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There's zero, I repeat ZERO chance that the Nords won't get a relocated team.
There's too many teams on the brink of collapse in their current markets. No way the NHL is expanding anytime soon.
Conversely, growing the league to 32 would increase revenue and sharing. The NHL would also prefer to reap the raw financial benefit of expansion rather than move a team and miss out.
Conversely, growing the league to 32 would increase revenue and sharing. The NHL would also prefer to reap the raw financial benefit of expansion rather than move a team and miss out.
Well I bring this up every time the Bettman fanboys argue he's raised league revenue.
Aside from advertising, the biggest reason for league revenue, the raw numbers, is more teams.
This does not mean the league is more successful now than in, say 1993. In terms of per capita fan support, etc, etc.
In theory the league could expand to 32 teams and gain overall revenue immediately, however there's no way the league can support 1, 2 or 3 money burners indefinitely.
Well, in this case, I guess we would hope to get the next relo or expansion.
Thing is fans here don't want an expansion franchise as seems to long to build a competitive team now.
Really?
Personally, I was excited to get any team. Who cares how long it takes to be competitive, worry about that once you get a team. I think you'll get a relo team rather than an expansion team, but I wouldn't be too picky.
I really don't see any other teams relocating in the next few years if Phoenix doesn't. Unfortunately, I think Quebec is screwed unless the league changes their minds on expansion.
Remember, didn't we go close to 15 years between the Hartford and Atlanta relocation. It doesn't happen as often as Kim Kardashian changes husbands.
New Jersey's def in the red, but they will find their way of their troubles without any threat of relocation. Islanders I don't see relocating outside of the New York metro area. Panthers, have long term lease, good arena deal. Columbus just extended terms on their arena I believe. Who are we thinking might relocate years from now, if not the Yotes? I can't think of a single team, honestly. Teams may be in financial trouble, but none of them will relocate.
I really don't see any other teams relocating in the next few years if Phoenix doesn't. Unfortunately, I think Quebec is screwed unless the league changes their minds on expansion.
Remember, didn't we go close to 15 years between the Hartford and Atlanta relocation. It doesn't happen as often as Kim Kardashian changes husbands.
New Jersey's def in the red, but they will find their way of their troubles without any threat of relocation. Islanders I don't see relocating outside of the New York metro area. Panthers, have long term lease, good arena deal. Columbus just extended terms on their arena I believe. Who are we thinking might relocate years from now, if not the Yotes? I can't think of a single team, honestly. Teams may be in financial trouble, but none of them will relocate.
That is what I fear. If we don't get the Coyotes, we may very well end up empty-handed. The news out of Phoenix seem encouraging for the fans, which is not a bad thing in the grand scheme of things, but that do bring my enthusiasm down a notch. At this point, choosing not to believe that information could only lead to greater dissapointement. I don't think a local sale would be profitable to Glendale, the NHL or the prospective owner, but I can't say that I'm as confident that Quebec City would get a team as I was only 48 hours ago.
I guess there will be development that will make me raise my hopes up again, then they're gonna get shutdown again, go up again, etc.
I really hope this whole thing comes to an end as quickly as possible. The worst thing that could happen is for the CoG to pay up another 25M to maintain the team in Glendale without a new owner. It would mean AT LEAST another year of this madness and in a year, Seattle could very well be the league's prefered destination. It might be now or never for us Nordique fans.
Well I bring this up every time the Bettman fanboys argue he's raised league revenue.
Aside from advertising, the biggest reason for league revenue, the raw numbers, is more teams.
This does not mean the league is more successful now than in, say 1993. In terms of per capita fan support, etc, etc.
In theory the league could expand to 32 teams and gain overall revenue immediately, however there's no way the league can support 1, 2 or 3 money burners indefinitely.
why do i find it not coincidental that you chose a year: 1993 that saw the birth of the anaheim ducks and florida panthers.
That is what I fear. If we don't get the Coyotes, we may very well end up empty-handed. The news out of Phoenix seem encouraging for the fans, which is not a bad thing in the grand scheme of things, but that do bring my enthusiasm down a notch. At this point, choosing not to believe that information could only lead to greater dissapointement. I don't think a local sale would be profitable to Glendale, the NHL or the prospective owner, but I can't say that I'm as confident that Quebec City would get a team as I was only 48 hours ago.
I guess there will be development that will make me raise my hopes up again, then they're gonna get shutdown again, go up again, etc.
I really hope this whole thing comes to an end as quickly as possible. The worst thing that could happen is for the CoG to pay up another 25M to maintain the team in Glendale without a new owner. It would mean AT LEAST another year of this madness and in a year, Seattle could very well be the league's prefered destination. It might be now or never for us Nordique fans.
Dont worry, remember ''the Balkan''?
We've been ''two weeks away'' from an ''imminent'' Coyotes sale for 3 freaking years!
No way AT ALL this happens at the last second during the playoffs!
I cant wait for the Coyotes to be swept by the Hawks and for the doubts to end...Fingers crossed
I really don't see any other teams relocating in the next few years if Phoenix doesn't. Unfortunately, I think Quebec is screwed unless the league changes their minds on expansion.
Remember, didn't we go close to 15 years between the Hartford and Atlanta relocation. It doesn't happen as often as Kim Kardashian changes husbands.
New Jersey's def in the red, but they will find their way of their troubles without any threat of relocation. Islanders I don't see relocating outside of the New York metro area. Panthers, have long term lease, good arena deal. Columbus just extended terms on their arena I believe. Who are we thinking might relocate years from now, if not the Yotes? I can't think of a single team, honestly. Teams may be in financial trouble, but none of them will relocate.
There will be an expansion after the new CBA. I would bet a big sum on it. Expension to Toronto will bring in insane cash to the league
That is what I fear. If we don't get the Coyotes, we may very well end up empty-handed. The news out of Phoenix seem encouraging for the fans, which is not a bad thing in the grand scheme of things, but that do bring my enthusiasm down a notch. At this point, choosing not to believe that information could only lead to greater dissapointement. I don't think a local sale would be profitable to Glendale, the NHL or the prospective owner, but I can't say that I'm as confident that Quebec City would get a team as I was only 48 hours ago.
I guess there will be development that will make me raise my hopes up again, then they're gonna get shutdown again, go up again, etc.
Hey, people in Winnipeg were living the rollercoaster of getting a team for 3 years or more. It's hard on the nerves, but be patient. It will happen.
First off, the CoG is not going to pay another $25M to keep the team for another year of "Where's the Owner?". And the only reason the Coyotes stayed for the last 2 seasons was only because the CoG did cough up the money. So if that tap has run dry ( and based on the Mayor's comments, it has ) the NHL is not going to pay to keep the team there, so what does that leave?
Simple, someone buys them in the next month or so, or they move. It doesn't get any easier than that. And if someone does buy the Coyotes, there are others out there. There are something like half a dozen teams seriously bleeding money right now. Now it would be true that none of them have thrown the keys on Bettman's desk like Atlanta and have walk away from thier franchises, but it could happen at anytime. People don't like losing money forever.
Hey, people in Winnipeg were living the rollercoaster of getting a team for 3 years or more. It's hard on the nerves, but be patient. It will happen.
First off, the CoG is not going to pay another $25M to keep the team for another year of "Where's the Owner?". And the only reason the Coyotes stayed for the last 2 seasons was only because the CoG did cough up the money. So if that tap has run dry ( and based on the Mayor's comments, it has ) the NHL is not going to pay to keep the team there, so what does that leave?
Simple, someone buys them in the next month or so, or they move. It doesn't get any easier than that. And if someone does buy the Coyotes, there are others out there. There are something like half a dozen teams seriously bleeding money right now. Now it would be true that none of them have thrown the keys on Bettman's desk like Atlanta and have walk away from thier franchises, but it could happen at anytime. People don't like losing money forever.
For example, once Peter Karmanos dies, or retires, do we really think there will be a lineup to buy the Hurricanes?. Same goes for the Panthers and the Lightning. Things can change quickly. Plus expension is in the cards in my opinion.
There will be an expansion after the new CBA. I would bet a big sum on it. Expension to Toronto will bring in insane cash to the league
that would be awesome and everyone benefits. Revenue sharing helps struggling teams, quebec gets their team back, and vast majority of disenfranchised leaf fans get a new team to cheer for, and canadian hockey fans are happy.
Although if they go to 32 expansion my guess would be one in canada: Quebec obviously and one in US: Seattle perhaps.
Where would the nords play hypothetically if they got a team for next season?
that would be awesome and everyone benefits. Revenue sharing helps struggling teams, quebec gets their team back, and vast majority of disenfranchised leaf fans get a new team to cheer for, and canadian hockey fans are happy.
Although if they go to 32 expansion my guess would be one in canada: Quebec obviously and one in US: Seattle perhaps.
Where would the nords play hypothetically if they got a team for next season?
I'd love a second team in Toronto. Don't know if that'll happen, but if it did I'd be ecstatic. As for the Nordiques 2.0, they'd play in the old Collisee until the new area is built in 2015. Quebec City is planning on renovating it this year. (I think).
that would be awesome and everyone benefits. Revenue sharing helps struggling teams, quebec gets their team back, and vast majority of disenfranchised leaf fans get a new team to cheer for, and canadian hockey fans are happy.
Although if they go to 32 expansion my guess would be one in canada: Quebec obviously and one in US: Seattle perhaps.
Where would the nords play hypothetically if they got a team for next season?
Some people prefer contraction and relocation over expansion. I for one don't want to pay big $$$$ to watch watered down hockey as the result of expansion when there are plenty of potential relocation candidates from these "struggling teams"
I hope Seattle, Southern Ontario and QC are all able to get teams through relocation lessening the need for revenue sharing for struggling teams and "fixing" less desirable markets by leaving.
It would be great if one of these struggling markets was relocated to QC in time for the 2012-13 season.
Some people prefer contraction and relocation over expansion. I for one don't want to pay big $$$$ to watch watered down hockey as the result of expansion when there are plenty of potential relocation candidates from these "struggling teams"
I hope Seattle, Southern Ontario and QC are all able to get teams through relocation lessening the need for revenue sharing for struggling teams and "fixing" less desirable markets by leaving.
It would be great if one of these struggling markets was relocated to QC in time for the 2012-13 season.
i know some people prefer this. I prefer the opposite. What surprises me that many of the proponents for relocation as a means for new teams are indeed fans of teams that have lost their franchises at one point or another (many nords and jets fans for example). I cant understand if someone goes through that it must feel like a death of a family member. why would anyone want to subject another teams fanbase to that torture and misery?
I dont think i could ever watch hockey again if my team got relocated or moved. i would feel too hurt.
To me relocation should be our last option not our first.
Expension will bring close to 900 millions in instant revenu. I guarantee you its happening. Thats about 30 millions $ for all 30 teams
But is anyone outside of Canada willing to pay?
The NHL is basically begging Seattle to take a team, OKC's mayor doesn't want one, Vegas is a no-go and I doubt Houston will pay the big bucks to take a team.
Teams are losing money. Getting a one time payment doesn't fix that problem. The only real solution is moving teams to cities that can support them.
The NHL is basically begging Seattle to take a team, OKC's mayor doesn't want one, Vegas is a no-go and I doubt Houston will pay the big bucks to take a team.
Teams are losing money. Getting a one time payment doesn't fix that problem. The only real solution is moving teams to cities that can support them.
From what I've read the situation in seattle seems to be the reverse of what you just said. Seattle wants a nhl team, as it would make the proposed arena more economically viable in the long run. Hansen has stated several times that it would take both the nba and nhl for it to work. Of course the nhl would love a team in seattle but not at the expense playing at key arena for couple seasons.
As for Houston, Les Alexander once showed interest in owning the Oilers. Who knows, if the Stars can become more stable financially, like what they once were, then maybe Alexander might show interest again.
