Not so sure that will happen. Flames now talking about rebuilding. Smyth may not be a fit.
Yeah but now that Iginla has said he wants no part of a rebuild. Maybe they sit calm for another year and sign Smytty to the three year 12 million NMC Calgary special standard.
Smyth isn't a child. He should see the writing on the wall in Edmonton. If he wants to stay, sign a frigging one year deal, or if he's so focused on term, sign for 1.5M. He just isn't that good anymore. But for veteran presence, I'd much rather see him on the ice than Jason Strudwick.
Both Stauffer and Milhouse more or less confirmed that Smyth wants 3 years and about 1.5million more a year then is being offered. Sounds like the oilers have just offered 2. Should be fun to see Smyth in a Flames uniform next year
Both Stauffer and Milhouse more or less confirmed that Smyth wants 3 years and about 1.5million more a year then is being offered. Sounds like the oilers have just offered 2. Should be fun to see Smyth in a Flames uniform next year
I don't know, isn't that apart of negotiations? Hemsky wanted 4-5 years did he not? I don't know if this means Smyth is gone.
Both Stauffer and Milhouse more or less confirmed that Smyth wants 3 years and about 1.5million more a year then is being offered. Sounds like the oilers have just offered 2. Should be fun to see Smyth in a Flames uniform next year
He won't get 3 years, and I think it's a negotiation ploy.
I do think he's trying for two years, as he knows next season, all and every cap space will first go to Hall, Eberle and Smid. My guess is his fear is that there won't be anything left for him, and after another season, his career might be over.
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Both Stauffer and Milhouse more or less confirmed that Smyth wants 3 years and about 1.5million more a year then is being offered. Sounds like the oilers have just offered 2. Should be fun to see Smyth in a Flames uniform next year
There isn't a team in the NHL that would give him 3 years. No doubt. I was actually extremely disappointed to hear that the Oilers offered 2 years.
1 year.
2M base.
1M in bonuses.
That's the deal. That's all.
Read between the lines when listening to Stauffer's show. Smyth isn't nearly as popular with his teammates as he is with some (really over the top) fans.
With Hall, Ebs, RNH, Yakupov, Hemsky, Gagner...Smyth and Horcoff are quite obvious third liners. Add Hartikainen, Pajaarvi and Jones to that mix and there is NO room for him at all unless significant moves are made.
The horror of Horcoffs deal rears it's ugly head. The comments we see on these forums about. "It is what it is.", "It's no big deal because we have the caps space." and "It's not Horcoffs fault the team gave him that deal" are all tough to stomach for any player on this team when the oilers offer less than what the player thinks is fair.
1000X YES!
You sir, are the smartest man on the internet (if you're a chick thats still cool).
The Horcoff debate is over. The Horcult and their fancy stats can read posts like this and see how a bad contract can really kill a team....
If I were Smyth I'd be peeved that Horcaptain is making 5.5/per while the Oilers are likely offering 3 (or less)
The horror of Horcoffs deal rears it's ugly head. The comments we see on these forums about. "It is what it is.", "It's no big deal because we have the caps space." and "It's not Horcoffs fault the team gave him that deal" are all tough to stomach for any player on this team when the oilers offer less than what the player thinks is fair.
And yet somehow Hemsky didn't get paid more than Horcoff.
I would give him slightly less than Hemsky, maybe 4.5.
Limit it to single year, and try to fold him into the organization.
All in the mind of showing the F/A market that we are loyal to those that are loyal to us.
Might hurt for a season or two, but would give us more appeal in the long run.
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And yet somehow Hemsky didn't get paid more than Horcoff.
Hemsky honestly wasn't any better than Horcoff this year. The Oilers really do not need to make 3 underachieving veterans if you include Smyth the highest paid players on the team next year.
It's a little thing called 'contract negotiation'. People shouldn't get all bent out of shape and expect everyone to 'just take what is offered'.
The oiler shave their number and term in mind and if they can't come to an agreement they part ways. I'm sure we'll have tencer and stauffer and the boys blasting the sh** out of him and we will have a new greedy player to whine about.
"It's not Horcoffs fault the team gave him all that money and term and he's one of the worst players on the team" (Head pat)
"That greedy bugger Smyth! How could he! He should take what is offered to him!"
And yet somehow Hemsky didn't get paid more than Horcoff.
Yeah he got paid 5 million a year for two years. Will you be happy to give Smyth that?
If they are offering him 2.5 mill for 2 years or something like that anyone is going to try and get more than that.
If you don't think the gross overpaying and worse yet playing time entitlement that Horcoff gets won't cause a problem or hasn't caused a problem your naive.
If the Oilers kicked Horcoff to the curb they'd have a lot more moral authority to be a bit more fiscally tight. I can't wait to see them try and get team friendly discounts from the young stars.
Yeah he got paid 5 million a year for two years. Will you be happy to give Smyth that?
If they are offering him 2.5 mill for 2 years or something like that anyone is going to try and get more than that.
If you don't think the gross overpaying and worse yet playing time entitlement that Horcoff gets won't cause a problem or hasn't caused a problem your naive.
If the Oilers kicked Horcoff to the curb they'd have a lot more moral authority to be a bit more fiscally tight. I can't wait to see them try and get team friendly discounts from the young stars.
You think that's what the Oilers are giving Smyth?
Tough for a guy like Smyth to come to terms with the reality of being the age he is but if he wants to be part of the team he needs to do whats best for the team.
If that means a lesser role for lesser money then thats the reality he needs to face, if he is unwilling to accept that reality he is a free agent and can do what he feels is best for him.
Big fan of Smyth.
Tambellini has to do what is best for this team going forward and signing aging veterans to long term big money deals has to be over with in order to ensure we have the resources to pay for the future.
I know it's his right to seek out the best deal he can get; however, it does still say something about the player's motives and character when they are on the down side of their career, made their millions and still want their maximum possible $.
Should Hemsky have been offered 3rd line money too then? Smyth had a better year, despite his tail off
How often do guys Smyth's age bounce back? How often do guys Hemsky's age? I have no problem with Hemsky's contract; it's a reasonable gamble and doesn't impact our ability to retain the kids. I'd have a huge problem with giving Smyth a 3 year deal. I wouldn't even offer him 1 year at Stauffer's rumoured salary.
Unless Smyth re-evaluates his stance drastically, it sounds like he won't be back next season. Oh well, we'll just have to add a 3rd line LW to the FA wish list.
I don't want to be too negative here, but I don't care what his wants are, if he wants a spot that is any higher than our 4th line, then no. Unless we are planning on trading our pick, we don`t have a spot for Ryan Smyth. I'd rather bring him on as a coach of some type than give him an NHL contract. We need to find more physicality, and Smyth doesn't bring that at all.
Should Hemsky have been offered 3rd line money too then? Smyth had a better year, despite his tail off
Hemsky was actually the more effective player in the last half of the season, and actually has the skill to be a top 6 winger if he can get his consistency back. Smyth doesn't have top six skill anymore.
Hemsky was actually the more effective player in the last half of the season, and actually has the skill to be a top 6 winger if he can get his consistency back. Smyth doesn't have top six skill anymore.
I feel Hemsky and Horcoff are vastly overpaid for what they actually do...
I'm not advocating throwing the bank at Smyth, but its a little hypocritical for some to suggest he should take a haircut salary wise while the other 'vets' are still eating their cake
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