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The obvious thread of fans over valuing their team. They have been saying that Yak is a better talent and will be a better player than, RNH, Hall, Seguin and Tavres so that is quite the player to give up.
I say we draft Yak and go with:
Harti; RNH; Eberle
PRV; Hall; Yak
That is a good dose of size, speed and skill in the top 6. We can trade away Hemsky and Gagner plus other prospects for the dman that we need. All we have to do now is sign Schultz and I would be happy.
Why the hell would Edmonton be the ones adding? Hall's value is much higher than Rasks and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. If I recall, Boston fans wanted Hall badly during the 2010 draft, and were more than willing to give up Rask+ for him.
As a bruins fan, I see more value in a player that is given to be a proven NHL starting goalie in the future.
I see much less value in a player who has been sidelined by injuries two years in a row, is ever even going to be healthy for a season? If the bruins made the playoffs with him, would he even be available?
To a poster below you....
It was your side who started this ludicrous line of thought. I have commented that I think Edmonton's pick should be stripped in favor of Columbus, or even a different team that "tries".
And I'd take my bruins as is over anyday over a team who's best couple of players cant play a full season.
I like Rask more than Hall, I imagine that I am not alone.
Yeah the top scorer on the #2 team in the East this year, in a season where he was 19 for 4 months. Yeah Seguin is completely overrated
Taylor Hall had a higher PPG, so the argument can go both ways. Lets not get into a Hall vs Seguin debate and assume they're equal for the sake of it. Who would you as a Bruins fan rather have? Seguin or Rask?
Yeah the top scorer on the #2 team in the East this year, in a season where he was 19 for 4 months. Yeah Seguin is completely overrated
Did i say Seguin was overrated? If you saw the post I quoted, I was referring to how the poster was making seguin sound so much better than Hall. Which He isn't the case.
Taylor Hall had a higher PPG, so the argument can go both ways. Lets not get into a Hall vs Seguin debate and assume they're equal for the sake of it. Who would you as a Bruins fan rather have? Seguin or Rask?
Fair Enough, I am quite certain Boston wouldn't trade Seguin for Hall (or Yakupov), and you are probably correct in saying that edmonton would not trade Hall for Seguin (I am reasonably confident speaking from boston POV, less so from Edmonton's)
In terms of Seguin or Rask, clearly if they had to pick, boston would pick Seguin.
I don't think Edmonton would give up Hall or The #1 pick for Rask, nor should they, but on the other hand Boston has no real reason to trade Rask unless they were to receive a significant overpayment. Personally I don't see where the teams match up at all, because Boston is not a rebuilding team and really isn't looking to bring in more 18/19 year old players
Why the hell would Edmonton be the ones adding? Hall's value is much higher than Rasks and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. If I recall, Boston fans wanted Hall badly during the 2010 draft, and were more than willing to give up Rask+ for him.
Yes there were a lot of Bruins fans that wanted Hall but there were a lot more that wanted Seguin after the Combine test when we saw how physical fit Seguin is. I don't know one Bruin that would trade Rask or Hamilton. Well I hate to Break it to you but but Boston will not be trading Rask and Hamilton. Rask is Boston Future #1 and Hamilton looks to be a Stud D-man, with Greg Zanon, Joe Corvowon't be resigning with Boston so Hamilton will fill in nicely. Talent wise I feel Seguin and Hall are equal..
Last edited by jerrywally23*: 04-14-2012 at 07:59 PM.
That is GM Strategy 101. Say that you have no intention of moving the pick, in order to drive up the offers and competition for it. I don't doubt they'd love to take Yakupov, but he's not what they need. If I'm the other GMs in the league, I don't offer them anything, and make them choose between taking Yakupov and still not having any blue chip D prospects (and continuing to stink), or drafting the Dman they need, then Yak and the other F prospects drop down without giving up any assets to move up.
You're misunderstanding the Oilers' situation quite a bit and not thinking the entire thing through.
Even if you think the Oilers don't have any good prospects on the blue line, you seriously think Ryan Murray (or whoever) would pull them out of the basement? You said they'd still stink with Yakupov, but not with a bluechip d-man prospect. Does that really make sense to you?
The Oilers clearly have a need for NHL-ready defense that is an upgrade on what they have. But selling the first overall pick for a quick fix obviously isn't the way to go. The Oilers understand that, or they would have traded it last year.
There is zero risk in taking Yakupov and seeing what the offseason holds in terms of free agency and trades. If they can get Yakupov and manage to add another d-man or two who can play twenty minutes, it will make a huge difference.
As an Oiler fan, it was always disappointing when none of Hall, Eberle, or Nugent-Hopkins were on the ice, because they were so fun to watch and created so many chances. Now they have a chance to add another forward, just as talented as them, and possibly have at least two of them on the ice for half the game. That's something that makes any Oiler fan excited.
There are always ways to get defensemen. Trading the first overall pick is the option that makes the least sense of all, when risk and reward are taken into consideration.
You're misunderstanding the Oilers' situation quite a bit and not thinking the entire thing through.
Even if you think the Oilers don't have any good prospects on the blue line, you seriously think Ryan Murray (or whoever) would pull them out of the basement? You said they'd still stink with Yakupov, but not with a bluechip d-man prospect. Does that really make sense to you?
The Oilers clearly have a need for NHL-ready defense that is an upgrade on what they have. But selling the first overall pick for a quick fix obviously isn't the way to go. The Oilers understand that, or they would have traded it last year.
There is zero risk in taking Yakupov and seeing what the offseason holds in terms of free agency and trades. If they can get Yakupov and manage to add another d-man or two who can play twenty minutes, it will make a huge difference.
As an Oiler fan, it was always disappointing when none of Hall, Eberle, or Nugent-Hopkins were on the ice, because they were so fun to watch and created so many chances. Now they have a chance to add another forward, just as talented as them, and possibly have at least two of them on the ice for half the game. That's something that makes any Oiler fan excited.
There are always ways to get defensemen. Trading the first overall pick is the option that makes the least sense of all, when risk and reward are taken into consideration.
I can understand that. But surly you can understand that Boston also is in need of a D-man since Boston won't be resigning Colvo. That is why Boston won't be trading Hamilton who looks like is going to be a real stud D-man
I can understand that. But surly you can understand that Boston also is in need of a D-man since Boston won't be resigning Colvo. That is why Boston won't be trading Hamilton who looks like is going to be a real stud D-man
It will never happen anyway. hf just creates stuff like this for fun. keep Hamilton, and we'll keep yakupov, the most likely thing the happen.
I can understand that. But surly you can understand that Boston also is in need of a D-man since Boston won't be resigning Colvo. That is why Boston won't be trading Hamilton who looks like is going to be a real stud D-man
I'm not talking about Hamilton, or Boston at all.
I'm saying why it doesn't make sense for Edmonton to trade the pick, to any team.
Why the hell would Edmonton be the ones adding? Hall's value is much higher than Rasks and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. If I recall, Boston fans wanted Hall badly during the 2010 draft, and were more than willing to give up Rask+ for him.
Actually there was a poll for who Bruins fans wanted more, I can't remember who actually won, but it was as close as you can get.
I wanted Hall by the way but I sure am happy with Seguin. I can see why so many people wanted Seguin to begin with, I am actually so happy with Seguin that I think it would have been a good deal for the Bruins if they traded Kessel for him alone.
I have only watched Hall a few times since he was in the league, I was lucky enough to see him play one really fantastic game though, I think fans of both teams can be pretty happy with the guys they got.
Things are a lot different now than they were 2 years ago, Rask is not easily replaceable and with next year being Thomas' last year on his current contract, rumors that the B's brass was not happy with his white house snub, the expiration of Thomas' no trade clause, there have been rumors that it is not out of the realm of possibilities that a trade of Thomas is explored after Jult 1st when his current contract expires. So even if people were eager to trade Rask+ for Hall at the draft, it doesn't make sense right now, not with things being a little uncertain.
The Bruins won't trade players they need for players they don't need unless it is a deal they just can't refuse, the Oilers would be the same way.
I think goaltending is not what the Oilers problems stem from, it is the D and the ability of the forwards to help out the D. I think a very steady stay at home defender and a very good defensive forward would go a long way towards making the Oilers more competitive and those guys aren't going to cost a Hall, Eberle, RNH, or the 1st overall pick.
We're not trading Seguin, Rask, or Hamilton. If we're moving a goalie, it's probably Thomas. We have no defensemen capable of carrying a large burden after Chara, and he has 5-6 years left in him, probably 2-3 Norris caliber years. Possibly more, with how strong and healthy he is. Seguin is the only forward on our team with elite talent/potential. He's 20 years old and is our 2nd most important forward after Bergy. Although Khubodin showed promise, and he could definitely be a starting goalie eventually, 1 game is far too small. He can be the backup, sure, but Rask will be out #1.
Actually there was a poll for who Bruins fans wanted more, I can't remember who actually won, but it was as close as you can get.
I wanted Hall by the way but I sure am happy with Seguin. I can see why so many people wanted Seguin to begin with, I am actually so happy with Seguin that I think it would have been a good deal for the Bruins if they traded Kessel for him alone.
I have only watched Hall a few times since he was in the league, I was lucky enough to see him play one really fantastic game though, I think fans of both teams can be pretty happy with the guys they got.
Things are a lot different now than they were 2 years ago, Rask is not easily replaceable and with next year being Thomas' last year on his current contract, rumors that the B's brass was not happy with his white house snub, the expiration of Thomas' no trade clause, there have been rumors that it is not out of the realm of possibilities that a trade of Thomas is explored after Jult 1st when his current contract expires. So even if people were eager to trade Rask+ for Hall at the draft, it doesn't make sense right now, not with things being a little uncertain.
The Bruins won't trade players they need for players they don't need unless it is a deal they just can't refuse, the Oilers would be the same way.
I think goaltending is not what the Oilers problems stem from, it is the D and the ability of the forwards to help out the D. I think a very steady stay at home defender and a very good defensive forward would go a long way towards making the Oilers more competitive and those guys aren't going to cost a Hall, Eberle, RNH, or the 1st overall pick.
Very good post. Well said.
The proposal does nothing for the Bruins based on their current position and makeup. Together with their core players, adding a Hamilton on defence and Rask for their net just makes sense and will ensure they stay competitive in the future.
Would the Oilers take a trade of Rask and Hamilton for the #1 overall. You can bet your boots they would as it would, potentially, fill a couple of holes.
As for the current Oilers, we're still in the rebuild phase so adding another potential superstar gives us another element to build on.
We have some very good looking defence prospects coming so that should solidify the back end. They're still a couple of years away however.
Dubnyk had a decent last half and is still growing into the role of a #1 tender. Hopefully he makes it but it looks good so far.
You make good points about the D/defensive forward and hopefully Tambo can address one or both situations this off-season. I think he assumed he'd corrected the defensive center position with Belanger but he had a very bad year. At least on offense he was but had good PK/FO numbers and it didn't work out that way. Hopefully that changes this year.
I think the only chance the Oilers trade the 1st overall is to a team that needs a potential young superstar to excite the fans and build around. I have no idea what that team would be but see no other chance that there will be an overpayment required to take the #1. If the Oilers were in a different position and just needed one piece to finish the rebuid it would be a different situation and I'm sure there would be a lot more suitors available. However, that's not the case and just picking up a bunch of what we already have won't help.
The proposal does nothing for the Bruins based on their current position and makeup. Together with their core players, adding a Hamilton on defence and Rask for their net just makes sense and will ensure they stay competitive in the future.
Would the Oilers take a trade of Rask and Hamilton for the #1 overall. You can bet your boots they would as it would, potentially, fill a couple of holes.
As for the current Oilers, we're still in the rebuild phase so adding another potential superstar gives us another element to build on.
We have some very good looking defence prospects coming so that should solidify the back end. They're still a couple of years away however.
Dubnyk had a decent last half and is still growing into the role of a #1 tender. Hopefully he makes it but it looks good so far.
You make good points about the D/defensive forward and hopefully Tambo can address one or both situations this off-season. I think he assumed he'd corrected the defensive center position with Belanger but he had a very bad year. At least on offense he was but had good PK/FO numbers and it didn't work out that way. Hopefully that changes this year.
I think the only chance the Oilers trade the 1st overall is to a team that needs a potential young superstar to excite the fans and build around. I have no idea what that team would be but see no other chance that there will be an overpayment required to take the #1. If the Oilers were in a different position and just needed one piece to finish the rebuid it would be a different situation and I'm sure there would be a lot more suitors available. However, that's not the case and just picking up a bunch of what we already have won't help.
I agree Edmonton sure would trade 1st for Rask and Seguin. Boston Won't, there is NO way in hell Boston would trade Rask and or Seguin!!!
If you saw the post I quoted, I was referring to how the poster was making seguin sound so much better than Hall. Which He isn't the case.
