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God, these trade proposals surrounding PK Subban for the first overall pick are awful. We'll keep PK and be happy with our 3rd pick. There's not enough of a difference in talent between Yakupov and who the Habs will pick up 3rd...this isn't Sidney Crosby or Alex Ovechkin people. Also there have been quite a few question marks about Yakupov recently and his durability. As far as i'm concerned, all 4 top forward prospects have some questions marks.
God, these trade proposals surrounding PK Subban for the first overall pick are awful. We'll keep PK and be happy with our 3rd pick. There's not enough of a difference in talent between Yakupov and who the Habs will pick up 3rd...this isn't Sidney Crosby or Alex Ovechkin people. Also there have been quite a few question marks about Yakupov recently and his durability. As far as i'm concerned, all 4 top forward prospects have some questions marks.
Ya and that's why majority of scouts say yakupov is on a completely different level than the rest. As for injury's, just bad luck. his play style doesn't make him too vulnerable for the big hit's like hall does. Yak avoids them similar too RNH. I'm not too concerned about him.
As for this trade proposal, and many others involving edm and other Canadians teams. It just makes me cringe. There will never been an agreement on a trade. Fans just overate there players so much. but I also feel alot of you are underrating Yakupov, if edm didn't have the 1st pick, everyone would think Yakupov is a pure star. but know that we have the pick, All I hear is: He's a bust, Injury Prone, he's a russian, and a lot of other BS.
Ya and that's why majority of scouts say yakupov is on a completely different level than the rest. As for injury's, just bad luck. his play style doesn't make him too vulnerable for the big hit's like hall does. Yak avoids them similar too RNH. I'm not too concerned about him.
As for this trade proposal, and many others involving edm and other Canadians teams. It just makes me cringe. There will never been an agreement on a trade. Fans just overate there players so much. but I also feel alot of you are underrating Yakupov, if edm didn't have the 1st pick, everyone would think Yakupov is a pure star. but know that we have the pick, All I hear is: He's a bust, Injury Prone, he's a russian, and a lot of other BS.
We'll keep him.
to be fair, those arguments about Yakupov were raging when Columbus had the pick.
Yakupov has "question marks" they all say. Sure, what prospect doesn't? Even Crosby had some.
It is true however that the difference between 1st and 3rd this year is not an established 22yo RFA top4 dman.
Look at it from Montreal's POV. We could get Yakupov, which is great, or we can have Galchenyuk/Grigorenko AND Subban, which fills more needs. That's all. It isn't a knock on Edm or their choices or their great young core. Also, if EDM chooses Yakupov 1st, their top 6 will be amazing next season, and scary good for 10 years or more
Any Habs GM should automatically say "NO". We need a big, strong center, not another small winger with injury concerns. If Yakupov is getting hammered hard enough by boys to get 2 concussions already, let the Oilers take him so that Lucic and the Bruins have less opportunities to hammer him into la-la land. Yakupov is not what the Habs (or the Oilers, to be honest) need.
Heck, I wouldn't trade Subban for the 1st overall straight up, and have said so all season long. Subban brings more of what we need than Yakupov does. Add to the fact that our 3rd should get us the big center we NEED and the deal looks even worse because we are getting a smallish, twice concussed winger for Subban and a big strong young center.
So, "NO" is the simple answer, read above for the explanation...
First of all, Montreal would never do this deal. PK is too important to that team.
Also, i don't know why some posters talk about Paajarvi as if he's a scrub. He still has a considerable amount of upside. 6'3" blazing speed, solid defensively and has a good attitude. He's going to be a good player.
I wouldn't trade him now anyway, his value is too low and you don't trade a player with his skillset at its lowest value and of course, Nail is ours, he's not going anywhere.
First of all, Montreal would never do this deal. PK is too important to that team.
Also, i don't know why some posters talk about Paajarvi as if he's a scrub. He still has a considerable amount of upside. 6'3" blazing speed, solid defensively and has a good attitude. He's going to be a good player.
I wouldn't trade him now anyway, his value is too low and you don't trade a player with his skillset at its lowest value and of course, Nail is ours, he's not going anywhere.
I'd take MPS on my team any day. The kids a player. and after only 2 pro seasons he can't be called anything other than a work in progress. He's only 20 yo!
as many have said. PK is going no where. If you want the 3rd over and a prospect and another pick in exchange for the 1st overall then we can talk.
Subban + Grigs/Gally/Murray > Yakupov
We have enough Whitney type d-men. We have only 1 Subban. Thank you, but "no". Again, the player available at the 1st overall is NOT someone who fills a "need" for us when there are guys like Galchenyuk in the draft who DO fill a "need" for us and will NOT be taken 1st overall. Whitney is too much of an injury concern to make him part of a deal for Subban, and is too much like other non-physical puck movers on our team. In other words, Whitney does not bring anything to our team that we do not already have in Markov and Kaberle. He is NOT a replacement for Subban.
3rd overall
Tinordi/Beaulieu
Average Roster Player
2nd
Thats the most I would give up to move from #3 to #1. If that is not enough, thats fine. We`ll stay at #3 and pick Grigo or Gally and actually fill a big need.
3rd overall
Tinordi/Beaulieu
Average Roster Player
2nd
Thats the most I would give up to move from #3 to #1. If that is not enough, thats fine. We`ll stay at #3 and pick Grigo or Gally and actually fill a big need.
Really? You would add either Tinordi or Beaulieu? All of that for a guy with injury concerns, who is smallish, and does not fill a "need" position on our team? The only way I do that is if I know there is someone waiting to make me a better offer for Yakupov than the one we give up. Otherwise, I see no reason to give up Tinordi or Beaulieu when we can happily draft the big center we need with our own 3rd overall pick.
Ya and that's why majority of scouts say yakupov is on a completely different level than the rest. As for injury's, just bad luck. his play style doesn't make him too vulnerable for the big hit's like hall does. Yak avoids them similar too RNH. I'm not too concerned about him.
As for this trade proposal, and many others involving edm and other Canadians teams. It just makes me cringe. There will never been an agreement on a trade. Fans just overate there players so much. but I also feel alot of you are underrating Yakupov, if edm didn't have the 1st pick, everyone would think Yakupov is a pure star. but know that we have the pick, All I hear is: He's a bust, Injury Prone, he's a russian, and a lot of other BS.
We'll keep him.
I'm just repeating what Bob Mckenzie said in his final rankings. He said earlier in the year there was a clear cut difference between Yakupov and the rest, but as the season had progressed that difference has been somehwhat reduced...Don't shoot the messenger!
I'm not saying that he isn't the clear cut number 1, just that their maybe isn't a big a difference between him and the others as there once was.
I'm just repeating what Bob Mckenzie said in his final rankings. He said earlier in the year there was a clear cut difference between Yakupov and the rest, but as the season had progressed that difference has been somehwhat reduced...Don't shoot the messenger!
Well technically, he said that the gap somewhat shrunk due to Yakupov's fairly underwhelming playoff performance, not as the season progressed. I'm pretty sure that Murray's strong playoff performance also had something to do with the gap shrinking a bit but the general consensus is that the gap is still pretty big.
Really? You would add either Tinordi or Beaulieu? All of that for a guy with injury concerns, who is smallish, and does not fill a "need" position on our team? The only way I do that is if I know there is someone waiting to make me a better offer for Yakupov than the one we give up. Otherwise, I see no reason to give up Tinordi or Beaulieu when we can happily draft the big center we need with our own 3rd overall pick.
I agree with you for the most part. But all reports him as being a special player, even if it isnt a direct need on this team. Its still a deal worth making. The Habs have a decent prospect pool on defence so giving up one of those guys doesnt hurt too bad.
I also dont know where he gets the injury problem tag. He got nailed once and missed a few games....
I think some Habs fans here are really downplaying Yakupov who's an amazing talent well over the rest of his peers in this year's draft.
That said, it is true he doesn't fill enough of a need for the Habs to even start considering proposals initiated by non-Habs fans (mostly Oilers) in this thread.
If you guys want Subban, fine, we can discuss that (because we all know in reality it won't happen, as it should be). But there is no way the 3rd overall is coming back your way, and MPS, Whitney and other 2nd tier prospects/players on your team won't change that.
So basically, it would be something like 1st overall for Subban + ? (and I don't even desire a 1-for-1 swap but when I distance myself from my man-crush on Subban, I know something decent – not huge – has to be added to get that 1st pick).
