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Neuvirth to Toronto

Could Neuvirth+ land 5th overall pick for Washington?

Remember Varlamov trade. Caps got pick that was realistically projected to be 5-15 (and ended up being 11th). Neuvirth doesn't have "Russian factor", is not an RFA, has a cap friendly contract and doesn't get injured nearly as much as Valry during his time in DC. Caps also got a second-rounder for Varly.

Taking that into account, I don't think it will take a lot of "+" in that trade. Thoughts?

[Untouchables: Ovechkin, Alzner, Backstrom. Hard to get: Chimera, Brouwer, Carlson, Orlov].

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Could Neuvirth+ land 5th overall pick for Washington?

Remember Varlamov trade. Caps got pick that was realistically projected to be 5-15 (and ended up being 11th). Neuvirth doesn't have "Russian factor", is not an RFA, has a cap friendly contract and doesn't get injured nearly as much as Valry during his time in DC. Caps also got a second-rounder for Varly.

Taking that into account, I don't think it will take a lot of "+" in that trade. Thoughts?

[Untouchables: Ovechkin, Alzner, Backstrom. Hard to get: Chimera, Brouwer, Carlson, Orlov].

OK so once again we have a team who wants a top 5 pick but lists a ton of untouchables. HFBoards at its best.


I dont see it TBH. I would think TO would want a more established goalie. If TO was willing to part with the pick, they could do much better than Neuvirth

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No reason to move the 5th overall pick for a marginal upgrade in goal.

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OK so once again we have a team who wants a top 5 pick but lists a ton of untouchables. HFBoards at its best.


I dont see it TBH. I would think TO would want a more established goalie. Especially if you are asking for thier 1st this year.
That's too bad we can't send another goalie to Colorado.

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That's too bad we can't send another goalie to Colorado.
Varlamov >>>>>>>>> Neuvirth

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No reason to move the 5th overall pick for a marginal upgrade in goal.
If you think Neuvirth is not a huge upgrade over Gustavsson/Reimer: He is. He is now an NHL starting goalie on most of the teams. Should be mentioned on the same breath with guys like Rask and Schneider, who are trade away from becoming elite goalies.

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Varlamov >>>>>>>>> Neuvirth
Yeah. In Denver, he'd cost just one non-playoff pick

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That's too bad we can't send another goalie to Colorado.

I think you would be better off trying to trade Holtby to CBJ or Edmonton. Both teams could use a young goalie with tons of potential.

IMO toronto would want more of a veteran guy. Someone who could handle the pressure in TO.

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If you think Neuvirth is not a huge upgrade over Gustavsson/Reimer: He is. He is now an NHL starting goalie on most of the teams. Should be mentioned on the same breath with guys like Rask and Schneider, who are trade away from becoming elite goalies.
No he isn't, if he was you wouldn't offer him in a trade.

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I think you would be better off trying to trade Holtby to CBJ or Edmonton. Both teams could use a young goalie with tons of potential.

IMO toronto would want more of a veteran guy. Someone who could handle the pressure in TO.
I'd really be hesitant to move Holtby. I think Neuvirth to Columbus for LA's first+ a young player on a friendly contract would do it.

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Yeah. In Denver, he'd cost just one non-playoff pick
What are you rambling about?

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What are you rambling about?
Price you paid us for Varly was way too high. Even considering Neuvy's not as talented (doubtful) we'd get a nive return.

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No he isn't, if he was you wouldn't offer him in a trade.
WHy I'd trade him: He'll ask the huge raise next year and we have Holtby and Gru. That's just kind of trade where you try to convert depth at one position into depth at the other.

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Could Neuvirth+ land 5th overall pick for Washington?

Remember Varlamov trade. Caps got pick that was realistically projected to be 5-15 (and ended up being 11th). Neuvirth doesn't have "Russian factor", is not an RFA, has a cap friendly contract and doesn't get injured nearly as much as Valry during his time in DC. Caps also got a second-rounder for Varly.

Taking that into account, I don't think it will take a lot of "+" in that trade. Thoughts?

[Untouchables: Ovechkin, Alzner, Backstrom. Hard to get: Chimera, Brouwer, Carlson, Orlov].
Neuvirth + Kuznetsov and its a deal.

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If you think Neuvirth is not a huge upgrade over Gustavsson/Reimer: He is. He is now an NHL starting goalie on most of the teams. Should be mentioned on the same breath with guys like Rask and Schneider, who are trade away from becoming elite goalies.
He's not; I'm a Neuvirth fan. He's a goalie with the potential to become a half-decent starter, not a guarantee by any means but he does have the skill.

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If you think Neuvirth is not a huge upgrade over Gustavsson/Reimer: He is. He is now an NHL starting goalie on most of the teams. Should be mentioned on the same breath with guys like Rask and Schneider, who are trade away from becoming elite goalies.
Player S% GAA
Neuvirth .903 2.82
Schneider .937 1.96
Rask .929 2.05

No, he should not be mentioned with guys like Rask and Schneider.

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Could Neuvirth+ land 5th overall pick for Washington?

Remember Varlamov trade. Caps got pick that was realistically projected to be 5-15 (and ended up being 11th). Neuvirth doesn't have "Russian factor", is not an RFA, has a cap friendly contract and doesn't get injured nearly as much as Valry during his time in DC. Caps also got a second-rounder for Varly.

Taking that into account, I don't think it will take a lot of "+" in that trade. Thoughts?

[Untouchables: Ovechkin, Alzner, Backstrom. Hard to get: Chimera, Brouwer, Carlson, Orlov].
dream on man

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Neuvirth + Kuznetsov and its a deal.
Kidding? You wanna get best prospect in the world (The Hockey News) and a young starting goalie for one pick? That doesn't make sense.

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If you think Neuvirth is not a huge upgrade over Gustavsson/Reimer: He is. He is now an NHL starting goalie on most of the teams. Should be mentioned on the same breath with guys like Rask and Schneider, who are trade away from becoming elite goalies.

He would start on most teams?? well here is a list of the starting NHL goalies, please enlighten us. Which ones is he CLEARLY better than.

Luongo
Lundquist
Halak
Fleury
Rienne
Thomas
Howard
Brodeur
Crawford
Smith
Niemi
Quick
Theo
Anderson
Kipper
Lehtonen
Miller
Varlamov
Rolie
Pavelec
ward
Backstrom
Hiller
Reimer
Nabokov
Price
Dubnyk
Mason

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Player S% GAA
Neuvirth .903 2.82
Schneider .937 1.96
Rask .929 2.05

No, he should not be mentioned with guys like Rask and Schneider.
Well, you're right. Please just note that he is two years younger than Schneider and one year younger than Rask.

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Luongo
Lundquist
Halak
Fleury
Rienne
Thomas
Howard
Brodeur
Crawford
Smith
Niemi
Quick
Theo
Anderson
Kipper
Lehtonen
Miller
Varlamov
Rolie
Pavelec
ward
Backstrom
Hiller
Reimer
Nabokov
Price
Dubnyk
Mason
The ones that I think are worse than him are in bold. The one that I think he'd compete for starting job right now are in italics. Overall, that's 14 of 30 teams.

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Well, you're right. Please just note that he is two years younger than Schneider and one year younger than Rask.

If he would be the starter on most teams, how come he isnt even the starter for YOUR team?

He played only 38 games this year and put up average numbers at best.

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Neuvirth for the fifth overall pick? wtf? LOL. He's not even any better then what we already have internally. Talk about over-valuing. Then on top of that you mention players who are untouchable. The most untouchable piece is the damn draft pick. Toronto will keep the pick or potentially move up or down a few spots, we need to continue building up our prospects. The only way that pick is being dealt straight up for a goalie is for a damn good one like a Schneider. Neuvirth is nowhere near that level. Not even close.

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Player S% GAA
Neuvirth .903 2.82
Schneider .937 1.96
Rask .929 2.05

No, he should not be mentioned with guys like Rask and Schneider.
Riemer .900 3.10
monster .902 2.92


neuvirth is a minimal upgrade

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If he would be the starter on most teams, how come he isnt even the starter for YOUR team?

He played only 38 games this year and put up average numbers at best.
Because we have Vokoun - that's an easy question.
Tomas Vokoun signing was a psychological blow for him. He thought he'll be a go-to guy but things changed quickly and he wasn't at his best this year. He doesn't get nearly enough trust from the management.

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