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you evaluation of kulemin is based solely on statistics. it doesnt reflect kulemins 2 way game which in my opinion is vastly superior to that of stewarts. the difference in 6 goals is mitigated by this 2 way play.
i think gunnarson would be in play for stewart but im not sure about the 2nd. there is also a salary cap issue. im sure a prospect valued at around a 2nd round pick could be negotiated but i think st louis would need to take some salary back.
im thinking maybe gunnarson, ashton, and armstrong or lombardi (both have 1 year left)
Gotta take into account Stewart's ability to defend himself and teammates.
We are debating Kulemin for Stewart? None of us would ever make that trade. Coolaidman would be 3rd/4th line depth on our team while we still have hope that Stewy can be the 30/30 guy hes shown he can be. The blues don't need anything on the leafs except Kessel or the first, are you going to trade either? NOPE! Theres really no point in this thread.
If the Blues are moving Stewart they are not taking a cap dump in return.
thats fine but for the leafs to take on a player who is already making $2.75 million and is an rfa. he is likely going to get over $3.5 million but probably closer to $4 million. its a difference of ~$3 million for the leafs. without moving salary it would be flat out impossible. if you look to move stewart to another team for a player comparable to gunnarson + that player is likely going to be making over $1.35 million x term. at least you get gunnarson on the cheap for a little bit + 1 year of cap dump of $3 million. its still probably cheaper in the long run.
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Gotta take into account Stewart's ability to defend himself and teammates.
true, its 100% a valuable trait and an area the leafs especially need badly. having said that do you really want your best players fighting? didnt he already break his hand once in a fight? i think his appeal is his gritty play and ability to put the puck in the net.
being tough/able to fight and defend yourself while valuable, is not as valuable as being able to play above average defense imo.
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We are debating Kulemin for Stewart? None of us would ever make that trade. Coolaidman would be 3rd/4th line depth on our team while we still have hope that Stewy can be the 30/30 guy hes shown he can be. The blues don't need anything on the leafs except Kessel or the first, are you going to trade either? NOPE! Theres really no point in this thread.
wasnt stewart playing on your 4th line for parts of this year? i missed the 1st playoff game, which line does hitch have him playing on?
i think most people would prefer stewart to kulemin, i dont deny that but the difference between the 2 is not nearly as drastic as you make it seem. stewart put up 30 points in 79 games, kulemin put up 28 points in 70 games. you hope that stewart will become a 30/30 guy, the leafs hope the same way with kulemin.
St Louis would be stupid to trade Stewart at this point(it would be a basic case of buy high, sell low). Only way I would trade Stewart is if a team offers me what he was worth at the end of last season
Unfortunately this is what I thought when Brad Boyes fell from 33g 39a 72pts to 14g 28a 42p. I can remember it now "It was one bad year. He's a previous 40 goal scorer. We will regret if he bounces back after trading him. His value is at its lowest and can't get any lower." Boy(es) was I wrong.
thats fine but for the leafs to take on a player who is already making $2.75 million and is an rfa. he is likely going to get over $3.5 million but probably closer to $4 million. its a difference of ~$3 million for the leafs. without moving salary it would be flat out impossible. if you look to move stewart to another team for a player comparable to gunnarson + that player is likely going to be making over $1.35 million x term. at least you get gunnarson on the cheap for a little bit + 1 year of cap dump of $3 million. its still probably cheaper in the long run.
true, its 100% a valuable trait and an area the leafs especially need badly. having said that do you really want your best players fighting? didnt he already break his hand once in a fight? i think his appeal is his gritty play and ability to put the puck in the net.
being tough/able to fight and defend yourself while valuable, is not as valuable as being able to play above average defense imo.
wasnt stewart playing on your 4th line for parts of this year? i missed the 1st playoff game, which line does hitch have him playing on?
i think most people would prefer stewart to kulemin, i dont deny that but the difference between the 2 is not nearly as drastic as you make it seem. stewart put up 30 points in 79 games, kulemin put up 28 points in 70 games. you hope that stewart will become a 30/30 guy, the leafs hope the same way with kulemin.
How about the Leafs keep their players and the Blues keep theirs. That solves everything. Nothing to discuss here.
How about the Leafs keep their players and the Blues keep theirs. That solves everything. Nothing to discuss here.
This is a board for everyone to come and talk hockey..So i don't know why your on here trying to tell people to not discuss.. If you don't really want to be part of it, your free to not be.. Stop coming on here and posting pointless posts....
This is a board for everyone to come and talk hockey..So i don't know why your on here trying to tell people to not discuss.. If you don't really want to be part of it, your free to not be.. Stop coming on here and posting pointless posts....
The thing is there is no workable deal that we would agree on it has been talked about over and over and over. I have made posts that explain why non of the trades Leaf fans post make any sense for the Blues. If you would like to just talk to Leaf fans then just leave the posts on the Leafs board. If you want the opinions of the other teams fan bases post here. The Blues are a budget teams the Blues are full of young talent that will get raises. Trading for players that do not have a place on our team that are cap dumps for the other team makes no sense.
The Blues are full of depth players. The Blues do not need more depth players. The Blues major need is a superstar goal scoring forward. Most Blues fans understand the price of such a player. Trading for that type of player would cost the team to much and would end up hurting them in the end. That is why in general most Blues fans are content with our team the way it is. If the Blues were not a budget team it would make much more sense to wait until the offseason and try to sign Parise or Suter then to give up what it would cost to get a comparable player.
Kessel and possibly Gardiner are the players the Blues would be interested in on the Leafs. The Blues would not be willing to give up the assets that Toronto fans would want for either one. Also to a lesser extent Gardiner is still unproven after just one good season.
The answer here is simpler than you think. End of season comes, Blues submit the qualifying offer of 1 year, 3.25M. It sits while they negotiate. Toronto comes in and offers 3 yrs, 4M, Blues don't even consider matching, Blues get Leafs' 2013 1st and 3d round picks. Done.
you evaluation of kulemin is based solely on statistics. it doesnt reflect kulemins 2 way game which in my opinion is vastly superior to that of stewarts. the difference in 6 goals is mitigated by this 2 way play.
i think gunnarson would be in play for stewart but im not sure about the 2nd. there is also a salary cap issue. im sure a prospect valued at around a 2nd round pick could be negotiated but i think st louis would need to take some salary back.
im thinking maybe gunnarson, ashton, and armstrong or lombardi (both have 1 year left)
We don't need help in the 2-way department we need top end scoring and a legit top pairing d-man to help carry the load. That's why it's completely ignored when comparing Kulemin and Stewart.
We have been over this plenty of times. Sure, we would be interested in Gunnarsson, but he wouldn't be on top 10 list of targets. The only way Stewart goes to Toronto is if we settle or Burke overpays.
For the record, I believe Tarasenko will force Stewart to be traded in the summer.
Doesn't Stewart play the LW? I can't remember. If so he is moving Lupul off the team pretty much, not that it's a bad thing since Lupul could get us a shot at a 1st round pick or a defensive prospect to slide in for Gunnarsson.
Tor:
Stewart
STL 1st( depending on how they finish in the P.O.) I'm assuming pick will be 20-24th
STL:
Tor 1st
I really want Reinhart
Or
Forsberg
I was about to make the same trade proposal.
I don't know if that would be enough to get us Toronto's 5th overall but maybe Tampa Bay's 10th or Washington's 11th overall pick could get it done... right around where Griffin Reinhart is projected to be drafted.
Doesn't Stewart play the LW? I can't remember. If so he is moving Lupul off the team pretty much, not that it's a bad thing since Lupul could get us a shot at a 1st round pick or a defensive prospect to slide in for Gunnarsson.
It's possible that one game since he arrived in St. Louis he played LW, maybe. It's been 99%-100% RW with the Blues.
I'd most likely do Gunnar+2nd for Stewart from a Leafs POV.
Just curious, what has been holding him back from producing?
He's not earning extra minutes to get more chances by playing the "200 ft. game" Hitchcock demands of his players, and doesn't have a superb playmaker making his job that much easier when he was in the top 6 McDonald and Perron were hurt and since then he just doesn't deserve it.
He's not earning extra minutes to get more chances by playing the "200 ft. game" Hitchcock demands of his players, and doesn't have a superb playmaker making his job that much easier when he was in the top 6 McDonald and Perron were hurt and since then he just doesn't deserve it.
This combined with our offense style. Stewart is much more suited for a run n gun style, and not the cycle. He just looks so awkward and uncomfortable on the ice.
