Every promise Burke has made.I have had to waste my time listening to his drivel and damage control of said drivel.I feel sorry for the fans who pay hard earned cash to watch that team.Boring,no personality,heartless,weak and unentertaining.I have watched bad leaf teams but enjoyed the hockey nontheless.Palmateer,Bester,Clark,Sittler,Williams ,Domi,Salming,Sundin etc. gave it their all and for far less $$$.It is high time Leaf fans made a noise.Do you think Montreal fans would have put up with this?
Burke built a weak team with no size or character.He changed pieces over and over with no affect.He handed out money like tissue paper,to no affect.He coddled and made excuses,to no affect.But Leaf fans are still subjected to his drivel.They still must pay to watch a bunch of spoiled millionaires who dont want to work for 60 min. every 2 days with 5 months holidays.If people want to accept a loser,fine,that is exactly what you will get,that an a apology.
The Leafs have become the laughing stock of the NHL and everyone and his dog is taking their free shots at humbling them as a result of all the failure fans are asked to endure.
MLSE has never done as much damage control as they've been required to lately with Chairman of the board writing apology letters as discussed here in the video, and the COO talking publicly trying to appease season ticket holders.
The louder the media cry and the more negative unwanted publicity that is thrust upon MLSE the greater odds of change occurring, in an attempt to appease and thereby silence it.
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Signature: There is no greater demonstration of Fan patience then to suggest to "Play the Kids " and be willing to accept the consequences of those actions..
Things are just getting good media wise. Fire Burke chants at the ACC next season will really get things rocking. MLSE has to be appalled at what the team has become.
The Leafs have become the laughing stock of the NHL and everyone and his dog is taking their free shots at humbling them as a result of all the failure fans are asked to endure.
MLSE has never done as much damage control as they've been required to lately with Chairman of the board writing apology letters as discussed here in the video, and the COO talking publicly trying to appease season ticket holders.
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But why are they required to? Do you think every losing franchise takes out a letter in the newspapers apologizing?
They weren't required to do it at all, which is why everyone is laughing at them just as they are the product on the ice.
The CBC does not speak for ALL Canadians it speaks for a segment of the population... therefore why are we all having to pay for it? We should be able to opt out! Shows like George Strombo Tonight or whatever it's called does not represent me as a Canadian, in fact anytime I've seen that show it's been with an extreme bias in their way of reporting or presenting their claims, the host is a biased tool, the whole damn network is biased. Defund the CBC and let them sink or swim like Global, CTV, etc.
Holy **** what a stupid argument!
Is this really the viewpoint of the majority of the anti CBC bandwagon?
In the history of all CBC programming beginning in 1952 how many shows have represented all Canadians? Does hockey night in Canada represent all Canadians? Guess it should never have existed in the first place.
Seems like CBC is pretty balanced anyways, there is Kevin O'leary and Don Cherry to speak for the more conservative element.
Newsflash! the CBC is more Canadian then you freakshow right wing reformers.
The Leafs have become the laughing stock of the NHL and everyone and his dog is taking their free shots at humbling them as a result of all the failure fans are asked to endure.
MLSE has never done as much damage control as they've been required to lately with Chairman of the board writing apology letters as discussed here in the video, and the COO talking publicly trying to appease season ticket holders.
The louder the media cry and the more negative unwanted publicity that is thrust upon MLSE the greater odds of change occurring, in an attempt to appease and thereby silence it.
The team has changed significantly during Burkes tenure as President and GM. Each year 5 or more players have been added and subtracted from the team. Every season significant coaching and management changes have been made. I'm really not sure what type of change there is left to do, unless you are insinuating you would like to rebuild the entire organization for another 5 seasons with zero certainty that this team will have the right mix of players and picks at the end of it all. The only way that entitlement will leave the players and members of this organization is if the fans stop giving a S**t. We pay the prices, we listen to the media and ultimately we FUEL the fire. The media doesnt have a job or a story to post if their viewers really dont care about what they have to say. I mean what kind of MORON pays 100-500 dollars a ticket to BOO the team they supposedly support. Ultimately the right peices are in place, the right members are managing, a good core of young players is being built, but the obsession with this team has gotten out of control and will ultimately create an additional barrier that only the Toronto Maple Leafs will need to break through in order to be successful.
I mean people act like we were last all season long, NEWS FLASH we plummitted because of a month and a half of horrible hockey. As soon as Gustaavson wiffed on the puck in overtime against the New Jersey Devils, the real monster of the media awoke. If in that OT the leafs had managed to win the game, we really wouldnt be where we are right now However the media grabbed hold of Toronto, grabbed a hold of the fans, and ultimately created a toxic "working environment" for our team.
I mean i am truely amazed that we managed to suck bad enough to get a 5th overal pick. Really if you think about it, do any of us think the team would have done anything impactful in the playoffs?
Getting that pick is Highway robbery, the teams in and around us belong there. With the right piece/peices this team is in contention.
Burke has rebuilt this team and is still rebuilding. We have a phenomenal management group. Eliminating Burke eliminates the entire staff. Burke holds a ton of weight in the hockey world and is respected by most. Really the only change needed is to limit the media's access to the players and entire organization. Even if this wasnt the problem why not try to find out. I do understand that the team is now owned by two of the largest media companies in the world. Which really makes me sad.
This is my oppinion. take it or leave it.
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... more Canadian? Who said they weren't Canadian? Go re-read and try not to twist the point made. Also, are you a taxpayer? If not then your opinion is invalid. When John Q. Taxpayer has to pay for the crap CBC produces there is definitely a problem especially when the views expressed are not of John Q. Public
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Proud to say that I've never paid any tax EVER in my life. I live in an igloo on crown land and I get my cousins in the city to post for me after I send them smoke signals. Also, I'm not reading your original ****ing post again, once was certainly enough.
The louder the media cry and the more negative unwanted publicity that is thrust upon MLSE the greater odds of change occurring, in an attempt to appease and thereby silence it.
This is really an important point. People need to be very, and I mean very, careful for what they ask for.
Yes, it has snowballed to the point where everyone and their cousin is taking their potshots at the Maple Leafs right now. I see a very real parallel between how the media is treating the Leafs and how the media piles on Research in Motion. It's easy and low-hanging fruit. It's also an over-simplification of a complex problem.
It is just harping for the sake of harping at this point. None of these articles, segments, or editorials add anything new to the conversation. Most of them are completely off-base as how they approach the topic. But it doesn't matter. It's a story, takes little-to-no effort to make, and attracts readers and viewers.
I get that fans are angry, but the louder this gets, the more pressure MLSE is going to feel to cave and make a change. And I'm not defending or attacking Brian Burke, but if people think that changing the GM at this point is going to turn us into competitors, they are deluding themselves.
At best, the new GM comes in, trades the future to squeak us into the playoffs, appeases the fans for a year, and relegates us to being a bottom feeder just for a passing glance at short-lived success. But we'll have made the playoffs, the media will back off, fans will quiet down, and we'll have thrown away the chance of being a perennial contender to appease who? The knee-jerk reactionary segment of Leafs Nation?
Not worth it. I'd rather for the first time in the history of this team, be ****ing patient. This is not the point at which we change directions. If you think it is bad now, it'll be worse if we bring in new management. They'll most likely tank for draft picks for the next few years. The talent that we do have right now will eventually tire of withering on a bottom feeding team, and exit town at the first chance, all while the fanbase grows more rabid at the lack of success the team is achieving, ensuring that no top-end UFA talent will ever think of signing in this sideshow of a franchise.
I'm fine with waiting. The decades of failure that surrounds this franchise should not wear around the necks of the current roster. They are accountable for their time here and that time only. And this year, they failed, in spectacular fashion nonetheless. I look forward to next year to see how, and if, they rebound from it. That will be the true measure of future of this franchise.
I can think of multiple government programs that I'd consider a waste aside from a communications board that provides free information, entertainment and culture to Canadians. Especially when the gap between the richest few and the rest is growing faster than anytime in Canadian history.
But yes, drink your kool-aid and watch the country erode.
Ya cause blatant pot shots at your fellow posters is going to sway the opinion. CBC is a POS station. It has no good shows, horrible production values and the most annoying news broadcast on cable.
But yes, drink your haterade and watch your eyes erode.
SilentKnight, would you mind taking your political debate somewhere else, some of us are trying to have an intelligent discussion about hockey, on what last time I checked, was a hockey forum.
That's right chuckles...cause you'd have to admit you skewed what it actually said, which is what all people like yourself do. Let's deflect the actual issue and make it out to be something completely different because you lack the ability to be reasonable and honest. Nah... instead let's change the subject and talk about Don Cherry and Kevin O'Leary. Run along loser666.
I didn't skew anything, you said that the CBC is invalid because it doesn't represent you as a Canadian. I countered that by saying that pretty much all CBC programming since 1952, including Hockey Night in Canada, has not represented every Canadian. Read into that what you will.
You also babbled on about "bias" where I guess you meant liberal or leftist bias. I used Kevin o'leary and Don Cherry as examples of conservative viewpoint that is featured prominently on the CBC.
I don't know where I skewed what you said. You made a politically charged statement on a public messageboard, you obviously are opening yourself to critique.
You sir are a complete waste of time.
you may have the last word.
The team has changed significantly during Burkes tenure as President and GM. Each year 5 or more players have been added and subtracted from the team. Every season significant coaching and management changes have been made. I'm really not sure what type of change there is left to do, unless you are insinuating you would like to rebuild the entire organization for another 5 seasons with zero certainty that this team will have the right mix of players and picks at the end of it all. The only way that entitlement will leave the players and members of this organization is if the fans stop giving a S**t. We pay the prices, we listen to the media and ultimately we FUEL the fire. The media doesnt have a job or a story to post if their viewers really dont care about what they have to say. I mean what kind of MORON pays 100-500 dollars a ticket to BOO the team they supposedly support. Ultimately the right peices are in place, the right members are managing, a good core of young players is being built, but the obsession with this team has gotten out of control and will ultimately create an additional barrier that only the Toronto Maple Leafs will need to break through in order to be successful.
I mean people act like we were last all season long, NEWS FLASH we plummitted because of a month and a half of horrible hockey. As soon as Gustaavson wiffed on the puck in overtime against the New Jersey Devils, the real monster of the media awoke. If in that OT the leafs had managed to win the game, we really wouldnt be where we are right now However the media grabbed hold of Toronto, grabbed a hold of the fans, and ultimately created a toxic "working environment" for our team.
I mean i am truely amazed that we managed to suck bad enough to get a 5th overal pick. Really if you think about it, do any of us think the team would have done anything impactful in the playoffs?
Getting that pick is Highway robbery, the teams in and around us belong there. With the right piece/peices this team is in contention.
Burke has rebuilt this team and is still rebuilding. We have a phenomenal management group. Eliminating Burke eliminates the entire staff. Burke holds a ton of weight in the hockey world and is respected by most. Really the only change needed is to limit the media's access to the players and entire organization. Even if this wasnt the problem why not try to find out. I do understand that the team is now owned by two of the largest media companies in the world. Which really makes me sad.
Holy **** what a stupid argument!
Is this really the viewpoint of the majority of the anti CBC bandwagon?
In the history of all CBC programming beginning in 1952 how many shows have represented all Canadians? Does hockey night in Canada represent all Canadians? Guess it should never have existed in the first place.
Seems like CBC is pretty balanced anyways, there is Kevin O'leary and Don Cherry to speak for the more conservative element.
Newsflash! the CBC is more Canadian then you freakshow right wing reformers.
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It's not a conspiracy, and they are biased. 5.
Prove it.
Apart of me wants the CBC gone though. I can't wait for a sunday night game to be interrupted on CTV. Plus it will reveal what we all know and deny: aside from hockey, Canada is America Jr.
This is a cultureless country, I have never heard any British say lets get rid of the BBC.
But why are they required to? Do you think every losing franchise takes out a letter in the newspapers apologizing?
They weren't required to do it at all, which is why everyone is laughing at them just as they are the product on the ice.
Its much bigger than that now that the CBC has gotten involved in the fray.
CBC two pillars are "The National" and "Hockey Night in Canada" and both Canadian traditions, and it looks like Rex Murphy on behalf of CBC is firing a salvo back in the direction of MLSE.. Burke was foolish to go over Cherry and MacLean's heads to try and silence them as it appears this is the consequences of those actions as CBC is now telling MLSE to silence their lap dog (permanently), and they will be getting their attention by directing this video at the "branding" of the organization by mocking its failure. Nothing hits home harder than money then tarnishing the Leafs brand, which is already being dragged down by the teams failures.
You're right MLSE Larry Tanenbaum and Tom Anselmi MLSE Execs didn't need to go public and apologize on behalf of the GM's failures, but they were attempting to appease an ever increasing angry Mob of Leaf Nation dissatisfaction. Talk is cheap, as Rex Murphy points out, but actions speak louder than words and Leaf Nation wants someone to pay for this mess and we all know who is at fault here.
Burke has created a very hostile, toxic, venomous situation through his failures as GM and it appears by this video CBC has decided to pick up their torch and pitch fork and join the Mob of Leaf Nation and Media to send the message.
It's pathetic because of how short sighted it is..
The leafs had two great teams in the last 20 years..
the gilmour, andruychuck , Clark team
and the Sundin, Roberts, Mogilney team
We made the playoffs 7 years in a row with that sundin team.. the gilmour team while short lived made back to back conference finals..
the sundin team made the conference finals against Buffalo and Carolina.. and lost out muiltiple times to eventual cup winners in the New jersey devils.. bringing them to 7 games.
Yes we've sucked since the lockout. mainly because of having massive contracts and length on contracts from a non salary cap era.. trying to adjust was painful and slow.
So yea we've sucked lately but this report is talking about 45 years of futility as if we've never had a winning team.
Either way i expect no less from leaf haters~ gotta love uneducated hockey fans~
It's pathetic because of how short sighted it is..
The leafs had two great teams in the last 20 years..
the gilmour, andruychuck , Clark team
and the Sundin, Roberts, Mogilney team
We made the playoffs 7 years in a row with that sundin team.. the gilmour team while short lived made back to back conference finals..
the sundin team made the conference finals against Buffalo and Carolina.. and lost out muiltiple times to eventual cup winners in the New jersey devils.. bringing them to 7 games.
Yes we've sucked since the lockout. mainly because of having massive contracts and length on contracts from a non salary cap era.. trying to adjust was painful and slow.
So yea we've sucked lately but this report is talking about 45 years of futility as if we've never had a winning team.
Either way i expect no less from leaf haters~ gotta love uneducated hockey fans~
The Leafs have not played for the cup in 45 years. What he says is accurate.
Run along loser666.
