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Because we have Vokoun - that's an easy question.
Tomas Vokoun signing was a psychological blow for him. He thought he'll be a go-to guy but things changed quickly and he wasn't at his best this year. He doesn't get nearly enough trust from the management.
The ones that I think are worse than him are in bold. The one that I think he'd compete for starting job right now are in italics. Overall, that's 14 of 30 teams.
Please enlighten me how he's better then Reimer. Especially when he plays behind a better team in the Caps. A .902 SV% this season...those are backups numbers. A .914SV% before that. You wanna guess what the league average SV% is? .914. Could you imagine if a Leafs fan made a thread offering Reimer+a list of untouchables for the fifth overall pick?
Reimer had one breakout year. He's never played like that before and may never play like that again. On the other hand, Neuvirth was a first round selection, had two solid years and then he should've been traded right after Voki was signed. He wasn't, and had a bad year.
Kidding? You wanna get best prospect in the world (The Hockey News) and a young starting goalie for one pick? That doesn't make sense.
You want a great pick for one of the worst starting goalies in the league and a couple of spare parts? If Neuvirth plays that poorly behind a the capitals, one can only imagine whats in store for the leafs.
I must add that if Kuznetsov starts looking like he wont be coming over anytime soon, his value will start significantly decreasing.
Reimer had one breakout year. He's never played like that before and may never play like that again. On the other hand, Neuvirth was a first round selection, had two solid years and then he should've been traded right after Voki was signed. He wasn't, and had a bad year.
Before Reimers concussion he was lights out, and the leafs were top of the league. As soon as he went down, the leafs played .500 hockey and eventually collapsed.
You want a great pick for one of the worst starting goalies in the league and a couple of spare parts? If Neuvirth plays that poorly behind a the capitals, one can only imagine whats in store for the leafs.
I must add that if Kuznetsov starts looking like he wont be coming over anytime soon, his value will start significantly decreasing.
Spare parts? No. That would be a very good player (for Toronto) Maybe even Marcus Johansson, I don't know.
The ones that I think are worse than him are in bold. The one that I think he'd compete for starting job right now are in italics. Overall, that's 14 of 30 teams.
Just so we are clear, these are the goalies that you think he is better than or could compete for the #1
Crawford
Niemi
Theo
Anderson
Varlamov
Pavelec
ward
Reimer
Nabokov
Dubnyk
Mason
Backstrom
Rolie
Before Reimers concussion he was lights out, and the leafs were top of the league. As soon as he went down, the leafs played .500 hockey and eventually collapsed.
Michal Neuvirth 13W 13L 5 OTL 0.902%
James Reimer 14W 14L 4OTL 0.900%
Massive upgrade.
definetly worth a #5 pick,or maybe just maybe the # 2 pick
Just so we are clear, these are the goalies that you think he is better than or could compete for the #1
Crawford
Niemi
Theo
Anderson
Varlamov
Pavelec
ward
Reimer
Nabokov
Dubnyk
Mason
Backstrom
Rolie
Yes. Though some goalies on that list (Backstrom, Theodore, Varlamov) are better than others (Rolo, Mason).
And BTW, I'm not sure (didn't do the math) but I think Neuvy is one of those guys who is way worse under Hunter. Hunter made a couple of bad decisions as well, not sticking with the goalies and making it a 'carousel'
Could Neuvirth+ land 5th overall pick for Washington?
Remember Varlamov trade. Caps got pick that was realistically projected to be 5-15 (and ended up being 11th). Neuvirth doesn't have "Russian factor", is not an RFA, has a cap friendly contract and doesn't get injured nearly as much as Valry during his time in DC. Caps also got a second-rounder for Varly.
Taking that into account, I don't think it will take a lot of "+" in that trade. Thoughts?
[Untouchables: Ovechkin, Alzner, Backstrom. Hard to get: Chimera, Brouwer, Carlson, Orlov].
Varlamov had a higher ceiling than Neuvirth does, and everyone knows in retrospect that it was an awful deal for Colorado, so I wouldn't use it as a baseline for another trade.
I wouldn't move the 5th overall unless the + was quite significant.
Toronto would be most interested bundling it up to get Backstrom, which would clearly be a non-starter for Washington.
Right now, the Caps have a pending UFA and two young goalies. Unless you assume Vokoun re-ups for a song once again, the Caps probably mean to keep both Neuvirth and Holtby. Vokoun walks and tries to get a nice multi-year contract (again).
Varlamov had a higher ceiling than Neuvirth does, and everyone knows in retrospect that it was an awful deal for Colorado, so I wouldn't use it as a baseline for another trade.
I wouldn't move the 5th overall unless the + was quite significant.
Toronto would be most interested bundling it up to get Backstrom, which would clearly be a non-starter for Washington.
No it wasn't. 11th overall pick + a 2nd rounder for their goalie for the future is hardly awful.
Right now, the Caps have a pending UFA and two young goalies. Unless you assume Vokoun re-ups for a song once again, the Caps probably mean to keep both Neuvirth and Holtby. Vokoun walks and tries to get a nice multi-year contract (again).
I'd rather trade Neuvirth and sign Harding. Yes, that's a downgrade, but we have some roster holes that have to be addressed.
I think Neuvirth + 11 + 16 for either Columbus' or Toronto's pick would be pretty fair value. Probably makes more sense for Columbus, since they have virtually nothing in the way of goalie prospects, and should really be looking for quantity over quality at the moment. Then we've got Backstrom and Grigorenko down the middle for the next decade +, and Johansson and Kuznetsov can each play wing, which they're better suited for. The possibility of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Johansson and Semin-Grigorenko-Kuznetsov as our top two lines is just too much to pass up.
) Maybe even Marcus Johansson, I don't know.
