bordering stupidity. As one bright poster mentioned, Kessel fought off cancer and missed only 12 games. Second, it was revealed Kessel had a wrist injury at the end of the season, took a cortisone shot to play despite the fact that the games were meaningless. Third, kessel may not be the smartest positional player but he rarely takes a night off. His cardio is also pretty good, and maybe very underrated. I have seen him wheel into the other zone on the end of shifts and no one else is anywhere near him
3. As for why we shouldnt trade Kessel for a defenceman like Pietrangelo the answer is simple.... do you want to kill our offence?? If we trade Kessel for a stud defenceman all we are doing is patching up a half-need opening a larger hole... a proven scoring winger. Remember how we tried for 10 seasons to get Sundin a scoring winger. We have decent enough defenceman to hold the fort, and there are some opportunities via draft, or free-agency to upgrade in this area
4. As for people pointing Kessel's drop in points under Carlyle to trade him now, I simply ask.... are you blind? What was different between the Leafs under Caryle and Wilson? 1. No Lupul. Remember in year 1 with Kessel we had just about every player on the team play with him... remember Mitchell, Blake, Stajan, Poni, later even Caputi. Well in the past 15 games he saw time with Ashton, Macarthur, Frattin, Lombardi, Connolly. Add the wrist injury
5. Yes Kessel had a worse 2nd half then 1st half, but I love the people using the 34 points in the last 41 games as a sample that his season was mainly a result of his really hot first 7 - 8 games. Reason I find it so funny is because these are the same people who get riled up when other point out that through 50 games the Leafs were comfortably in playoff position. Hypocracy no?
Nash has scored more goals in a season than Kessel and Kessel has done nothing for his franchise and his defensive play leaves something to be desired.
People shouldn't fear that Nash assist and point totals shouldn't also increase with Lupul on his other wing, just like Kessel had.
Nash is bigger, stronger, unafraid to go to the net and or play in traffic and you get the same amount of goals with much more intangibles tossed in the deal.
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People shouldn't fear that Nash assist and point totals shouldn't also increase with Lupul on his other wing, just like Kessel had.
Nash is bigger, stronger, unafraid to go to the net and or play in traffic and you get the same amount of goals with much more intangibles tossed in the deal.
Six years of Nash wouldn't be gauranteed. If it wasn't for him looking to get out of Town, this discussion doesn't take place.
Still a guaranteed contract no matter how you look at it, unless Nash wants to sit at home and not get paid of course which any player could do I suppose. Team is not obligated to trade him if they don't want to.
If Kessel didn't force his way out of Boston, we wouldn't be having this conversation either about if he should be traded.
Yes, due to the fact that he is most likely going to walk into UFA once his contract is up. The problem is Burke won't get anything close to what he paid for him.
One guy in the trade has a Stanley Cup. The guy who went the other way has not even played in a playoff game after three years. Proof enough for me.
Sorry dude but that is just moronic, So if I trade Lupul to the Penguins for Crosby straight up and they still win the cup they won the trade ? You might be able to argue that it did not hurt them that much etc etc but won the trade ? By your standard the Bruins won the Kaberle trade, who did almost nothing to help their cup run and then left them. If their GM could go back in time he would not have made the deal but he still won it ? Because GMs always regret the Trades they won ?
Sorry dude but that is just moronic, So if I trade Lupul to the Penguins for Crosby straight up and they still win the cup they won the trade ? You might be able to argue that it did not hurt them that much etc etc but won the trade ? By your standard the Bruins won the Kaberle trade, who did almost nothing to help their cup run and then left them. If their GM could go back in time he would not have made the deal but he still won it ? Because GMs always regret the Trades they won ?
Lupul has no chance of being better than Crosby. Seguin has a great chance of being better than Kessel.
Sorry dude but that is just moronic, So if I trade Lupul to the Penguins for Crosby straight up and they still win the cup they won the trade ? You might be able to argue that it did not hurt them that much etc etc but won the trade ? By your standard the Bruins won the Kaberle trade, who did almost nothing to help their cup run and then left them. If their GM could go back in time he would not have made the deal but he still won it ? Because GMs always regret the Trades they won ?
And the Thornton trade was won by Boston, even though none of those players trade back are there anymore
Yes, due to the fact that he is most likely going to walk into UFA once his contract is up. The problem is Burke won't get anything close to what he paid for him.
Hate this thinking.
If people continue to assume, they're just gonna push Kessel out the door, without him having an option to stay.
For an excellent return? Sure. For a poor return? No. Same as any other player, really. Including contracts, here are 20 players I'd easily trade him for (Kessel has 2 years left at $5.4 mil per year before becoming a UFA):
Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin
Backstrom
Weber (he's an RFA)
Giroux
Tavares
Stamkos Seguin
RNH
Kopitar Doughty Lundqvist
Eberle Hall
Toews Kane Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Benn
Then there are another 20 or so I'd have to think long and hard about (guys like Bobby Ryan, Duncan Keith, Spezza, Rinne, Patrice Bergeron, Landeskog, Couture, Letang, Myers, Kovalchuk, Yakupov, Datsyuk, Duchene, Skinner, Quick, Price, etc.).
People are forgetting that the cup-winning Anaheim team's leading scorer (Selanne) was medium sized, speedy, skilled and barely hit. Remind you of anyone?
Kessel can fit into a Carlyle system just fine. He just needs better line-mates.
People are forgetting that the cup-winning Anaheim team's leading scorer (Selanne) was medium sized, speedy, skilled and barely hit. Remind you of anyone?
Kessel can fit into a Carlyle system just fine. He just needs better line-mates.
Granted he needs better linemates but please, you cannot compare Teemu Selanee with Phil Kessel. Teemu competes ALL the time. He may not hit as much as he used to, but he's not scarred of his own shadow. The problem I have with Kessel is his compete level the way he gives up on plays, him freaking yawning on the bench? Hello? Are you bit interested Phil?
This is an illogical question. At least an incomplete one. It's like asking: "would you spend a million bucks if you had it to spend"?
A million bucks on what? beef jerky? real estate? tennis balls? shares in a profitable enterprise or venture?
Its all down to the return. What is available? And if whats available is more critical to our success than what he offers. Is it Kessel for Marc Andre Fleury or Hank Lundquist? Kessel for Shea Weber or Ryan Getzlaf?
A 24 year old capable of scoring 37 goals without the luxury of a legit 1C is a rare commodity. You don't pay what we paid and then treat the subject of his rights casually.
This is an illogical question. At least an incomplete one. It's like asking: "would you spend a million bucks if you had it to spend"?
A million bucks on what? beef jerky? real estate? tennis balls? shares in a profitable enterprise or venture?
Its all down to the return. What is available? And if whats available is more critical to our success than what he offers. Is it Kessel for Marc Andre Fleury or Hank Lundquist? Kessel for Shea Weber or Ryan Getzlaf?
A 24 year old capable of scoring 37 goals without the luxury of a legit 1C is a rare commodity. You don't pay what we paid and then treat the subject of his rights casually.
Well they obviously don't give him away, but he's the kind of player you add when you're close, not someone you build around.
It really doesn't matter how many goals he can score if they can't win hockey games, and the Leafs are not even close to what i've seen so far in the playoffs.
