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Colborne and Kardi are redundant pieces.The Isles havea glut of young,unproven forward prospects.They hold little interest.
In 2008 Snow passed on Schenn and was criticized.But,Snow's question marks about Schenn's offensive up and skating were on the mark,as he has struggled.If Snow didn't want Schenn then for his high pick,it's even less likely he wants a highly paid,struggling Schenn for his high pick now.
He was talking about the other trade propesed by Apirine.
Did you mean:
Gardiner + Kadri + 5th Overall
for
Nino + 4th?
My bad.
I responded in posts #17 to the offer of Schenn,Colborne and Kadri.Then I responded in post # 18 ,saying 'Zero interest in exchanging Nino for Kadri.Isles need Nino's size and chippiness on the wing'. I didn't mention Gardiner.
I responded in posts #17 to the offer of Schenn,Colborne and Kadri.Then I responded in post # 18 ,saying 'Zero interest in exchanging Nino for Kadri.Isles need Nino's size and chippiness on the wing'. I didn't mention Gardiner.
I should have been clearer.
that's why i thought you were leaving Gardiner out and just saying you wouldnt trade Kadri for Nino
Well he has a slightly higher PPG average then Kadri(which is why Kadri is redundant for the Islanders)
Sadly with Bailey you see him for like 3-4 games stretches look fantastic, then he is invisible for like 10 games. Not sure if he just was on one of those hotstreaks or not but the last 10 games he got moved to Neilsen's wing along with Okposo and that's where he got a bulk of his 32 points this season(like 12 of them)
He used my quote about Schenn,Colborne and Kadri,which is why I responded.
Either way,can we end the Schenn + leafs prospects to LI proposals?
Snow wasn't that into Schenn in 2008,so why would he pass up a chance at Galchenyuk/Murray/Dumba for him now?
While I'm not saying Snow is into Schenn now, or that it is worth it.... IMO, saying " _____ GM wasn't interested in him at the draft, why would he want him now?" is faulty logic... tons of people passed on Datsyuk in his draft, still think they wouldn't want him? This may be an extreme case, but progression rates aren't set in stone, no GM knows exactly how a prospect is going to turn out. I'd definitely take Pietrangelo over Bogosian if I had the choice today.
Again, not saying Snow is interested in Schenn or that I want to trade Schenn, just that I think that argument is faulty....
Well he has a slightly higher PPG average then Kadri(which is why Kadri is redundant for the Islanders)
Sadly with Bailey you see him for like 3-4 games stretches look fantastic, then he is invisible for like 10 games. Not sure if he just was on one of those hotstreaks or not but the last 10 games he got moved to Neilsen's wing along with Okposo and that's where he got a bulk of his 32 points this season(like 12 of them)
In retrospect though, would you say it was a win-win or do you regret the trade?
Cause I don't really think that either is a reason for Snow not to want Schenn now.
Except lead the entire NHL in hits by a dman, two years in a row.
How's Bailey?
Glad Schenn's develop pleases you.I'm less impressed,but since I'm not a Leaf fan I don't have to be impressed.
isles have few complaints from the 2008 draft:
Bailey-nyi roster
Hamonic-nyi roster
Martin-nyi roster
Ness-ahl rookie,will fight for a nhl spot in camp
Petrov-isles are trying to sign him and get him to the NHL for 2012-13
Ullstrom-split this season between Bridgeport and LI
Donovan-ahl rookie,will fight for a nhl spot in camp
Poulin-ahler.1 of the franchise's top 2 goalie prospects
Surgeon-on the Wild roster
While I'm not saying Snow is into Schenn now, or that it is worth it.... IMO, saying " _____ GM wasn't interested in him at the draft, why would he want him now?" is faulty logic... tons of people passed on Datsyuk in his draft, still think they wouldn't want him? This may be an extreme case, but progression rates aren't set in stone, no GM knows exactly how a prospect is going to turn out. I'd definitely take Pietrangelo over Bogosian if I had the choice today.
Again, not saying Snow is interested in Schenn or that I want to trade Schenn, just that I think that argument is faulty....
Snow likes mobile,strong skating defensemen.
He passed on drafting Schenn at #5 in 2008,trading down two spaces and letting Burke have him.
Schenn's skating issues,decision making and $3m salary are not positives,not things that would have Snow thinking he made a mistake.
In retrospect though, would you say it was a win-win or do you regret the trade?
Cause I don't really think that either is a reason for Snow not to want Schenn now.
Well the general consensus was we should have drafted Filatov, so I am happy we didn't take him. As for Bailey(and all the draft picks we gained) vs Schenn I probably will take Schenn at this point. I am of the belief defensemen take longer to mature then forwards. Bailey is at the point he should be starting to hit his stride and still has ways to go.
In terms of the picks gained by the Islanders they ended up netting us Niemi(who was traded for a 6th rounder, that ended up being Brenden Kichton), Aaron Ness and David Ulstrom. The 2nd rounder in the Schenn deal was used to move up in 2009, so at the end of the day one of those 3 guys might turn the tide.
Schenn's skating issues,decision making and $3m salary are not positives,not things that would have Snow thinking he made a mistake.
He still has very high-upside, and very underrated offense.
Hatcher was a good player in his prime no?
Schenn has been inconsistent, good year, bad year, good year, bad year, but to say that it's ridiculous that you wouldn't want him over a player that's put up 3rd line centre numbers at best is harsh.
Snow might have given him a different contract even. To say that the other picks in the trade may make it a win for you is fine, but don't act like Schenn is Randy Jones here.
He still has very high-upside, and very underrated offense.
Hatcher was a good player in his prime no?
Schenn has been inconsistent, good year, bad year, good year, bad year, but to say that it's ridiculous that you wouldn't want him over a player that's put up 3rd line centre numbers at best is harsh.
Snow might have given him a different contract even. To say that the other picks in the trade may make it a win for you is fine, but don't act like Schenn is Randy Jones here.
You are kidding yourself, if you think a gm who had major reservations about Schenn in 2008 and passed him over on the draft board,would look Schenn's development now and think he'd want a do over.
I am not saying Schenn can't get his development back on track.I am saying Snow's reservations proved to be valid.
A poster asked how Bailey's doing.Bailey is a youngster who has not lived up to his draft day hype,just like Schenn has not lived up to his draft day hype.However,the 2008 draft was a very strong one for the isles, even if Bailey ends up nothing but a high end 3rd liner,who's strong on the pk.
You are kidding yourself, if you think a gm who had major reservations about Schenn in 2008 and passed him over on the draft board,would look Schenn's development now and think he'd want a do over.
I am not saying Schenn can't get his development back on track.I am saying Snow's reservations proved to be valid.
A poster asked how Bailey's doing.Bailey is a youngster who has not lived up to his draft day hype,just like Schenn has not lived up to his draft day hype.However,the 2008 draft was a very strong one for the isles, even if Bailey ends up nothing but a high end 3rd liner,who's strong on the pk.
I wasn't asking about Schenn's development alone though.
I was asking about the trade itself. Would you rather have Schenn than Bailey + the other prospects? To which it's not ridiculous to think Snow might want to do.
You are kidding yourself, if you think a gm who had major reservations about Schenn in 2008 and passed him over on the draft board,would look Schenn's development now and think he'd want a do over.
I am not saying Schenn can't get his development back on track.I am saying Snow's reservations proved to be valid.
A poster asked how Bailey's doing.Bailey is a youngster who has not lived up to his draft day hype,just like Schenn has not lived up to his draft day hype. However,the 2008 draft was a very strong one for the isles, even if Bailey ends up nothing but a high end 3rd liner,who's strong on the pk.
I personally think the Islanders big mistake in 2008 was not drafting Myers. Alot of people had him rated in that 10-12 slot. I know when I saw all the guys I wanted off the board(Filatov, Boedker and Wilson basically) I thought for sure they were going to grab Myers(or at least was hoping they take a chance)
I wasn't asking about Schenn's development alone though.
I was asking about the trade itself. Would you rather have Schenn than Bailey + the other prospects? To which it's not ridiculous to think Snow might want to do.
I'm not a big fan of Bailey or Schenn,but if given the choice of one over the other,I'd take Bailey and imo so would Snow.
1.Snow prefers mobile strong skaters,which Schenn is not.
2.Snow also is big on players who are smart,players who are good decision makers.
I personally think the Islanders big mistake in 2008 was not drafting Myers. Alot of people had him rated in that 10-12 slot. I know when I saw all the guys I wanted off the board(Filatov, Boedker and Wilson basically) I thought for sure they were going to grab Myers(or at least was hoping they take a chance)
Islanders get 2 forwards with skill who would jump into the top 9. Kadri and Tavares have chemistry from London days and WJC. Okposo who slide down to play with the 2nd line. Colborne slots in Reasoner spot on the 3rd line. Schenn becomes at least #3 on the depth chart for the Isles
Leafs get back to back picks to either get Murray and one of the forwards or gets 2 forwards of the top 5. Neiderretier steps in on Grabo's line.
Botta at the NY Times and Strang at NY Newsday, each reported Snow shopped his last two high lottery picks.He demanded a young player back,who's upside was similar to the players expected to be on the board when Snow drafted.
Snow's got a bunch of unproven youngsters,so no depth trades.No trades for soon to be ufas or aging stars.
Isles want their own cheap prospects on the roster.Snow gave Newsday a recent interview,saying as much.
I guess we can see , why Snow's ended up keeping and using his high lottery picks?
Few teams with budding, young stars want to deal them,unless there is a lockerroom issue or payroll issue.
