Our third and fourth lines were often incapable of spending any time in the opponent's zone. Why? Lack of skill. We don't need more of that. Hell, even just missing Hall put a huge crimp in our offense.
I'm all for guys with "bite" as long as they have at least a certain level of skill. Ultimately this game is about scoring more goals than your opponent and spending most of your shifts in your own end doesn't accomplish that no matter how hard you hit.
Our third and fourth lines were often incapable of spending any time in the opponent's zone. Why? Lack of skill. We don't need more of that. Hell, even just missing Hall put a huge crimp in our offense.
I'm all for guys with "bite" as long as they have at least a certain level of skill. Ultimately this game is about scoring more goals than your opponent and spending most of your shifts in your own end doesn't accomplish that no matter how hard you hit.
pfft, most of the guys never played on the same teams. Det has always been light on the bite side, lets be honest.
Yeah, but they are also a freak of nature team, more of the exception than the rule
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Harikanen has that to a degree.
Hall has it too, but he isn't strong enough yet to play that game and needs to be more aware of himself on the ice.
Yakupov actually has a bit of that too ... don't let the 5'11 thing fool you.
Dont know much about Yakupov yet, but I've thought the exact same thing about Hartry and Hall as well. They still need to add on some pounds and years, but the potential is there.
But I've thought the same thing as the OP while watching the playoffs
You must have just started watching hockey recently.
Gordie Howe was the dirtiest player in hockey.
More recently there has been Bob Probert and Joey Kocur.
Even more recently there was Darren McCarty and the infamous Red Wing vs Avalanche series'.
The notion that Detroit doesnt have tough guys or a tough team is a very recent one.
I said last 20 years. what the hell does gordie Howe have to do with anything?
I am not saying they were a bunch of pansies, but they were at best middle of the road in toughness. I think arguing that point is silly, but, whatever, yes they had a few tough guys. point granted.
Playoff hockey can't be compared to regular season hockey. The intensity is much much different. I'm sure if the Oilers were in the playoffs they would be opening our eyes with their tough play.
Yakupov plays with bite, probably the most out of the 3 kids. So no point trading him.
Bite comes from mentality. You don`t need a big guy; David vs. Goliath. Toews plays with bite and he isnt the biggest guy. I think Hall, Yakupov, and Haritkanen would be the three guys to lead by example with their play by finishing checks but also pumping the guys up before the game. As an athlete in team sports, you just need to get in the zone. A guy like Talbot would be great in the dressing room to acheive this.
We need a significant upgrade in the back end in terms of experience. Draft Yakupov and sign Suter and see what happens.
I wouldn't trade Yakupov for Clowe+Murray, NEVER. Plus, I'm confident in our young guys that they have the desire to battle hard and win playoff games. Hall's b2b Memorial Cup MVPs must say something, as well as Eberle's clutch performances. Not worried about Hemsky either, as he was perfectly effective in 06. And contrary to what most people think, Gagner is full of heart, there is no doubt he'll come prepared for the playoffs, whether or not he scores a lot will be another topic. The only kid I have doubts for is RNH, but that's only because he hasn't played much post season in the WHL. Once he gets accustomed to the NHL, he'll be perfectly fine.
Playoff hockey can't be compared to regular season hockey. The intensity is much much different. I'm sure if the Oilers were in the playoffs they would be opening our eyes with their tough play.
Yakupov plays with bite, probably the most out of the 3 kids. So no point trading him.
Bite comes from mentality. You don`t need a big guy; David vs. Goliath. Toews plays with bite and he isnt the biggest guy. I think Hall, Yakupov, and Haritkanen would be the three guys to lead by example with their play by finishing checks but also pumping the guys up before the game. As an athlete in team sports, you just need to get in the zone. A guy like Talbot would be great in the dressing room to acheive this.
We need a significant upgrade in the back end in terms of experience. Draft Yakupov and sign Suter and see what happens.
I said last 20 years. what the hell does gordie Howe have to do with anything?
I am not saying they were a bunch of pansies, but they were at best middle of the road in toughness. I think arguing that point is silly, but, whatever, yes they had a few tough guys. point granted.
I said last 20 years. what the hell does gordie Howe have to do with anything?
I am not saying they were a bunch of pansies, but they were at best middle of the road in toughness. I think arguing that point is silly, but, whatever, yes they had a few tough guys. point granted.
Detroit had the meanest toughguy of all-time in Probert...not middle of the road, try top of the food chain.
Playoff hockey can't be compared to regular season hockey. The intensity is much much different. I'm sure if the Oilers were in the playoffs they would be opening our eyes with their tough play.
Yakupov plays with bite, probably the most out of the 3 kids. So no point trading him.
Bite comes from mentality. You don`t need a big guy; David vs. Goliath. Toews plays with bite and he isnt the biggest guy. I think Hall, Yakupov, and Haritkanen would be the three guys to lead by example with their play by finishing checks but also pumping the guys up before the game. As an athlete in team sports, you just need to get in the zone. A guy like Talbot would be great in the dressing room to acheive this.
We need a significant upgrade in the back end in terms of experience. Draft Yakupov and sign Suter and see what happens.
exactly. I was just saying the same thing to a friend tonight. Every one comes out twice as tough as they were all year. Suddenly a guy like Sutton looks like the toughest guy in the leauge, we already have bite, we just haven't made the playoffs to show it.
We need someone like Chris Neil. Hard hitter, heavyweight fighter but has enough skill to make offensive plays. A guy like that to defend the kids and allow them to evolve their game.
That being said, it should not take precedent over adding skill to the line up. The 3rd and 4th have to at least keep the play in the offensive zone, adding tertiary scoring as well would help.
exactly. I was just saying the same thing to a friend tonight. Every one comes out twice as tough as they were all year. Suddenly a guy like Sutton looks like the toughest guy in the leauge, we already have bite, we just haven't made the playoffs to show it.
Holy cow.
Ya, Gagner and Horcoff are just waiting until we make the playoffs to whip out a can of whoop ass.
We need someone like Chris Neil. Hard hitter, heavyweight fighter but has enough skill to make offensive plays. A guy like that to defend the kids and allow them to evolve their game.
That being said, it should not take precedent over adding skill to the line up. The 3rd and 4th have to at least keep the play in the offensive zone, adding tertiary scoring as well would help.
Absolutely, but guys like Chirs Neil and Steve Ott don't grow on trees. You have to give up pretty serious assets to get guys like that.
How silly do you look when the Wings had Kocur and McCarty on their cup winning teams.
They also had Shanahan and Lapointe, both who had over 150Pims.
facepalm. YES, they had tough guys, they still were year in and year out in the bottom 10 teams in PIM. They were not a tough team relative to the rest of the NHL.
For the last time, I admit they had some tough players. To make up that they were this super tough team is just flat out ridiculous.
Ya, Gagner and Horcoff are just waiting until we make the playoffs to whip out a can of whoop ass.
Ya, just like Zetterberg, Datskyk and Lidstrom do every year. Those three are all soft and skilled. Hall and Yakupov will be tough compared to those three.
facepalm. YES, they had tough guys, they still were year in and year out in the bottom 10 teams in PIM. They were not a tough team relative to the rest of the NHL.
For the last time, I admit they had some tough players. To make up that they were this super tough team is just flat out ridiculous.
You have demonstrated you dont know what you are talking about in regards to the Wings.
Did you even know who any of those players were?
Did you know that Darren McCarty was a member of all four of those cup teams?
Ya, just like Zetterberg, Datskyk and Lidstrom do every year. Those three are all soft and skilled. Hall and Yakupov will be tough compared to those three.
Those guys are not soft. There's a misconception that skilled guys are automatically soft, not the case with those guys.
Yea I'd love to resemble Detroit so that Weber can grab Eberle's head and smash it into the glass and not be held accountable. I want a team thats tuff and won't put up with that **** like Ottawa. We need a few guys like Neil and Carkner.
Those guys are not soft. There's a misconception that skilled guys are automatically soft, not the case with those guys.
I must admit, Datsyuk is one of the strongest/toughest players I have seen in the NHL. Just because he is ridiculously skilled doesn't mean he's not tough.
