HFBoards  

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Central Division > Detroit Red Wings
Notices

Does losing Helm put a kibosh on the Stanley Cup hopes??

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old
04-12-2012, 05:09 PM
  #1
RedWinged
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Country: United States
Posts: 24
vCash: 500
Does losing Helm put a kibosh on the Stanley Cup hopes??

Losing Helm sucks.. but then again, he is part of the bottom six..

Given our depth or perceived lack thereof, is the Stanley Cup now a pipe dream for this year?

Or can we still make a run at it?

I understand, anything is possible.. but losing Helm just resets my expectations for this year..

RedWinged is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 05:15 PM
  #2
FabricDetails
Registered User
 
FabricDetails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,916
vCash: 500
Sure seems like it.

Babcock really raved about how Helm in the lineup makes such a significant difference to the bottom six. He seemed excited as hell. I'm sure now he's trying his best to shake off the dejection.

FabricDetails is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 05:16 PM
  #3
Kronwalled55
Eatin' your hats
 
Kronwalled55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Michigan
Country: United States
Posts: 2,989
vCash: 440
I'll be thrilled to make it past the 1st or 2nd round, let alone the SCF. Baby steps.

Kronwalled55 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 05:24 PM
  #4
WingedWheel1987
Carnac
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 5,776
vCash: 500
Probably since Helm was the bottom six. I suppose its still possible if Z and Dats go insane and carry the team EVERY GAME.

I am sure Corey Emmerton and Justin Abdelkader will save the team with their rock like hands and brains full of rocks too.

WingedWheel1987 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 05:27 PM
  #5
Flowah
Registered User
 
Flowah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,401
vCash: 500
Helm was bottom6, but in the playoffs, everything is about depth. You need balanced scoring, or at least, not a bottom6 that gets pushed around. That's what Helm allows. He's fast, a forechecking demon, a hitting machine. A little ball of energy. Without him, who steps up...? Babcock is right, he just makes the entire bottom6 that much stronger. With him, the third line becomes kind of a scoring threat. The fourth line gets so much stronger because we're not using Abby as a third line center. We could even drop Emmerton! But we can't do that anymore.


And don't forget how important he is on the PK. A PK we had to make use of 1920309 times last night.

Flowah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 05:38 PM
  #6
DarkReign
Registered User
 
DarkReign's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,418
vCash: 500
Stanley Cup hopes? When did those materialize?

DarkReign is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:02 PM
  #7
Dogkota
Registered User
 
Dogkota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,529
vCash: 500
I'd consider another reason among several that we aren't getting out of the first round, let alone any hopes of a championship.

Dogkota is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:07 PM
  #8
Motown Beatdown
Need a slump buster
 
Motown Beatdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Country: United States
Posts: 8,435
vCash: 500
Helm is one of the reason, another would be bad roster decisions and lack of depth.

Funny watching a guy no one wanted here own the Wings last night. While Quincey was average at best....which means he might have improved.

Babcock has been begging for big forwards for years, Holland gets a defenceman instead of a big forward who is a stud in the faceoff circle. you know winning key faceoffs, something we've missed since Draper in 08. What's a bigger game changer?

Motown Beatdown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:13 PM
  #9
giraffywaffy
Registered User
 
giraffywaffy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 373
vCash: 500
Maybe. Helm is huge for this team and against the opposition. I don't know if they can win the cup, but they can certainly make a run, but that depends on most of the rest of the team standing up. Hopefully Nyquist can be magical in the bottom 6 and break out with a good series. Someone is going to have to.

I would also like to know where Filp has disappeared to. Would be nice if he stepped up.

giraffywaffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:20 PM
  #10
ZetterBurger
Registered User
 
ZetterBurger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Detroit, MI
Country: United States
Posts: 6,211
vCash: 500
No. It's just about as large of a hurdle they will need to leap, but anything can happen and anyone can step up. As a whole the Wings need to step up and cover for him.

ZetterBurger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:22 PM
  #11
Frozen Fiend
DOUBLE D
 
Frozen Fiend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Kalamazoo
Country: United States
Posts: 4,205
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkReign View Post
Stanley Cup hopes? When did those materialize?
The time before we hit all the injuries and the Wings were first in the league.

Without hope, what do we have?

Frozen Fiend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:28 PM
  #12
RedGibby
Registered User
 
RedGibby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 596
vCash: 500
So much negativity. Why can't we win? We just lost 3-2 without him. It's a major setback but Detroit's just as good as any team in the league IMO

RedGibby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:42 PM
  #13
kdfsjljklgjfg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Gloversville, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 1,345
vCash: 500
Time for Nyquist to shine? Maybe Tatar?

kdfsjljklgjfg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:42 PM
  #14
RedWingsNow
Registered User
 
RedWingsNow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,926
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedWinged View Post
Losing Helm sucks.. but then again, he is part of the bottom six..

Given our depth or perceived lack thereof, is the Stanley Cup now a pipe dream for this year?

Or can we still make a run at it?

I understand, anything is possible.. but losing Helm just resets my expectations for this year..
We can win without Helm.
Best option is to make Franzen a center.
Flip Zetterberg Hudler
Nyquist Datsyuk Holmstrom
Bertuzzi Franzen Mursak
Cleary Abdelkader Miller

As good as helm is, he's kind of a tricky player for our roster. His performance demands more than 4th line minutes. But when he's a 3rd line center, that means we've got two lines that can't possess the puck worth crap.

Here's our chance to change that

RedWingsNow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 06:44 PM
  #15
WingedWheel1987
Carnac
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 5,776
vCash: 500
Sorry Bob, but i just dont see it happening. Babcock is not going to put Franzen on the third line in the playoffs.

That third line could end up being quite effective, but Babock wont risk it and doesnt want to upset "The Jack***"

Just gonna have to role with 1.5 lines and hope it gets the job done.

WingedWheel1987 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 07:01 PM
  #16
RedWingsNow
Registered User
 
RedWingsNow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,926
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingedWheel1987 View Post
Sorry Bob, but i just dont see it happening. Babcock is not going to put Franzen on the third line in the playoffs.

That third line could end up being quite effective, but Babock wont risk it and doesnt want to upset "The Jack***"

Just gonna have to role with 1.5 lines and hope it gets the job done.
Well, I hope he does something, becauses Abs/Emmerton as 3/4 centers is pretty ugly, IMO.

RedWingsNow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 07:08 PM
  #17
Flowah
Registered User
 
Flowah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,401
vCash: 500
Franzen has looked better on the third line this year than on the top6.

Babcock, please just have the balls to try this.

Flowah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 07:12 PM
  #18
FabricDetails
Registered User
 
FabricDetails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,916
vCash: 500
Michael Rosenberg: Red Wings need a healthy Darren Helm for playoff journey

http://www.freep.com/article/2012041...layoff-journey

What now Rosenberg?

FabricDetails is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 07:13 PM
  #19
Big Poppa Puck
Cleary=Jerry Gergich
 
Big Poppa Puck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Philly
Country: United States
Posts: 12,163
vCash: 500
Were there Stanley Cup hopes to begin with?

Big Poppa Puck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 07:34 PM
  #20
Marky9er
Registered User
 
Marky9er's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Brampton ON
Country: Dominica
Posts: 5,174
vCash: 500
It def hurts. Just like Eaves. There are no suitable replacements, unless somebody like Tatar or Sheahan are miraculous revelations. It is irritating given the Lidstrom window that we didn't add a Gaustad and/or Moen. The guys who are going to get thrown in are either not ready, or not physically capable of being effective. But, we didn't overpay......

Marky9er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 07:35 PM
  #21
GentlemanMasher*
Registered Abuser
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: Ajman
Posts: 906
vCash: 500
It hurts but it doesn't kill our chances at all. This isn't basketball, one player doesn't make or break a team.

GentlemanMasher* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 07:57 PM
  #22
Geki
Registered User
 
Geki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 728
vCash: 500
I think the end of march/beginning of April put a kibosh on hopes.

Geki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 08:09 PM
  #23
FlashyG
Registered User
 
FlashyG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,037
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flowah View Post
And don't forget how important he is on the PK. A PK we had to make use of 1920309 times last night.
In fairness the PK has been just fine without him, Ericsson is the most important part of the PK, Helm adds great speed but we can survive a man down without him.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Motown Beatdown View Post
Helm is one of the reason, another would be bad roster decisions and lack of depth.

Funny watching a guy no one wanted here own the Wings last night. While Quincey was average at best....which means he might have improved.

Babcock has been begging for big forwards for years, Holland gets a defenceman instead of a big forward who is a stud in the faceoff circle. you know winning key faceoffs, something we've missed since Draper in 08. What's a bigger game changer?
Gaustad had a decent game, but I'd hardly say he owned anything other than the faceoff dot for a minute and a half at the end of the game.

He managed only 1 shot on goal, and technically it was only a shot because his centering pass bounced off Stuart and went in. His final faceoff #'s were only 12-8 and he registered just a single hit.

Gaustad may have made us marginally better this season but we'd be worse off next year when he hits Unrestricted Free Agency and possibly leaves us with nothing on our investment. Quincey was brought in to compete for Stuarts spot next season when he leaves.

Quincey had just as good of a game as Gaustad did last night. He had the same amount of points and contributed to a perfect penalty kill that had more work last night than any game I can remember this season.

I'm not ready to start throwing in the towel based on a bad bounce, a lucky tip and a game with no flow because the refs decided they wanted some attention. We could just as easily be on the good end of that luck in game 2.

FlashyG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 08:12 PM
  #24
GentlemanMasher*
Registered Abuser
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: Ajman
Posts: 906
vCash: 500
Gaustad owned us? LOL now we're just looking for things to be emo about. He had one fluke goal, didn't hit anyone, was alright but not great in his own end, but he won some faceoffs.

But since we demand the world of Q and anything less makes us childish and hate-filled, we think the trade was bad. It's hilarious how short sighted some people get after a loss.

GentlemanMasher* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-12-2012, 08:50 PM
  #25
Shoalzie
Moderator
One More Time
 
Shoalzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Vicksburg, MI
Country: United States
Posts: 13,103
vCash: 500
They did alright last night down a forward for more than half the game...Babs just needs to make right adjustments.

Shoalzie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:00 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2013 All Rights Reserved.