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Blues get Belle rung in Cash deal!

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12-02-2004, 01:47 PM
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Blues get Belle rung in Cash deal!

Bacashua has been terrible. That deal sending Belle to the Stars is looking like a pretty poor trade for the Blues.

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Bacashua has been terrible. That deal sending Belle to the Stars is looking like a pretty poor trade for the Blues.
especially since they drafted a pretty good goalie in last year's draft.

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It's not exactly like Belle's been on fire either.

That said, Ellis isn't looking very promesing either. The Stars depth in net suddenly has become rather average at best after it was among the tops in the league 2 years ago. Probably still do the trade, though I find it ironic how the Blues aquired Cash, and kept on drafting netminders, while the Stars aquired Belle and drafted about another 5 defensemen.

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Dan Ellis has been terrible, and Shawn Belle's not that great either. So... so far it's a pretty fair deal. Goaltenders can turn it around and should be given more time to develop.

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NYR has 3 goalies, with very good upsides ( Blackbyrn, Montoya, Lundqvist).What would Dallas or who ever be willing to give for them?

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NYR has 3 goalies, with very good upsides ( Blackbyrn, Montoya, Lundqvist).What would Dallas or who ever be willing to give for them?

If Im Sather, Id ask for Ott to start with. Rangers need LW, at least Ott has some grit and some skill to be a I think a 15 goal 30 point guy down the road.

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Well, now that Harding is out Smith should get a better look but he hasn't been performing that great.

Plus have you seen his photo?

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Well, now that Harding is out Smith should get a better look but he hasn't been performing that great.

Plus have you seen his photo?



Looks like a crackhead.

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Looks like a crackhead.
Deeeeeeewwwwwd, any of you brah's know when Phish and Bob Dylan are playing next, huh huh.

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Bacashua has been terrible. That deal sending Belle to the Stars is looking like a pretty poor trade for the Blues.


1) As many people have said, Belle has been almost as bad as Cash so far.

2) It is still WAY too early to be judging this trade. Goalies, on average, don't fully develope until thier late 20's/early 30's. Cash is young enough that he could still end up being a NHL goalie in the future. Giving up on him after not even half a season is foolish.

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NYR has 3 goalies, with very good upsides ( Blackbyrn, Montoya, Lundqvist).What would Dallas or who ever be willing to give for them?
How 'bout nothing?

With Turco in net, the Stars don't need to have stellar depth among their goalie prospects. Dan Ellis is not enjoying a very good season, but he still has the upside of that of a capable starter. Tobias Stephan is a great Swiss talent, having been compared with Aebischer a lot, if injuries don't get a hold of him, he too can become a starter in the NHL. Furthermore, Mike Smith (backup), and Eero Kipleainen (very raw, but very talented) complete the Stars goalie pool.

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Bad,bad deal. They traded a good defensive prospect in Belle for Bacashua...and they drafted Schwarz in the '04 draft...

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Bad,bad deal. They traded a good defensive prospect in Belle for Bacashua...and they drafted Schwarz in the '04 draft...
How was it a bad deal, unlike a team like the Leafs the Blues realized that they NEED goalie depth, They HAVE defensive depth, that is why they traded him. It does a lot of good to develop him in the minors when they don't have any goalies to stop the puck in their system. Finally so what if they drafted Schwarz it only solidifies their need for a young goalie 5 years down the road, and allows them to almost guarentee very little goalie issues for how many years.

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If Im Sather, Id ask for Ott to start with. Rangers need LW, at least Ott has some grit and some skill to be a I think a 15 goal 30 point guy down the road.
I don't think you would get Ott for a prospect Goalie.

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NYR has 3 goalies, with very good upsides ( Blackbyrn, Montoya, Lundqvist).What would Dallas or who ever be willing to give for them?
If I was Armstrong, I'd just pluck LaBarbera off the waiver draft and have him play a few NHL games this year behind Marty if I was looking to NY. Or else make them pay a ton of money on Dunham's salary for 1 year and give up a 4th round draft pick.

That, or else look to Atlanta for Jani Hurme for absolutely nothing, since he's useless to them. Or sign someone crappy like Shields or Dafoe or Charpentier; or someone decent like Potvin. Maybe Zac Bierk or Brent Johnson from Phoenix. Tons of goalies available. If they wanted to get a good young goalie, why not trade for one of Buffalo's 3 NHL calibre goalies (except Biron for $$ reasons)?

There's way to many options available for a potential half-season for Dallas to even worry. They'll need someone outside the organization (as a backup for the year), but they shouldn't give up much to do it.

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How was it a bad deal, unlike a team like the Leafs the Blues realized that they NEED goalie depth, They HAVE defensive depth, that is why they traded him. It does a lot of good to develop him in the minors when they don't have any goalies to stop the puck in their system. Finally so what if they drafted Schwarz it only solidifies their need for a young goalie 5 years down the road, and allows them to almost guarentee very little goalie issues for how many years.
In the system, who exactly do the Blues have on defense?

It looks VERY weak to me.

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Technically Jackman and Backman, but they are thin in depth in goal and defense and goal is kind of important since they lost Johnson and Divis might not be able to step it up.

Byrne is high on their charts (top 10)...Depth is good but crop is weak...

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In the system, who exactly do the Blues have on defense?

It looks VERY weak to me.
dennis wideman
trevor byrne
robin jonsson
zack fitzgerald

i think it's reasonable to call these guys potential 3 or 4's. Wideman is a 21 year old ahl rookie who's 2nd or 3rd in defensman scoring so far.
fitzgerald is described a lot like jackman used to be described but with no hype.

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Bacashua has been terrible. That deal sending Belle to the Stars is looking like a pretty poor trade for the Blues.

just a tad to early to tell for either player, don't you think?

the need to rush to judge these kids amazes me. Some patience would serve many of us well.

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seeing as how the Blues have a legitimate top 2 pairing in Backman and Jackman (Backman is simply going to be a great dman. You'll see.) they aren't really pressed for defensive prospects. They do have a ton of 'depth' defensive prospects (Nikitin is the sleeper) who have some upside. Zack FitzGerald being the most unheralded of all of them and a kid that is almost a sure lock to play at the NHL level.
As for the Blues 'needing' goaltending (or goalie prospects) that's pretty off base. At least one of Schwarz, Cash, Nussinen or Barulin will pan out for them.
Blues have solid prospects all the way around (and the most underrated prospect from last year's draft in Calle Soderberg) but no, they definately do not have any single dman who has a great upside. They wouldn't have it even had they kept Shawn Belle. No harm, no foul. Fitzgerald will be a better NHLer than Belle anyway.

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Bacashua has been terrible. That deal sending Belle to the Stars is looking like a pretty poor trade for the Blues.
It looks that way so far, but have patience my friend.

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It's not exactly like Belle's been on fire either.

That said, Ellis isn't looking very promesing either. The Stars depth in net suddenly has become rather average at best after it was among the tops in the league 2 years ago. Probably still do the trade, though I find it ironic how the Blues aquired Cash, and kept on drafting netminders, while the Stars aquired Belle and drafted about another 5 defensemen.
When they acquired Cash they had no idea that Schwarz would be available and they still have plenty of prospects on D.

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dennis wideman
trevor byrne
robin jonsson
zack fitzgerald

i think it's reasonable to call these guys potential 3 or 4's. Wideman is a 21 year old ahl rookie who's 2nd or 3rd in defensman scoring so far.
fitzgerald is described a lot like jackman used to be described but with no hype.
That's a horrible group of defensemen... not individually, but as a group.

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That's a horrible group of defensemen... not individually, but as a group.
If anything as a group they are better than individually when sized up against the top defensive prospects. Hold your comments because those are the only prospects that Leaf management has a chance on drafting, the Blues fans have faith in their deep blueline depth and some could become solid NHLers.

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If anything as a group they are better than individually when sized up against the top defensive prospects. Hold your comments because those are the only prospects that Leaf management has a chance on drafting, the Blues fans have faith in their deep blueline depth and some could become solid NHLers.
Leafs?

I'm sorry... what does this have to do with Toronto?

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