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04-13-2012, 03:30 PM
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NYI and TOR



Nazem Kadri
Joe Colborne
Luke Schenn



1st (4th) 2012
Nino Neiderreiter


Islanders get 2 forwards with skill who would jump into the top 9. Kadri and Tavares have chemistry from London days and WJC. Okposo who slide down to play with the 2nd line. Colborne slots in Reasoner spot on the 3rd line. Schenn becomes at least #3 on the depth chart for the Isles

Leafs get back to back picks to either get Murray and one of the forwards or gets 2 forwards of the top 5. Neiderretier steps in on Grabo's line.

Way off base for either team?

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No. been proposed several time this past week. No

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So let's see let's go under the assumption Schenn and Neiderreiter have roughly equal value. The Islanders give up a 4th pick for a couple of good but not so great prospects. pass

In the case of Kadri we already have Strome and Bailey who basically can fill a somewhat similar role as him so he becomes redundant on our team

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Did you mean:
Gardiner + Kadri + 5th Overall
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Nino + 4th?

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Way off base for either team?
Offbase for NYI.
Would TOR trade their 1st for Nino+Brock Nelson ?

Isles are not trading the pick for Colborne+Kadri or Colborne+Schenn
(assuming value wise Nino = Kadri = Schenn)

IMO you had the right idea but then got greedy and added Nino to the mix.

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Nazem Kadri
Joe Colborne
Luke Schenn



1st (4th) 2012
Nino Neiderreiter


Islanders get 2 forwards with skill who would jump into the top 9. Kadri and Tavares have chemistry from London days and WJC. Okposo who slide down to play with the 2nd line. Colborne slots in Reasoner spot on the 3rd line. Schenn becomes at least #3 on the depth chart for the Isles

Leafs get back to back picks to either get Murray and one of the forwards or gets 2 forwards of the top 5. Neiderretier steps in on Grabo's line.

Way off base for either team?
In short "NO", would not get you the 4th let alone EL Noscoro

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I dont think Burke or Snow does this....

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Hell no from Toronto.

2 potential #2 centres + one of our future #1 D-men

for

a guy who scores 1 goal in what... 77 games and a pick?

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04-13-2012, 04:19 PM
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Did you mean:
Gardiner + Kadri + 5th Overall
for
Nino + 4th?
Did you mean

Moulson + Nino + 2012 1st

for

Schenn + Kadri

Kadri=Nino
4th is almost the same as the 5th
So u get Gardiner for free? No ******way. No way is Gardiner going to the Isles for anything except in a package for Tava...

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Hell no from Toronto.

2 potential #2 centres + one of our future #1 D-men

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a guy who scores 1 goal in what... 77 games and a pick?
Tone that down . Schenn doesn't put up the points to be a #1, but nobody is giving up on him because he screwed up in Wilson's run and gun system.

But yeah this is gross overpayment lol. Why trade Kadri? He's shown that he's getting better by the day, throughout his junior years he's elevated his play in the playoffs and the Marlies are poised for a deep playoff run that will only help him.

Nino on the other hand has been mishandled and has sucked with the Isles and never dominated the WHL like Kadri dominated the OHL and picks are never guarantees.

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No. been proposed several time this past week. No
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Did you mean

Moulson + Nino + 2012 1st

for

Schenn + Kadri

Kadri=Nino
4th is almost the same as the 5th
So u get Gardiner for free? No ******way. No way is Gardiner going to the Isles for anything except in a package for Tava...
Lol the entire leafs roster could not haul in Tava...

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I can understand how a person proposes a deal that one team would do, but I cant understand why someone would propose a trade that no one wants to do

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Tone that down . Schenn doesn't put up the points to be a #1, but nobody is giving up on him because he screwed up in Wilson's run and gun system.

But yeah this is gross overpayment lol. Why trade Kadri? He's shown that he's getting better by the day, throughout his junior years he's elevated his play in the playoffs and the Marlies are poised for a deep playoff run that will only help him.

Nino on the other hand has been mishandled and has sucked with the Isles and never dominated the WHL like Kadri dominated the OHL and picks are never guarantees.
Just because he doesn't put up points doesnt mean he wont be a #1.

I remember someone quoting Burke as saying to Schenn to get familiar with Jake Gardiner.

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Nino on the other hand has been mishandled and has sucked with the Isles and never dominated the WHL like Kadri dominated the OHL and picks are never guarantees.
The big difference to me in regards to Nino and Kadri is if Nino never reaches his potential offensively he still could be a very good bottom 6 guy, in the case of Kadri it's 2nd line line C or bust

As I stated above I think Bailey is a better comparison for Kadri

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Nazem Kadri
Joe Colborne
Luke Schenn



1st (4th) 2012
Nino Neiderreiter


Islanders get 2 forwards with skill who would jump into the top 9. Kadri and Tavares have chemistry from London days and WJC. Okposo who slide down to play with the 2nd line. Colborne slots in Reasoner spot on the 3rd line. Schenn becomes at least #3 on the depth chart for the Isles

Leafs get back to back picks to either get Murray and one of the forwards or gets 2 forwards of the top 5. Neiderretier steps in on Grabo's line.

Way off base for either team?
Schenn-Snow is not a big Schenn fan.He likes mobile,strong skaters.

Colborne-Isles have center prospects Strome,Cizikas,Ullstrom and Brock Nelson.No interest in Colborne

Kadri-Nino,Kabanov and Petrov are in the mix for nyi wingers.No interest in Kadri

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04-13-2012, 05:47 PM
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Did you mean:
Gardiner + Kadri + 5th Overall
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Nino + 4th?
Zero interest in exchanging Nino for Kadri.Isles need Nino's size and chippiness on the wing.

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Did you mean:
Gardiner + Kadri + 5th Overall
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Nino + 4th?
when did Tavares change his name to Nino?

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Zero interest in exchanging Nino for Kadri.Isles need Nino's size and chippiness on the wing.
lol?

Gardiner > any piece in that trade ...

especially better than Nino Neidagoal

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Im no fan of Kadri but Coulbourne is big and skilled and Schenn can fill hole now. That being said, this is probably not an ideal offer. Isles need mobile d-men, and the draft has a nice offering to choose from.

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snow passed on schenn in the draft. schenn has done nothing in the nhl to indicate snow was wrong to do this.

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When are Leafs fans gonna realise that their struggling prospects aren't worth all that much??

Just to put things into perpective would you trade your 5th overall for Josh Bailey, Mikko Koskinen and Ty Wishart? Thought not.

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Nino Niederreiter .. I didn't even realise he was in the NHL. I googled him to see his minor stats and noticed he had 1 goal, 1 point and was a minus 29 in 55 NHL games this season. I don't think this is a player the Leafs would want. I hope he turns out well for the isles but wow no thanks from the Leafs. I am not meaning to bash Nino but what is he doing in the NHL? He was obviously not ready. If that happened to a Leaf prospect he would have negative 10 million value and we'd have to add our 2012 1st just to get rid of him. Again I realise he is young and developing.. but damn that has gotta kill his confidence.

I know not a lot of people around here are big on Kadri because he hasn't scored 50 in the NHL yet. This is one of the first high drafted prospects the Leafs have been patient with and have developed nicely. Kadri easily has the skill to be in the Leafs top 6 (can replace Mac pretty well I think). So I, and I am quite certain Burke is not going to toss him away if it isn't an overpayment.

So lets take Kadri and Nino out of this and it boils down to Schenn and Colborne for a 4th overall. Schenn is going to prove a lot of people wrong next year, count on it. He is what the Leafs need (one of) on the back end.. a big bruiser. Colborne I am not as high as I once was on him but he is also far along in his development and with his size and hands could be a top 2 centre in the future. The Leafs would get one of Grig, Gal or Murray with the 4th. Murray could be off the board by 4 as he is the safest pick in the draft (next to Yakupov of course). But remember these kids are going to take a while to develop as well.

I would not make either trade.

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lol?

Gardiner > any piece in that trade ...

especially better than Nino Neidagoal
The OP's offer was Schenn ,Colborne and Kadri.

Gardiner was not mentioned.

Colborne and Kardi are redundant pieces.The Isles havea glut of young,unproven forward prospects.They hold little interest.


In 2008 Snow passed on Schenn and was criticized.But,Snow's question marks about Schenn's offensive up and skating were on the mark,as he has struggled.If Snow didn't want Schenn then for his high pick,it's even less likely he wants a highly paid,struggling Schenn for his high pick now.

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