Lets see if we can keep this one clean and respectful. Everyones entitled to their opinions. DO NOT attack each other.
I wish we could agree whatever brings the most money and is easiest to get to by ISLANDER fans would be the answer......which rules Brooklyn out. Where is the potential money? Nassau and Suffolk and Eastern Queens, correct? Start from there. Draw a circle where the population of fans is and I bet the epicenter is somewhere near Farmingdale.
So, why go way outta the way and hit Brooklyn? Because they have a new arena? Because Ratner will make the money there and not Wang?
I wish Wang had the money to just FULLY renovate in Nassau or build elsewhere, but he doesn't. So.....we either have him sell, partner up in Queens, become a tenant in a borough be it Brooklyn or Queens (if it ever happens) or swing a deal in Nassau and make all the revenue there.
I wish we could agree whatever brings the most money and is easiest to get to by ISLANDER fans would be the answer......which rules Brooklyn out. Where is the potential money? Nassau and Suffolk and Eastern Queens, correct? Start from there. Draw a circle where the population of fans is and I bet the epicenter is somewhere near Farmingdale.
So, why go way outta the way and hit Brooklyn? Because they have a new arena? Because Ratner will make the money there and not Wang?
I wish Wang had the money to just FULLY renovate in Nassau or build elsewhere, but he doesn't. So.....we either have him sell, partner up in Queens, become a tenant in a borough be it Brooklyn or Queens (if it ever happens) or swing a deal in Nassau and make all the revenue there.
At least we are staying in NY.
While all this is true, does the NYC area need another new(ish) arena?
Barclays is new.
The Rock is kinda new.
MSG is getting a massive overhaul.
Does the NYC area really need another new indoor arena/venue?
2. This along with Wang's ownership results in the team continuing to suck through 2015
3. Wang's lease runs out and Nassau turns the Hub over to others
4. Wang sells the team
The Islanders can survive
It does not really matter where they end up, as long as Wang owns this team it will continue to be the joke of the league.
Brooklyn is attractive for no other reason than, it probably comes with a change in ownership.
BTW they have no shot at a playoff spot next year.
I'll add to this statement, if it keeps this team local. I know if Wang still ownes the team after a move that they'll continue to be a circus, but at least they'll still be OUR circus.
2. This along with Wang's ownership results in the team continuing to suck through 2015
3. Wang's lease runs out and Nassau turns the Hub over to others
4. Wang sells the team
The Islanders can survive
It does not really matter where they end up, as long as Wang owns this team it will continue to be the joke of the league.
Brooklyn is attractive for no other reason than, it probably comes with a change in ownership.
BTW they have no shot at a playoff spot next year.
I agree with this, which is something not a lot of people (the Bklyn opponents, anyway) seem to do. My assumption with Brooklyn has been that Wang would not own the team there. I'd envision a situation where it becomes apparent Nassau won't work anymore and Queens is either not an option or is too remote in time to work. Then the NHL steps in and brokers a deal and forces Wang's hand.
I'll add to this statement, if it keeps this team local. I know if Wang still ownes the team after a move that they'll continue to be a circus, but at least they'll still be OUR circus.
See and I'd rather Wang sell the team to Quebec, Seattle, or anywhere else then stay in New York and have to endure another 30 years like the last 10.
If a move to brooklyn means new ownership then new ownership will retain some of the current fanbase and get new fans into that building as long as they get the right people in the front office who know what needs to be done in order to build a good team. if prokhorov or ratner or both buy the team, these two individuals will not allow this team to suck. unlike wang who could care less about building a winning team.
I'll add to this statement, if it keeps this team local. I know if Wang still ownes the team after a move that they'll continue to be a circus, but at least they'll still be OUR circus.
Could not disagree more (respectfully) I cannot see why anyone would have any interest in this team as currently managed. Being local and convenient is not enough for me.
No matter where they end up, Wang won't own the team forever.
Wang may not own the team forever but he could conceivably own it for another 30 years or so. Do you really want to endure that? I know it's taking all my willpower to just get through til 2015.
I'm as pro-Brooklyn as anybody but if you gave me the choice of a Wang owned team in Brooklyn or a new ownership on LI, I'm taking the latter every single time. Hell put em in Montauk for all I care as long as Wang is gone. However, it's much more likely that Wang is gone in Brooklyn and that's a big part of why I want them to move there.
I see Brooklyn as only a last option when everything else is exhausted. Currently the horseshoe scenario with less seating/limited view plus what IMO based on the numbers will be a less than desirable commute for many going to the game from the current ticket buying base makes it less than ideal. If however, as some say, they can add additional seating and there are no other options in Nassau/Suffolk/Queens come 2015, then it would make sense assuming they can draw local. I just want this team to stay relatively local with a world class arena that we can all be proud of. I am sick of us being a laughing stock.
I won't speculate on whether or not Wang will own it depending on where they are. I have no delusions on the way the team has been run but I disagree that this team will not continue to improve and be able to squeak into the playoffs in the next couple of years.
While all this is true, does the NYC area need another new(ish) arena?
Barclays is new.
The Rock is kinda new.
MSG is getting a massive overhaul.
Does the NYC area really need another new indoor arena/venue?
There is zero chance of New York City building a new hockey arena with public money in the near future. Yankee Stadium/CitiField were a fiscal disaster for the city. The Barclays Center was a huge headache (that still hasn't ended, by the way -- yesterday a state Appellate Court rebuked the agency that backed the project for essentially lying to taxpayers.) And the City is about to elect a new mayor, who will have to swallow big budget cuts in his (or her) first year. If they respond to cuts to education and transportation by throwing 9 figures at an arena for a team that nobody cares about, then they can kiss the rest of their agenda goodbye.
Pray for Willets Point all you want, but unless some benevolent billionaire decides to buy the team and privately finance the arena it's not going to happen.
Brooklyn is only seen as a good alternative b/c there is NOTHING going on trying to keep them in Nassau (or so it seems)
I can't for the life of me see why any part of the Isles mgmt would see this as good --- UNLESS you compare it to moving them out of NYC area altogether.
Most Isles season ticket holders, and THEIR FANBASE is in Nassau and Sufflk. Unlesss this team gets VERY GOOD and VERY GOOD quickly, there is not a shot in hell Im going to Brooklyn to watch this team. I could assume that 70% of the STH would agree with that. We are used to driving 20-30 min to see them.. make that an hr plus + traffic + $20 parking fees, and you watch this team? LOL.. No way.
Although.. when you think that every move the Isles mgmt makes, is the entire opposite of what they should do (enter George Costanza), this probably makes Brooklyn a lock.
See and I'd rather Wang sell the team to Quebec, Seattle, or anywhere else then stay in New York and have to endure another 30 years like the last 10.
Charles Wang probably won't live another 30 years, but I see your point.
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Originally Posted by lorwood
Could not disagree more (respectfully) I cannot see why anyone would have any interest in this team as currently managed. Being local and convenient is not enough for me.
Fair enough. But think about this, are you going to stop rooting for the team if they stay local and are continue to be run the way they are? You can say it's not enough for you for them to stay local with Wang at the helm as opposed to a move out of market with a new ownership, but the fact of the matter is you have no say in that decision.
Most Isles season ticket holders, and THEIR FANBASE is in Nassau and Sufflk.
So you are saying that those 3000 season ticket holders will never get replaced with the team playing in one of the most populated cities in the united states. especially if they are under new ownership and that ownership actually puts a winning product on the ice.
I'd rather them never make the playoffs again and spend the rest of my life in the NYC market, then have them turn into a powerhouse in another market. I can't understand how anyone would rather them move out of the market for any reason at all.
Everyone mentions Wang selling. Why would he sell the team at a supposed loss rather than move them himself? Seems like he's pot committed at this point.
I'd rather them never make the playoffs again and spend the rest of my life in the NYC market, then have them turn into a powerhouse in another market. I can't understand how anyone would rather them move out of the market for any reason at all.
^This this one million times this.
They may be miserable failures should Wang still own them & they be in NY, but they'd still be MY miserable failures.
If they ever moved, there's definitely a piece of me that would die inside.
I think any speculation really needs to be put on hold. At least until after the game against the Devils. I love the Islanders, even if they suck. In my honest preference, I would rather they keep the Islanders where they are, but renovate NVMC. I know there is an extremely slim chance of that happening. But I also know that there is probably a slimmer chance of Wang selling the team. And even if he did, who's to say the next owner wouldn't be worse? It's very frustrating.
The hard part to realize is that nothing is going to change, or probably even be announced until after the Devils / Islanders game.
Islander fans sure are picky about how seats are arranged. But asbestos and no public transport access? A-okay.
Yes some do and I know (and others do to) that certain towns near NVMC DON'T want to see a new colli because of new voters, more people and build up of the area because it might bring them more traffic( me a river)
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Originally Posted by potvins4cups
Watching an islanders game can literally kill you.
You know usually when this team would be holding onto a 1 goal lead my heart would be beating so fast in my chest, I thought it would explode. Now I expect the team to lose the lead, so it doesn't affect me anymore.
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Originally Posted by CREW99AW
I've been a fan for over 30 yrs.I'd rather see them play another 30 yrs in the asbestos palace,then move out of state.
Asbestos Palace, thats great. Damn it used to be Bust Palace in the 70's, Fort Neverlose in the 80's, now its Fort Busted.
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Originally Posted by Isle Junkie
I'd rather them never make the playoffs again and spend the rest of my life in the NYC market, then have them turn into a powerhouse in another market. I can't understand how anyone would rather them move out of the market for any reason at all.
Because then they can say I told you so, but inside they will be crying too.
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Originally Posted by nyscene
^This this one million times this.
They may be miserable failures should Wang still own them & they be in NY, but they'd still be MY miserable failures.
If they ever moved, there's definitely a piece of me that would die inside.
MY NY failure. Sept/October of this year will be 27 years with this team. A piece of me would die too. I used to watch this team on the TV scrambled because my parents wouldnt shell out the dough to get SportsChannel.
Hey at least Wang is not the owner of the Devils, who seems like he is close to the actual devil
But at least Newarks mayor (Corey Booker) has balls to call the Debbies owner out.
That Devils owner almost sounds worse than Wang(?)
Oh and on a side note that same mayor of Newark Thursday night went into a burning building and saved a women. He yanked her out of bed, put her on his shoulder. Got slight burns, his body guard helped take the woman down a fight of stairs to safety outside and he then collapsed (from smoke I guess)
He seems almost as bad-assed as poster here Andrea's husband. Almost
me a river)
