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Problem is that with the recent recession, Alexander seems to have gone from a billionaire to a multimillionaire. Obviously, he ain't hurting, but he might not have the capital to willingly be able to put down funds for an NHL team anymore.
#NHL *News*-Jim Treliving on the #Coyotes situation. "QC will have an NHL team before you know it, but the Phoenix #Coyotes will not be going to Quebec.."
"The Phoenix Market represents a really big market that the NHL really does not want to lose. If hockey works in Anaheim or San Jose, it can also work in Phoenix. All they need is good ownership"
"But I am not interested in purchasing the Coyotes"
This interview was given to the La Presse newspaper last night.
Jim Treliving is owner of the Boston Pizza franchises and ownership partner of the Central Hockey League (CHL). he also is director of the Hockey-Canada foundation. His son Brad is asst.GM of the Phoenix Coyotes.
Talk for yourself, an expension NHl team is much better then no team. Most people in Québec have my opinion.
Pat,
Between another "expansion team that won't do playoffs for 10 years" and another which is winning despite being in the moving truck since 3 years, I think the choice is obvious.
- Yes you are late
- It is only speculation
- he confirmed on twitter he is not interested to buy the team
Where did I imply he would buy the team? I quoted the part where he said he was not interested in buying the team. Also what him not interested in buying the team would discredit what he might know about the situation?
I was simply providing some interesting information. You can lose the attitude.
Where did I imply he would buy the team? I quoted the part where he said he was not interested in buying the team. Also what him not interested in buying the team would discredit what he might know about the situation?
I was simply providing some interesting information. You can lose the attitude.
You know dude, this was posted and discussed several days ago. You can kind of guess with the way everything is dissected here that a video which is a couple of days old will already have gotten the treatment here.
Where did I imply he would buy the team? I quoted the part where he said he was not interested in buying the team. Also what him not interested in buying the team would discredit what he might know about the situation?
I was simply providing some interesting information. You can lose the attitude.
Before posting here, please read the previous posts. Usually, we quickly find out news got posted here before. Then you'll waste nobody's time. At least, thats I've been told in the past.
You know dude, this was posted and discussed several days ago. You can kind of guess with the way everything is dissected here that a video which is a couple of days old will already have gotten the treatment here.
Thanks for the clarification. Guess I missed that thread (too busy focussing on the playoffs!)
Still, I get the sense every time someone come up with any news that might imply that the Coyotes are not moving to Quebec, you are seen as an ''enemy'' by the Nordiques fans. People need to chill out.
I think there's a general feeling among Nordiques fans that the league is trying to BS its way through the end of the Coyotes' season, as the numbers in Glendale just don't add up. Who would buy the Coyotes unless he was already a massive fan of the team and was willing to lose 30 or 40 million bucks a year for the foreseeable future? That's why we are taking each new "promising" piece of news out of Glendale with a grain of salt.
Before posting here, please read the previous posts. Usually, we quickly find out news got posted here before. Then you'll waste nobody's time. At least, thats I've been told in the past.
Nope, I'm definately not going to read a closed 45 page thread before forwarding a vid that Elliotte Friedman quoted today. I assumed it was fresh news because of that. Too bad it was not, I'll see what has been said about it.
I usually check the latest 4-5 pages of threads before posting anything but to say someone will ''waste his time'' for scrolling over a post is quite ridiculous... Tell me, how can someone waste his time while wasting his time reading a hockey discussion board?
Nope, I'm definately not going to read a closed 45 page thread before forwarding a vid that Elliotte Friedman quoted today. I assumed it was fresh news because of that. Too bad it was not, I'll see what has been said about it.
I usually check the latest 4-5 pages of threads before posting anything but to say someone will ''waste his time'' for scrolling over a post is quite ridiculous... Tell me, how can someone waste his time while wasting his time reading a hockey discussion board?
Well I just checked the 15 latest pages of the Quebec thread, starting April 5th, and did not find any post related to that vid or news story.
So yeah, I'm sorry if I wasted your time scrolling over my post while you were wasting your time on here and am also sorry you felt the need to waste your time even more arguing about it with me.
I think there's a general feeling among Nordiques fans that the league is trying to BS its way through the end of the Coyotes' season, as the numbers in Glendale just don't add up. Who would buy the Coyotes unless he was already a massive fan of the team and was willing to lose 30 or 40 million bucks a year for the foreseeable future? That's why we are taking each new "promising" piece of news out of Glendale with a grain of salt.
It won't BS it's way out. Presently, the biggest drawback is the Yotes in the playoff. I am sure that if they were out, the announcement would have been made already or close by. If the Yotes manages to go far... then forget it. They can't announce a relocation until the "team" is done and because the NHL and BoG took note of the Thrashers relocation where TrueNorth was hard pressed when they announced it near the end of May (and mind you, TN had a NHL ready staff when it was made which Quebec doesn't have yet).
Then you have the fact that Phoenix is a huge market which is unproperly managed from the few last years. Under a good management, I am pretty sure the Yotes wouldn't be in the red (We all remember those jetset parties, insane stupid contract in management and others) and could be in the average zone of a typical american NHL team. They just need someone willing to take them back on track and this is why Bettman and the BoG doesn't want to move out of Glendale. They have the numbers and they know it can be profitable in the long run with proper guidance.
It won't BS it's way out. Presently, the biggest drawback is the Yotes in the playoff. I am sure that if they were out, the announcement would have been made already or close by. If the Yotes manages to go far... then forget it. They can't announce a relocation until the "team" is done and because the NHL and BoG took note of the Thrashers relocation where TrueNorth was hard pressed when they announced it near the end of May (and mind you, TN had a NHL ready staff when it was made which Quebec doesn't have yet).
Then you have the fact that Phoenix is a huge market which is unproperly managed from the few last years. Under a good management, I am pretty sure the Yotes wouldn't be in the red (We all remember those jetset parties, insane stupid contract in management and others) and could be in the average zone of a typical american NHL team. They just need someone willing to take them back on track and this is why Bettman and the BoG doesn't want to move out of Glendale. They have the numbers and they know it can be profitable in the long run with proper guidance.
We'll never know.
Hey, there's NFL, MLB, NBA, college football, college basketball.. Lots of other places to spend your enterntainment bucks. What's left for non-traditionnal hockey?
The financial crisis in 2008 certainly did not help. They had nothing in their favor since 2008, except a competitive team.
It won't BS it's way out. Presently, the biggest drawback is the Yotes in the playoff. I am sure that if they were out, the announcement would have been made already or close by. If the Yotes manages to go far... then forget it. They can't announce a relocation until the "team" is done and because the NHL and BoG took note of the Thrashers relocation where TrueNorth was hard pressed when they announced it near the end of May (and mind you, TN had a NHL ready staff when it was made which Quebec doesn't have yet).
Or the other alternative: it's already been decided that the Coyotes are on their way to Quebec, and PKP has already started the process to be ready for the 2012-2013 season.
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Then you have the fact that Phoenix is a huge market which is unproperly managed from the few last years. Under a good management, I am pretty sure the Yotes wouldn't be in the red (We all remember those jetset parties, insane stupid contract in management and others) and could be in the average zone of a typical american NHL team. They just need someone willing to take them back on track and this is why Bettman and the BoG doesn't want to move out of Glendale. They have the numbers and they know it can be profitable in the long run with proper guidance.
Someone broke down the numbers in another thread. Basically the Coyotes are drawing the fewest fans in the league and are charging either a pittance for the tickets or giving them away. They're nowhere close to bringing in the revenues sufficient to pay player salaries, let alone any other expenses. A new owner would have to jack up ticket prices to a level that even fewer people in Phoenix would be willing to pay... or dramatically reduce payroll, which in turn would hurt attendance.
Not saying hockey can't work in Phoenix generally, but the Coyotes are so far gone they are unsalvageable. It would take years to turn around that franchise - who would be willing to sustain those kind of losses? Is there a Roman Abramovich out there who just wants an NHL franchise as a toy and doesn't care how much money he loses over the next five or six years? Doubtful. And if there was, why would he keep them in Phoenix in the first place?
Between another "expansion team that won't do playoffs for 10 years" and another which is winning despite being in the moving truck since 3 years, I think the choice is obvious.
Most people in Saguenay have my opinion. ;-)
Yeah but between an expansion team and no team they will choose an expansion team. If we get a cup contender relocating team the better but what everyone in Québec should wish for is just to get a team. Its not time to be picky.
Yeah but between an expansion team and no team they will choose an expansion team. If we get a cup contender relocating team the better but what everyone in Québec should wish for is just to get a team. Its not time to be picky.
Of course bro. I am saying I want the Coyotes now, not wait something which is not sure.
If it's not the Coyotes, it will be something else.
They have so many franchises in trouble, expanding could end up being league suicide.
Toronto 2 will be an expansion team. NHL could possibly grab 600 millions $ for it. If they cant find a city afterward to take a struglling team then they will just buy the team at low price and contract it.
I really don't see any other teams relocating in the next few years if Phoenix doesn't. Unfortunately, I think Quebec is screwed unless the league changes their minds on expansion.
Remember, didn't we go close to 15 years between the Hartford and Atlanta relocation. It doesn't happen as often as Kim Kardashian changes husbands.
New Jersey's def in the red, but they will find their way of their troubles without any threat of relocation. Islanders I don't see relocating outside of the New York metro area. Panthers, have long term lease, good arena deal. Columbus just extended terms on their arena I believe. Who are we thinking might relocate years from now, if not the Yotes? I can't think of a single team, honestly. Teams may be in financial trouble, but none of them will relocate.
Eh, I foresee either the Isles or the Devils moving at some point. The NY area cannot support 3 hockey teams. The Isles are in worse shape than the Devils with no arena. Unless the Isles move to Brooklyn with the Nets, the only place to go is out. The Devils I can't see doing any better than they are now. They were one of the top teams in hockey for 15 years and had problems. With the Rangers being good again, I don't see their fan base growing as much as it had during that time either.
Yeah but between an expansion team and no team they will choose an expansion team. If we get a cup contender relocating team the better but what everyone in Québec should wish for is just to get a team. Its not time to be picky.
I agree with your statement, however I look at it from a different view. I'd like to see Quebec get a team. The NHL I feel in love with had the Nordiques, Jets, and Whalers (I won't hold out hope for them), however my view is as such. While getting a team either through expansion or relocation is a blessing, right now the team in Phoenix is in shambles finacially. They've lost money from the day they stepped foot in the desert, they are losing more now then ever even with "cost certainty". I'd like to see them successful, however it just doesn't seem to be in the cards.
Whoever the owner is it is always going to be a franchise that requires Herculean production to even come close to breaking even. They can't get fans into their seats with a good team and three years of playoffs appearences. They don't dare raise ticket prices to a level that would help them not lose as much cash.
Sure if they'd get an owner who makes a deal with the NHL and the COG they might have a few fans show up who swore them off until this dust has settled. But I don't believe they'll ever have enough to counteract the pitfall they face as a francise.
That is why I pull for Relocation. It isn't anything personal against Arizona or the Yote, it is about making the league a stronger product. Healthier teams and owners.
As an example just look at their games vs Detroit, Vancouver compared to games vs Dallas, Nashville, LA. The crowd is probably a good 30% out of town fans. Vs Dallas and other non traditional markets the place is vacant. Arizona draws retirees, and winter vacationers.. They want to see "Their" team play, and that constitutes wearing an away jersey to the Job.Com.
Or the other alternative: it's already been decided that the Coyotes are on their way to Quebec, and PKP has already started the process to be ready for the 2012-2013 season.
Someone broke down the numbers in another thread. Basically the Coyotes are drawing the fewest fans in the league and are charging either a pittance for the tickets or giving them away. They're nowhere close to bringing in the revenues sufficient to pay player salaries, let alone any other expenses. A new owner would have to jack up ticket prices to a level that even fewer people in Phoenix would be willing to pay... or dramatically reduce payroll, which in turn would hurt attendance.
Not saying hockey can't work in Phoenix generally, but the Coyotes are so far gone they are unsalvageable. It would take years to turn around that franchise - who would be willing to sustain those kind of losses? Is there a Roman Abramovich out there who just wants an NHL franchise as a toy and doesn't care how much money he loses over the next five or six years? Doubtful. And if there was, why would he keep them in Phoenix in the first place?
Sure. I understand the point. But for how many years the fans are told the team is going away? Ever since the years of stupid management where money was thrown in for fun, it seems there's not a year the Coyotes aren't told they might move. The Coyotes are experiencing the same mismanagement our Expos did when they left and I know, you know and a lot of people knows that under proper guidance, we would still have MLB in Montreal.
Sure they need to up their prices but I wouldn't call Phoenix as a no-market for hockey. Did you watch the game last night? Crazy stuff. I want the Nordiques back, but I feel for them.
