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04-14-2012, 10:12 AM
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Is Miettinen hard to pronounce for english speakers? Surprises me.

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Is Miettinen hard to pronounce for english speakers? Surprises me.
Nah it's just fun to call him mittens as a nickname

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04-14-2012, 10:31 AM
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I just don't don't see the point with Antti, hes one of the oldest players, he was below average. I guess it wouldn't kill the Jets to bring him back but why not see if Cormier or Mach9 can take those minutes, at least those guys have upside.

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Is Miettinen hard to pronounce for english speakers? Surprises me.
Out here in BC, they never play the jets games, so I've honestly never heard it pronounced.

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04-14-2012, 12:34 PM
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Glass is more important than you think, hes more important than Thor thats for sure. Mittens should be bought out it saves the team money and he was a very bad hockey player, they need to upgrade.
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Meh mittens wasn't too bad near the end of the year. More useful and productive then fehr. I think we will ride him out for next year.
We are on the hook for Mittens = we will keep him. TN is not going to throw money out the door. If we get the Miettenen that played post waivers I'd be happy. I thought he was pretty effective as a shut down type guy who can score the odd goal. I also think that Fehr will be offered a 1 year contract below qualifying and we will see him back next year.

Who knows, a lot can change in the off season but both those players looked as if they were heading in the right direction and I think the expectations on Fehr were pretty low last year.

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Glass is more important than you think, hes more important than Thor thats for sure. Mittens should be bought out it saves the team money and he was a very bad hockey player, they need to upgrade.
It's not going to save the team money as the player who replaces him on the roster will earn more than 1/3 of Mitten's salary (and likely be a worse player next year).

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Would anybody trade Bogo to Edmonton to move from #9 to #1 in the draft?

I'm not sure I would, but it looks tempting. I think our back end would be hurting in 2013 without Bogo, Enstrom and Hainsey. Edmonton adding Bogo and Reinhart to their core would likely be more useful than adding another skill forward.

Thoughts?

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Out here in BC, they never play the jets games, so I've honestly never heard it pronounced.
me ET in en

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Would anybody trade Bogo to Edmonton to move from #9 to #1 in the draft?

I'm not sure I would, but it looks tempting. I think our back end would be hurting in 2013 without Bogo, Enstrom and Hainsey. Edmonton adding Bogo and Reinhart to their core would likely be more useful than adding another skill forward.

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I wouldn't. I assume you mean we trade our pick and Zach for their pick?

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I wouldn't. I assume you mean we trade our pick and Zach for their pick?
yes. I wouldn't either, but I think it's close in value.

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Would anybody trade Bogo to Edmonton to move from #9 to #1 in the draft?

I'm not sure I would, but it looks tempting. I think our back end would be hurting in 2013 without Bogo, Enstrom and Hainsey. Edmonton adding Bogo and Reinhart to their core would likely be more useful than adding another skill forward.

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Not a chance. And IMO it's terrible value. The cost to move from 9 to 1 should not be Bogosian.

Bogosian and (Faksa, Reinhart, Trouba, Reilly, etc) >>> Yakupov.

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Would anybody trade Bogo to Edmonton to move from #9 to #1 in the draft?

I'm not sure I would, but it looks tempting. I think our back end would be hurting in 2013 without Bogo, Enstrom and Hainsey. Edmonton adding Bogo and Reinhart to their core would likely be more useful than adding another skill forward.

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I mean this in the most respectful way possible:
That is a terrible terrible proposal.

I think EDM would likely take that deal pretty quickly though.

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Would anybody trade Bogo to Edmonton to move from #9 to #1 in the draft?

I'm not sure I would, but it looks tempting. I think our back end would be hurting in 2013 without Bogo, Enstrom and Hainsey. Edmonton adding Bogo and Reinhart to their core would likely be more useful than adding another skill forward.

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Maybe last year, when Bogo wasn't coming off the season he just had and the #1 pick was the playmaking center that would put your forwards over the top. I like Yakubov a lot, but not enough to give up a young dman like Bogo coming off the season he is and a top ten pick.

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I mean this in the most respectful way possible:
That is a terrible terrible proposal.

I think EDM would likely take that deal pretty quickly though.
Of course edmonton would

I think he was asking if anyone from Winnipeg would want too

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Would anybody trade Bogo to Edmonton to move from #9 to #1 in the draft?

I'm not sure I would, but it looks tempting. I think our back end would be hurting in 2013 without Bogo, Enstrom and Hainsey. Edmonton adding Bogo and Reinhart to their core would likely be more useful than adding another skill forward.

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No. I'd send 'em Jones and a 2nd though.


What? They wouldn't balk, would they?

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No. I'd send 'em Jones and a 2nd though.


What? They wouldn't balk, would they?
How bout Jones, Fehr, Thorburn, Flood and Third Round

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Would anybody trade Bogo to Edmonton to move from #9 to #1 in the draft?

I'm not sure I would, but it looks tempting. I think our back end would be hurting in 2013 without Bogo, Enstrom and Hainsey. Edmonton adding Bogo and Reinhart to their core would likely be more useful than adding another skill forward.

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That's not even close. Bogo's looking like a franchise defenseman. I'm content with the Jets drafting a defenseman at 9th to replace Hainsey or Enstrom (at least one of them is likely to leave), so I'm not pulling for the Jets to trade up in the draft. If they did trade up, I'd hope they'd go for Grigorenko and that the price, on top of their 9th overall pick, would be a lot less than Bogosian. Otherwise it's simply not worth it.

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GST line: Slater is the only one I would be against trying to replace... I like Glass but there are better players out there that can do the same job as Glass and Thor and produce a little more offensively and shutdown better... I know that line fights tough minutes and has hard QoC but you can compare them to players in similar situations who have out produced them...
Buying out Mittens: no harm in trying him.. isn't a huge investment to scratch or waiver him if problems continue...
Hainsey/Antro: they aren't bad... just some debate regarding reward vs contract... but no contract lasts forever...
Resigning Fehr: they probably will give him a shot since there is the chance that he can still recover from the injury... I hope they try to undersign him below qualifying


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How bout Jones, Fehr, Thorburn, Flood and Third Round
And deplete our team of depth?

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After the last couple of weeks I fell a little in love with Brian Byole... Boy I would love to have him on the lineup o.O

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That's not even close. Bogo's looking like a franchise defenseman. I'm content with the Jets drafting a defenseman at 9th to replace Hainsey or Enstrom (at least one of them is likely to leave), so I'm not pulling for the Jets to trade up in the draft. If they did trade up, I'd hope they'd go for Grigorenko and that the price, on top of their 9th overall pick, would be a lot less than Bogosian. Otherwise it's simply not worth it.
I think it's closer than that. We see Bogo as looking like a franchise defenceman, but does Edmonton? I'm not so sure. He was good defensively and showed better skill as a playmaker but I think he has a ways to go before the Franchise label should come out. Nail has a lot more hype than Bogo does around the league. If we're going to throw the "franchise" label at Bogo, then let's throw the "generational talent" label at Yakubov.

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I think it's closer than that. We see Bogo as looking like a franchise defenceman, but does Edmonton? I'm not so sure. He was good defensively and showed better skill as a playmaker but I think he has a ways to go before the Franchise label should come out. Nail has a lot more hype than Bogo does around the league. If we're going to throw the "franchise" label at Bogo, then let's throw the "generational talent" label at Yakubov.
# 1 picks always get a lot of hype. In no way does that make you a generational talent. Bogo is a lot closer to being a franchise defenseman that Yakubov is to being a generational talent. If the Oilers got Bogo and another top end defensive talent in the draft (that developed to his full potential), they would be scary good one day.

Just because Bogo doesn't have as much hype on the boards, doesn't mean GM's don't covet him. He has every part of the skill set necesary to be a true # 1 D.

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# 1 picks always get a lot of hype. In no way does that make you a generational talent. Bogo is a lot closer to being a franchise defenseman that Yakubov is to being a generational talent. If the Oilers got Bogo and another top end defensive talent in the draft (that developed to his full potential), they would be scary good one day.

Just because Bogo doesn't have as much hype on the boards, doesn't mean GM's don't covet him. He has every part of the skill set necesary to be a true # 1 D.
Well I don't want to be drawn into arguing that we should trade away my favourite player, so I'll just leave it here. It's an interesting value discussion, but trading away Bogo would leave us with only one top four defenseman under long term team control (and no ability to add in the draft).

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Well I don't want to be drawn into arguing that we should trade away my favourite player, so I'll just leave it here. It's an interesting value discussion, but trading away Bogo would leave us with only one top four defenseman under long term team control (and no ability to add in the draft).
Overall though I like the idea of trading up in the draft...I just don't think we have or are willing to give up what would be needed to get the job done.

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