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04-13-2012, 03:34 PM
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Why Wingnutjeff, I do believe you're trolling
I want them to finish every check on Weber. Some of the stuff about spearing and sneaky crosschecks... might be too soon for that.
You are calling 70% of the posters on this forum super-homers and you say that I am trolling?

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The truly disgusting part about all of this is that more than likely it was a marketing decision. The league knew that he should be suspended by any standard that has been used this year. They also knew that there would be outrage about it and they were correct. I have seen mention of this hit and lack of suspension in 6 or 7 news outlets that never even touch sports stories. So guess what, in sacrificing player safety they have gotten some extra publicity and probably a few extra rating points. I hope that they share the profits with Z.

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You are calling 70% of the posters on this forum super-homers and you say that I am trolling?

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Heaton is the one who said it's fine to be a super homer who overreacts, not me.

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Heaton is the one who said it's fine to be a super homer who overreacts, not me.
And he was referring to himself which is fine. But when you've been using the term you have been using it to insult others by implying that they have no hockey knowledge and are just a bunch of reactionaries.

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Kerry Fraser's take on the incident

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=393053

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Kerry Fraser's take on the incident

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=393053
Just another hysterical commentator


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It happened in the heat of the moment in a hockey game. It's a hockey play.
You don't understand the commonly accepted definition of "a hockey play," Bob. If you want to make up your own, go ahead, but you're then using a different language than that of hockey circles.

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I do not think it would be a big deal to suspend Weber 1 game, he deserved it, he targeted the head.
I do not get it why Shanahan did not do that.

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I do not think it would be a big deal to suspend Weber 1 game, he deserved it, he targeted the head.
I do not get it why Shanahan did not do that.
Weber might be Nashville's best player and he was a gold medallist for Canada. The NHL has always had two sets of rules for grunts and for stars and Canadian stars get an extra cushion as well.

They also know that if they suspend Weber and the Preds lose the game, the suspension will be seen as a deciding factor and though I don't think they instruct refs to call the game for Nashville, they don't exactly have a problem with Nashville advancing either.

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You don't understand the commonly accepted definition of "a hockey play," Bob. If you want to make up your own, go ahead, but you're then using a different language than that of hockey circles.
LOL.
I've watched and played enough hockey to know that things that take place after the whistle matter in the hockey game, so I call them hockey plays.

I don't have some fantasy about what's hockey and what's not. People who fall back on this are making things up.

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04-13-2012, 10:20 PM
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I played some OTP in NHL 12 last night and in every single game I played I ran into 1-2 guys who thought at best, he should've gotten a game and at worst should've been out all playoffs. Not one was a Wings fan. Every comment at PHT agrees with the consensus on this forum. Every comment section I've seen in general agrees with us. Professional writers agreed.

Are they all hysterical super homers? Bob, chill out with the gimmick. You're not the lone calm voice of reason and we're not all blinded with homerish rage. He smashed another man's face into solid hockey glass and cracked a helmet designed to take sticks and pucks at full force. Think about that. Maybe, just maybe, you like playing devil's advocate.

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04-13-2012, 11:28 PM
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LOL.
I've watched and played enough hockey to know that things that take place after the whistle matter in the hockey game, so I call them hockey plays.

I don't have some fantasy about what's hockey and what's not. People who fall back on this are making things up.
I'm not implying a fantasy or falling back on anything. Your insistence that Weber grabbing Hank's head, smashing it into the glass, and cracking his helmet is a "hockey play" is incorrect, in terms of how the phrase "hockey play" is commonly used in hockey culture. It certainly was in no way, shape, or form a hockey play in that sense. If you are just trying to argue that it's part of the game, or belongs in the game, or "matters" in the game, or whatever, then it seems you just chose the wrong phrase.

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I'm surprised Weber was willing to fight Bertuzzi. I'm glad he did because it meant taking Nashville's best player off the ice for 5 minutes in exchange for maybe Detroit's 10th best, but I figured he would be told to stay more disciplined than that (or try to pick a fight with someone better than Bert).

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I'm surprised Weber was willing to fight Bertuzzi. I'm glad he did because it meant taking Nashville's best player off the ice for 5 minutes in exchange for maybe Detroit's 10th best, but I figured he would be told to stay more disciplined than that (or try to pick a fight with someone better than Bert).
Weber was just going through the motions, the fight was a formality.

I'm still give Bert credit for "doing his job", but that wasn't a fight of passion or frustration, they both knew it had to happen and they did it. People that get all excited for fights like that are simple in my opinion. Weber still got away with a cheap-shot and that fight changes nothing, the Preds still need to get theirs.

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I'm surprised Weber was willing to fight Bertuzzi. I'm glad he did because it meant taking Nashville's best player off the ice for 5 minutes in exchange for maybe Detroit's 10th best, but I figured he would be told to stay more disciplined than that (or try to pick a fight with someone better than Bert).
Weber doesn't strike me as the most disciplined of guys. I think he'd have a hard time turning a guy down if he wanted to drop the gloves.

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LOL.
I've watched and played enough hockey to know that things that take place after the whistle matter in the hockey game, so I call them hockey plays.

I don't have some fantasy about what's hockey and what's not. People who fall back on this are making things up.
Haha you definitely havent played enough hockey to know **** if you think that was a hockey play. That play has happened twice in the NHL I'm pretty sure, one in a different league where head hits didnt matter and in this new era NHL where they do.

Basically everyone except you and Nashville fans are surprised there was no suspension. But yeah go ahead and tell guys who have played high level hockey that you've played enough to know that WWE move is a hockey play lol

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Haha you definitely havent played enough hockey to know **** if you think that was a hockey play. That play has happened twice in the NHL I'm pretty sure, one in a different league where head hits didnt matter and in this new era NHL where they do.

Basically everyone except you and Nashville fans are surprised there was no suspension. But yeah go ahead and tell guys who have played high level hockey that you've played enough to know that WWE move is a hockey play lol
So should we ddt or maybe throw a rock bottom. I am amazed that people defend that move I can see toolbox nashville fans who don't know a hockey puck from cow poop. But a wings fan?

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Basically everyone except you and Nashville fans are surprised there was no suspension.
I'm finding this to be accurate. All my NHL friends around the country were quite surprised Weber didn't get suspended. The most common theory is that Shanny didn't want to appear to favor the Wings, but honestly it just appears to be star player preferred treatment like the NHL has always done.

Your moment of zen:


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Haha you definitely havent played enough hockey to know **** if you think that was a hockey play. That play has happened twice in the NHL I'm pretty sure, one in a different league where head hits didnt matter and in this new era NHL where they do.

Basically everyone except you and Nashville fans are surprised there was no suspension. But yeah go ahead and tell guys who have played high level hockey that you've played enough to know that WWE move is a hockey play lol
Heaton, an admitted superhomer, didn't expect a suspension.

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I'm finding this to be accurate. All my NHL friends around the country were quite surprised Weber didn't get suspended. The most common theory is that Shanny didn't want to appear to favor the Wings, but honestly it just appears to be star player preferred treatment like the NHL has always done.

Your moment of zen:

Hilarious

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Hilarious
I'm here to entertain.

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Five minutes after reading that chart, I'm still laughing.

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It's an old chart, I remember it from at least 3 years back.

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Since the NHL screwed up on the Weber ruling they are either going to come off looking like huge hypocrites when they hand out the supplemental discipline that is so obviously merited from the NY-Ottawa fiasco last night, or they will dig themselves into an even deeper hole and lose control over the series by trying to "be consistent". It's a lose-lose situation but that's nothing new for the NHL's Office of Lack of Player Safety.

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It's an old chart, I remember it from at least 3 years back.
That's why it's funny... it still applies today. Use that chart and you'll know exactly how suspensions work!

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Heaton, an admitted superhomer, didn't expect a suspension.
Didnt expect a suspension or didnt think there should be one? Theres a difference.

I'm not surprised there wasnt one and didnt really think he would end up with one because hes a star player on a non traditional hockey market team that finally is picking up fans, but given his action he definitely should have been. Bob Mackenzie didnt think there would be one but thought there should have been.

But even that is completely different from you trying to say its a hockey play which is laughable at best

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