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- OTT 2012 1st (15th overall)
- Lehner (very young, top G prospect, won an AHL title and MVP last year, with NHL experience)
- One of Silfverberg/Zibanejad
- OTT 2012 1st (15th overall)
- Lehner (very young, top G prospect, won an AHL title and MVP last year, with NHL experience)
- One of Silfverberg/Zibanejad
To OTT :
- EDM 1st 2012
- 3rd in 2013 or 2013
Switch Zibanejad/Silfverberg with Cowen Oilers think about it.
Switch Zibanejad/Silfverberg with Cowen Oilers think about it.
I expected that was coming, though as good as Yak is, paying Lehner AND Cowen to upgrade 11 spots is gross overpayment, especially since we have no other prospects to fill either of their roles in the system. It would be two HUGE steps back to take one forward.
And the Oilers 'think' about it? Tambellini would suffer a stroke from running to the fax machine to fax that to the league.
I expected that was coming, though as good as Yak is, paying Lehner AND Cowen to upgrade 11 spots is gross overpayment, especially since we have no other prospects to fill either of their roles in the system. It would be two HUGE steps back to take one forward.
And the Oilers 'think' about it? Tambellini would suffer a stroke from running to the fax machine to fax that to the league.
The Oilers want a premier established or up and comming dman in any trade for Yakupov and as far as running to the fax Yakupov has franchise ability Lehner and Cowen although good do not.
The Oilers want a premier established or up and comming dman in any trade for Yakupov and as far as running to the fax Yakupov has franchise ability Lehner and Cowen although good do not.
I agree that they need good young Dmen, but they need a good young goalie, because you can score all you want, if you have a slice of swiss cheese in goal, you won't win very much. Yakupov is great, but if you draft him, you are adding to what is by far your strongest area, an area that you don't need any more of. At 15, you get a good young D prospec in a draft loaded with them, as well as another good young forward, and quite possibly the best goalie not in the NHL (who does have experience in the NHL, and experience performing in a pressure, playoff environment, winning MVP of the Calder Cup championship team). Its a great package that addresses multiple needs of yours, instead of adding to an already young, talent-laden forward corps.
Also, Yakupov is a blue-chipper no doubt, but still could bust, so Ottawa is taking the risk here much more than Edmonton, and that has to be factored in.
Also, how do you know that Lehner and Cowen don't have franchise potential? They are NINETEEN years (or maybe 20, not sure) old.
Last edited by internetdotcom: 04-13-2012 at 02:26 PM.
B's 1st rounder, Rask and D Hamilton for Yakupov and a later draft pick i can see. remember, as i have heard it here in Edmonton, the deal will have to "knock the Sox off" of Tambellini in order for him to move Yakupov.
If Edmonton didn't take that kind of deal for the first Tambellini would be fired. Boston would never offer that much.
I expected that was coming, though as good as Yak is, paying Lehner AND Cowen to upgrade 11 spots is gross overpayment, especially since we have no other prospects to fill either of their roles in the system. It would be two HUGE steps back to take one forward.
And the Oilers 'think' about it? Tambellini would suffer a stroke from running to the fax machine to fax that to the league.
It would be two steps back for one huge one forward. It will also be at least 14 spots, not 11. Other then that I get what you're saying though. Cowen, Lehner and a 1st may be to much to give up for Yakupov. The thing is, if you're not offering that, Edmonton doesn't really have any reason to make a deal.
It would be two steps back for one huge one forward. It will also be at least 14 spots, not 11. Other then that I get what you're saying though. Cowen, Lehner and a 1st may be to much to give up for Yakupov. The thing is, if you're not offering that, Edmonton doesn't really have any reason to make a deal.
Whoops, miscalculation on my part LOL
I still think though that its almost a given that EDM trades down, not necessarily to 15, but probably a few spots. They still get a good Dman, and other assets as well.
I agree that they need good young Dmen, but they need a good young goalie, because you can score all you want, if you have a slice of swiss cheese in goal, you won't win very much. Yakupov is great, but if you draft him, you are adding to what is by far your strongest area, an area that you don't need any more of. At 15, you get a good young D prospec in a draft loaded with them, as well as another good young forward, and quite possibly the best goalie not in the NHL (who does have experience in the NHL, and experience performing in a pressure, playoff environment, winning MVP of the Calder Cup championship team). Its a great package that addresses multiple needs of yours, instead of adding to an already young, talent-laden forward corps.
Also, Yakupov is a blue-chipper no doubt, but still could bust, so Ottawa is taking the risk here much more than Edmonton, and that has to be factored in.
Also, how do you know that Lehner and Cowen don't have franchise potential? They are NINETEEN years (or maybe 20, not sure) old.
The Oilers have Devan Dubnyk who's a first round pick who played well for them this season considering the defence in front of him.
Fun fact: the Ottawa Senators allowed more goals against this year than Edmonton did.
The Oilers are not going to blow up their core to get a goalie. Dubnyk has earned a shot at the no.1 spot next year and there are UFA goalies like Vokoun and Harding that could be had for nothing but cap space that the Oilers could use to upgrade on Khabibulin as the 1B if they wish.
I still think though that its almost a given that EDM trades down, not necessarily to 15, but probably a few spots. They still get a good Dman, and other assets as well.
Would EDM have been better if they traded down last year for #6 + Lehner ?
RNH > Zibanejad + Lehner
Trading down would have made sense if we did not win the lottery...
Passing up on Yakupov will haunt us forever. The fans here still remember Parise for Pouliot + Jacques trade down. And that wasnt even a top 10 pick let alone be the #1 pick.
I don't know, I think the Oilers make that trade. You could say that Hamilton is too raw and still needs a year before being an impact D, but I think if you give him that year he becomes untouchable. For me, Hamilton is a guy you jump on before he explodes. But then, I've been a huge Hamilton supporter since day 1 so I could very well have a skewed view of his value. At any rate, I really, really think he becomes a legit star defenseman in this league.
And all that is not even considering that Rask is a great young goalie and will likely get better.
Would EDM have been better if they traded down last year for #6 + Lehner ?
RNH > Zibanejad + Lehner
Trading down would have made sense if we did not win the lottery...
Passing up on Yakupov will haunt us forever. The fans here still remember Parise for Pouliot + Jacques trade down. And that wasnt even a top 10 pick let alone be the #1 pick.
It will take a huge overpayment to get that pick.
What relevance does that have to the situation now? EDM has, as top 6 forwards, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Smyth, Yakupov (if they pick him). You don't want a bunch of superstars filling out your top 6, because you have to pay them all if you want to keep them, and even if you get a 'hometown' discount and sign them at an average of 5 mill per after their ELCs, that's still 30 million on SIX players, none of which are D or G. You then, just to put a bare bones 21 man roster out there, have (depending on the cap) 30 to 35 mill to sign a whopping 15 players, and that leaves zero room for acquiring rentals, callups, injury replacements, etc. Not the way to build a team in the cap era. Having 6 great forwards, and toe jam making up your entire bottom 6, entire D, and both goalies and still being capped out, is no way to build a team in the cap era. And this is even assuming you can rid yourself of Horcoff.
What relevance does that have to the situation now? EDM has, as top 6 forwards, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Smyth, Yakupov (if they pick him). You don't want a bunch of superstars filling out your top 6, because you have to pay them all if you want to keep them, and even if you get a 'hometown' discount and sign them at an average of 5 mill per after their ELCs, that's still 30 million on SIX players, none of which are D or G. You then, just to put a bare bones 21 man roster out there, have (depending on the cap) 30 to 35 mill to sign a whopping 15 players, and that leaves zero room for acquiring rentals, callups, injury replacements, etc. Not the way to build a team in the cap era. Having 6 great forwards, and toe jam making up your entire bottom 6, entire D, and both goalies and still being capped out, is no way to build a team in the cap era. And this is even assuming you can rid yourself of Horcoff.
There is more to a hockey team than just scoring.
WHAT? SInce when? lol. serious though, good luck trying to convince Oiler fans of that.
Seguin yes. Chara yes.. Hamilton and Rask not so much..
What will it take to pry Seguin out of BOS ? the same would be for #1 pick if not more.
Well the difference is that Seguin is now at least somewhat proven. Who knows how much better he will be as he gets older, but he has already proven to be an impact player capable of leading his team in scoring for a season, and playing at the highest levels of postseason.
Honestly I think Boston would have no interest in a Rask and Hamilton deal for the #1 pick. Hamilton is an elite prospect who has done even more than expected since his draft, and is exactly the payer Boston needs and hasn't been able to develop in the last couple of decades. An elite skating PMD who can take control of a power play as well as be a strong player in his own end.
And Rask has shown over several seasons that he is one of the best young goalies in the NHL.
What relevance does that have to the situation now? EDM has, as top 6 forwards, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Smyth, Yakupov (if they pick him). You don't want a bunch of superstars filling out your top 6, because you have to pay them all if you want to keep them, and even if you get a 'hometown' discount and sign them at an average of 5 mill per after their ELCs, that's still 30 million on SIX players, none of which are D or G. You then, just to put a bare bones 21 man roster out there, have (depending on the cap) 30 to 35 mill to sign a whopping 15 players, and that leaves zero room for acquiring rentals, callups, injury replacements, etc. Not the way to build a team in the cap era. Having 6 great forwards, and toe jam making up your entire bottom 6, entire D, and both goalies and still being capped out, is no way to build a team in the cap era. And this is even assuming you can rid yourself of Horcoff.
There is more to a hockey team than just scoring.
Guess what, only one of them makes big money right now (Hemsky at 5) and that's not even huge money. When the time comes, and if the kids earn their big money, Edmonton will then move players in a deal if need be. But, we're talking 2 or 3 years down the road, Hemsky will be off the books, and Edmonton will do what they need to do at that time. But even if all 4 of those young guys get/earn 7 million per year deals, that means Edmonton has some amazing young talent, and they will be able to move some of it for a premium.
- OTT 2012 1st (15th overall)
- Lehner (very young, top G prospect, won an AHL title and MVP last year, with NHL experience)
- One of Silfverberg/Zibanejad
To OTT :
- EDM 1st 2012
- 3rd in 2013 or 2013
I dont think so.
maybe cowen+zbad. i think most oiler fans would want more though.
What relevance does that have to the situation now? EDM has, as top 6 forwards, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Smyth, Yakupov (if they pick him). You don't want a bunch of superstars filling out your top 6, because you have to pay them all if you want to keep them, and even if you get a 'hometown' discount and sign them at an average of 5 mill per after their ELCs, that's still 30 million on SIX players, none of which are D or G. You then, just to put a bare bones 21 man roster out there, have (depending on the cap) 30 to 35 mill to sign a whopping 15 players, and that leaves zero room for acquiring rentals, callups, injury replacements, etc. Not the way to build a team in the cap era. Having 6 great forwards, and toe jam making up your entire bottom 6, entire D, and both goalies and still being capped out, is no way to build a team in the cap era. And this is even assuming you can rid yourself of Horcoff.
There is more to a hockey team than just scoring.
Well, neither Hemsky nor Smyth will require the salary that the kids do. Smyth might not even be here next year and Hemsky comes off the books the year that RNH is an RFA. I think a good conservative number for the 4, on average, is 6 Mil/year (even then that's probably high, but its an average so...) That's 24 for 4 players. Given the cap increases, it's probably not a big stretch to say that the cap will be at 70Mil by the time that Yakupov gets signed. That would leave 46Mil to distribute among 17 players (about 2.7 average a player). I do agree though that the Oilers need to think about translating Yakupov into a star dman.
What relevance does that have to the situation now? EDM has, as top 6 forwards, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Smyth, Yakupov (if they pick him). You don't want a bunch of superstars filling out your top 6, because you have to pay them all if you want to keep them, and even if you get a 'hometown' discount and sign them at an average of 5 mill per after their ELCs, that's still 30 million on SIX players, none of which are D or G. You then, just to put a bare bones 21 man roster out there, have (depending on the cap) 30 to 35 mill to sign a whopping 15 players, and that leaves zero room for acquiring rentals, callups, injury replacements, etc. Not the way to build a team in the cap era. Having 6 great forwards, and toe jam making up your entire bottom 6, entire D, and both goalies and still being capped out, is no way to build a team in the cap era. And this is even assuming you can rid yourself of Horcoff.
There is more to a hockey team than just scoring.
1. Smyth isn't a top 6 forward.
2. How did the Sharks sign Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Havlat, Couture and still have enough left for defensemen and a goalie?
I want nothing to do with any deal involving Hamilton or Rask being shipped off to Edmonton. Nothing. The Bruins have enough offense and their top 6 is very youthful, however they lack prospect defenseman and goalers. When you take a look at Boston's cap situation after next season, adding Hall or Eberle to that crew that will need to be re-signed makes it even more of a problem for the Bruins. Trading Hamilton and Rask in the same deal for youthful offense makes zero sense from Boston's end.
