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I want nothing to do with any deal involving Hamilton or Rask being shipped off to Edmonton. Nothing. The Bruins have enough offense and their top 6 is very youthful, however they lack prospect defenseman and goalers. When you take a look at Boston's cap situation after next season, adding Hall or Eberle to that crew that will need to be re-signed makes it even more of a problem for the Bruins. Trading Hamilton and Rask in the same deal for youthful offense makes zero sense from Boston's end.
unless Rask or Hamilton are franchise players then I agree that it doesn't make sense for the B's to move them.
Eberle is not going anywhere, look what he accomplished on one of the worst teams in the league.
I still think though that its almost a given that EDM trades down
no it's not....it's actually more of a given that they'll pick Yakupov, because dispite all the interesting fan proposals, the Oilers probably won't be getting a massive offer for him.
Tim Thomas won't be a Bruin in two Years time, If we trade Rask the B's would Be without a Goalie, and we we don't really have any good Defence prospects except Hamilton and mabe Cross... SO NO!!! As good as Hall is Boston really can't afford to trade Rask Or Hamilton
Kevin Lowe said today that they will use the pick unless they are totally blown away by an offer. So all of these "thats overpayment" statements, while correct, are probably the type of deals necessary for the Oil to move the pick.
Rask alone does not get Yakupov. It's pretty clear that Yakupov and players that get mentioned in the same sentence as Pavel Bure don't come around often.
And with Thomas really getting on do Boston really want to deal Rask? They would prefer to deal Thomas wouldn't they?
Dougie Hamilton, Jared Knight, 2012 first rounder for Yakupov
Rask alone does not get Yakupov. It's pretty clear that Yakupov and players that get mentioned in the same sentence as Pavel Bure don't come around often.
And with Thomas really getting on do Boston really want to deal Rask? They would prefer to deal Thomas wouldn't they?
Dougie Hamilton, Jared Knight, 2012 first rounder for Yakupov
You are right about Boston not wanting to deal Rask, Chiarelli even said it publicly.
I don't blame you for wanting Hamilton, Knight, and a 1st for the 1st overall, but I really doubt Boston goes for that. Hamilton is the prospect that the Bruins need, they need to add young highly skilled D and as good as Yakupov is, he doesn't address a need.
If the Oilers were really considering trading this pick I just have to think that they really don't want to move down below the 5th pick. They are in the middle of a complete rebuild and I get the feeling they want one of the top 2 D in the draft if they move the pick.
Kevin Lowe said today that they will use the pick unless they are totally blown away by an offer. So all of these "thats overpayment" statements, while correct, are probably the type of deals necessary for the Oil to move the pick.
That is GM Strategy 101. Say that you have no intention of moving the pick, in order to drive up the offers and competition for it. I don't doubt they'd love to take Yakupov, but he's not what they need. If I'm the other GMs in the league, I don't offer them anything, and make them choose between taking Yakupov and still not having any blue chip D prospects (and continuing to stink), or drafting the Dman they need, then Yak and the other F prospects drop down without giving up any assets to move up.
Kevin Lowe said today that they will use the pick unless they are totally blown away by an offer. So all of these "thats overpayment" statements, while correct, are probably the type of deals necessary for the Oil to move the pick.
It would be absolutely the first time a GM has ever said something and done another.
Rask + Hamilton
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1st (Yakupov) + 1st(2013) + 2nd(2012)
Why would the Bruins do that?
They are not rebuilding and Hamilton and Rask fill exactly the needs the Bruins have. Teams don't trade players they need for players they don't need even if the value is there.
Not only wouldn't Boston do that, Edmonton wouldn't do that, not when they would have the teams that have the 3rd-8th pick falling all over themselves to trade up if the Oilers decided to trade that pick. They could move the 1st overall for a lower pick but still in the top 8 or 9, possibly draft a D like Dumba all while still retaining their pick next year, their 2nd this year, and a very nice piece would have to be added by any team to move up to 1st overall. They could also draft D with all of their remaining picks if they wanted. I think there will still be a useful player available at the 31st pick.
Look at Boston, that is a team practically built on 2nd round picks. So while the value of your proposal might not be real bad, it doesn't really take into account Boston's needs.
Tim Thomas won't be a Bruin in two Years time, If we trade Rask the B's would Be without a Goalie, and we we don't really have any good Defence prospects except Hamilton and mabe Cross... SO NO!!! As good as Hall is Boston really can't afford to trade Rask Or Hamilton
Not so sure about that. If he's healthy after next year. I'd give Thomas a 3yr contract. Rask can't sit forever. I'm satisfied with Bruins top 6 forwards. I'd talk to Columbus about that 2nd pick. Won't be as costly. And, you can get another elite young defenseman to go along with Hamilton. Ryan Murray.
The two teams have the same long term needs IE a top pairing D-man and a solid NHL starting netminder. I don't get why (and I'm not directing this at you Edmonton fans as I know his thread was started by a B's fan) the Bruins would part with either of these things to get another scoring winger?
Creating one or two holes to bolster an offense for a couple years is not a way to manage a team. The pieces Boston could afford to part with for a winger would be their 1st, Horton, and any of their forward prospects. Rask and Hamilton should be untouchable with Boston's complete lack of depth at goalie and D in the minors.
We need Chara and Thomas replacements. Our top-6 is all 26 or under. I don't see need.
Dougie Hamilton is a high end D prospect, which Boston doesn't have many of. As for Rask well Chiarelli even said publicly that Rask is Bostons Future #1. As good as Yakupov is, it doesn't fit our need we have all kinds of Wingers, What Boston Needs and had in Hamilton is a good Defenecman. Rask, Hamilton, Seguin are all untouchable!!!By trading these three players Boston would be trading there future.
The two teams have the same long term needs IE a top pairing D-man and a solid NHL starting netminder. I don't get why (and I'm not directing this at you Edmonton fans as I know his thread was started by a B's fan) the Bruins would part with either of these things to get another scoring winger?
Creating one or two holes to bolster an offense for a couple years is not a way to manage a team. The pieces Boston could afford to part with for a winger would be their 1st, Horton, and any of their forward prospects. Rask and Hamilton should be untouchable with Boston's complete lack of depth at goalie and D in the minors.
We need Chara and Thomas replacements. Our top-6 is all 26 or under. I don't see need.
Defense and Goal-tending are the two missing pieces Edmonton need and that is why they are arguing trying to pry them from us.
Not so sure about that. If he's healthy after next year. I'd give Thomas a 3yr contract. Rask can't sit forever. I'm satisfied with Bruins top 6 forwards. I'd talk to Columbus about that 2nd pick. Won't be as costly. And, you can get another elite young defenseman to go along with Hamilton. Ryan Murray.
So you would trade a Future #1 goalie that will prob play for the next 15 year in order to to keep a 38 year old goalie that as best 2 good years left. Your profile doesn't say where you are from but I think I can figure it out. As for Hamilton well he is a high end Prospect D-man he was slated to go in the top 5 in last, but he slipped to 9th over all and if you look at his stats you know.
unless Rask or Hamilton are franchise players then I agree that it doesn't make sense for the B's to move them.
Eberle is not going anywhere, look what he accomplished on one of the worst teams in the league.
Both players have the talent, promise, and a chance of becoming franchise players or one of the best at their respective positions. Obviously we can't say what they will pan out to be right now nor are we be able to place a definite value on them because Rask is still the starter of the future and Hamilton is still in the OHL.
I understand that Eberle is going nowhere, but to pry either one of Rask or Hamilton out of Boston it would take Eberle, sheerly because it will take an overpayment.
Both players have the talent, promise, and a chance of becoming franchise players or one of the best at their respective positions. Obviously we can't say what they will pan out to be right now nor are we be able to place a definite value on them because Rask is still the starter of the future and Hamilton is still in the OHL.
I understand that Eberle is going nowhere, but to pry either one of Rask or Hamilton out of Boston it would take Eberle, sheerly because it will take an overpayment.
Oilers have no intentions of dealing Eberle, it would be Boston calling about overpaying for Eberle, not the other way around. Eberle>Rask+Hamilton
Dougie Hamilton is a high end D prospect, which Boston doesn't have many of. As for Rask well Chiarelli even said publicly that Rask is Bostons Future #1. As good as Yakupov is, it doesn't fit our need we have all kinds of Wingers, What Boston Needs and had in Hamilton is a good Defenecman. Rask, Hamilton, Seguin are all untouchable!!!By trading these three players Boston would be trading there future.
Oilers have no intentions of dealing Eberle, it would be Boston calling about overpaying for Eberle, not the other way around. Eberle>Rask+Hamilton
Boston has no intention to trade Rask, Hamilton and Edmonton has no intention to trade Eberle, Hall, Ted Nudgen Hopkins, Not that I thing that would be the asking price for Rask or Hamilton if they were on the Table which they aren't, Boston is happy!! Edmonton is Happy!! DISCUSSION OVER!!!
It would be absolutely the first time a GM has ever said something and done another.
It's not like he's lying. He said they would trade the pick if someone knocked their socks off...but he doesn't expect that to happen. Kevin Lowe has always been up front with Oilers fans.
Think about what it would take to pry Seguin from the Bruins. Do you think anyone would realistically offer that package for Yakupov?
When was the last time a top 3 pick traded away? Nevermind a 1st overall pick with a consensus top prospect? It wishful thinking. Only an idiot would give the Oilers what they would want for that pick.
With Edmonton winning the Yakupov lottery, would be curious if there could be any value in Tuukka Rask being traded for one of their top line youngsters, ideally Hall. What would have to be added from Boston's side. Spooner & a 1st? Hamilton (rather not see them move him)? More/Less.
I'm thinking the B's could use Khudobin as back-up next year and re-evaluate where Thomas is after his contract is up next season.
1st line winger for a backup??? really? Tambo would be run down and drowned for trading hallsy for Rask. I like rask think he'll have a long career, but Oilers wont trade hallsy. They have potentially the most lethal top six in the nhl in the years to come.
My line of thought from a boston point of view. Who does Edmonton add to hall for rask.
Why the hell would Edmonton be the ones adding? Hall's value is much higher than Rasks and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. If I recall, Boston fans wanted Hall badly during the 2010 draft, and were more than willing to give up Rask+ for him.
