It's good that Tambellini has put the open for business sign out. All the interest in the first pick could start dialogue on other possible deals. Edmonton won't be moving that first pick but it will reveal who could be available to them for the right price.
To Edmonton - 2nd overall pick, Rick Nash (to flip Nash for other pieces, don't want his contract)
Needless to say, I don't expect us to finalize a deal, lol.
Deal, we take Nash and the 2nd overall pick.
Then Nash goes to 'Nash'ville for Weber straight up. We sign Weber to 8 years 7/yr. With the 2nd overall pick, the oilers select Grigorenko. Then we move Gagner, 2nd round pick, Belanger, and next year's first pick for Jordan Staal.
Our centers will include RNH, Staal, Grigorenko and Lander.
Slight edit to provide a little more for CLB, thoughts?
I've been thinking about a 3-way trade between CLB, EDM, and TOR.
This trade would make sense for all teams involved, and I've included a rationale for these moves at the bottom of this post.
Feel free to chime in with your thoughts!
To CLB:
TOR 2012 1st (5th overall)
TOR 2013 1st
Nazem Kadri
Nikolai Kulemin
To EDM:
CLB 2012 1st (2nd overall)
TOR 2012 2nd (35th overall)
Carl Gunnarson
To TOR:
EDM 2012 1st (1st overall)
Rick Nash
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Columbus:
- 2nd Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- Rick Nash
+ 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
+ 35th Pick
+ 2013 TOR 1st Round
+ Nazem Kadri
+ Nikolai Kulemin
Rationale: Columbus gives up flexibility in their selection, but still stays within top 5 picks where players are seen as the same "Tier" (outside of Yakupov) and trades Rick Nash to a team on his shortlist (Toronto is said to be on this list). In return, Columbus gets Toronto's 5th pick (and still picks a player from that same tier, with less flexibility in their selection), they also get Toronto's 35th overall pick and pick up another Toronto 1st rounder in 2013, a highly touted prospect in Nazem Kadri, and a season removed 30-goal young scorer with a strong two way game.
Rationale: Edmonton, a team that's already stacked up front, moves down a pick and picks Murray because they need a young player who can step in immediately and Murray can be that guy. In return for moving down to 2nd overall (which makes sense for them anyway) and further bolster their blue line with a young but proven Carl Gunnarson.
Toronto:
- 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- 35th Pick
- 2013 TOR 1st Round
- Nikolai Kulemin
- Nazem Kadri
- Carl Gunnarson
+ 1st Pick (Yakupov)
+ Rick Nash
Rationale: Toronto gives up their 5th and 35th pick along with their 2013 1st Round. In addition, Toronto also gives up highly touted prospect Nazem Kadri as well as proven young defenceman Carl Gunnarson. In return, Toronto moves up and is able to select Yakupov with the 1st overall, as well as bring in perennial 30-goal scorer and hometown boy Rick Nash.
- 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- 35th Pick
- 2013 TOR 1st Round
- Nikolai Kulemin
- Nazem Kadri
- Carl Gunnarson
These are spare parts?
Yes. Kulemin is a fringe top 6 player. He'd probably be a 3rd liner on a contending team. He's a more physical Paajarvi. Kadri is a dud, we already have Gagner who's just like him, only he cana ctually crack an NHL roster. Carl Gunnarson is a bottom pairing D-man. Yes, those are spare parts.
LOL at the poll being 133-1. I'll take a wild guess and say that us Oilers fans kinda like this Yakupov kid.
I'm surprised that there aren't a few more votes for established NHLer. If the pick was offered for Pietrangelo, Doughty or maybe even OEL, we couldn't turn that down but those guys obviously won't be on the table.
I think if there was more separation in this draft you would see different, but there is
i) a clear separation between Yakupov and the other draftees
ii) he is an asset that in a lot of regards could rival being one of our best forwards
iii) Young highly skilled forwards I think are still more valued then D-man ; unless with the caveat that D-man is young.
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Yes Shea Weber is in his prime, but how many years will he be a top performer once this team is competing for a cup, as for the young D-man many of them are simply unavailable, and if we draft one will he develop fast enough when this team is ready to compete (will we have wasted years of development just to see him go to another team
iv) I think myself including and many more would say how does a Murray, Dumba, Reinhart compare vs a Pietrelangelo (sp?), Doughty, Hedman, Larsson and many see them not in that upper echelon.
v) Last thing would be for D-man I think many are also looking at systems play in how that player does in a certain system, and how in particularly they would do on this team. I mean would Doughty be a Norris Candidate on this team, how about Pietrelangelo; those are all determining factors
- 5th Pick (Murray/Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg)
- 35th Pick
- 2013 TOR 1st Round
- Nikolai Kulemin
- Nazem Kadri
- Carl Gunnarson
These are spare parts?
Compared to an elite prospect, yes. People have this funny idea that if you bundle enough "good" things together it will somehow add up to one great thing. Like trading six bottom pair d-men for one top-2 guy, not to mention the fact that you can throw a stone into the free-agent pool and hit a player exactly like one of these guys.
Slight edit to provide a little more for CLB, thoughts?
You do know Edmonton finished 29th this yr with all of these smokin hot players you spoke of in their lineup eh? More heat is required just to become become average.
You know, I can't remember any other time HFOil was so united in an opinion. Let's just hope our opinion matches the less hardcore fans who email and call into the radio shows. We need the media beating the "Yakupov or else" drum.
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Originally Posted by dustrock
Who besides Weber is an attractive UFA after next season?
You know, I can't remember any other time HFOil was so united in an opinion. Let's just hope our opinion matches the less hardcore fans who email and call into the radio shows. We need the media beating the "Yakupov or else" drum.
Some solid names there. Although I expect many of the best ones to get signed to extensions this summer.
Those are spare parts when you are trying to trade for 2 franchise players.
What would you consider the difference between Yakupov vs a Grig/Galch/Frosberg/Murray (in terms of what you'd add to one of these players to make them worth Yakupov)?
I'm beginning to think, would it make sense to convert Eberle to center?
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What would you consider the difference between Yakupov vs a Grig/Galch/Frosberg/Murray (in terms of what you'd add to one of these players to make them worth Yakupov)?
The difference between the best player in the draft, and one of the better players in the draft? More then the Leafs have to give up.
What would you consider the difference between Yakupov vs a Grig/Galch/Frosberg/Murray (in terms of what you'd add to one of these players to make them worth Yakupov)?
Strome vs RNH
Neiderreiter vs Hall
Schenn vs Tavares
Schenn vs Stamkos
Alzner vs Kane
Kessel vs Johnson
Price vs Crosby
Wheeler vs Ovechkin
Vanek vs Fleury
Whitney vs Nash
Chistov vs Kovalchuk
Nearly every one of those scenarios, there's a pretty damn large gap between 5 and 1. Think about the biggest gap between, and that's what the GM would be looking for. Overpayment is the name of the game when it comes to this kind of potential
What would you consider the difference between Yakupov vs a Grig/Galch/Frosberg/Murray (in terms of what you'd add to one of these players to make them worth Yakupov)?
Honestly, there's nothing on the Leafs roster that I'd really want. Kessel has game, but he seems J-Bo-like in that, if he is the best player on your roster, you're not going very far. Lupul had a good year, but I think most fans here would not welcome him back, considering how badly he dogged it in his time here, and IMO Gardiner is waaaay overrated.
None of these players added to the 5th overall pick would get you the 1st overall, much less the 1st AND Nash.
iii) Young highly skilled forwards I think are still more valued then D-man ; unless with the caveat that D-man is young.
I wouldnt say that they are valued more but when you are drafting 18 year players it's much easier to know what you have in a forward than you do with defencemen. Even after a few years in the league it's harder to judge a d-man, unless he has a Karlsson like season. Doughty isnt getting the raves he was a few years ago.
You stand a much better chance of finding an elite top line d-man in the 2nd round than you do of finding a forward and there's a bigger chance of an early draft pick defenceman being a bust (or even just a decent player instead of a star) then there is for a forward.
