Fully aware this will likely be moved. Just want it to get a little more attention before it moves to a forum no one looks at. I think the orders right, might be a team or two off though.
I threw a few (Not many) strange off the board picks in for two reasons. One, they happen in real life, two, I got bored and wanted to put in guys most people have never heard of.
Top Ten.
1. Nail Yakupov RW Sarnia OHL RUS
2. Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia OHL USA/RUS
3. Ryan Murray D Everret WHL CAN
4. Mikhail Grigerenko C Quebec QMJHL RUS
5. Matthew Dumba D Red Deer WHL CAN
6. Filip Forsberg LW Leksand AVK SWE
7. Griffin Reinhart D Edmonton WHL CAN
8. Jacob Trouba D USA-U18 USA
9. Radek Faksa C Kitchener CZE
10. Teuvo Teravainen LW Jokerit SM-Liiga
Forgot Hertl, I'd slot him probably around Buffalo's second pick.
1. Edmonton Oilers select Nail Yakupov RW OHL RUS
2. Columbus Blue Jackets select Filip Forsberg LW SWE-1 SWE
3. Montreal Canadiens select Mikhail Grigerenko C QMJHL RUS
4. New York Islanders select Ryan Murray D WHL CAN
5. Toronto Maple Leafs select Alex Galchenyuk C OHL USA/RUS
6. Anaheim Ducks select Radek Faksa C OHL CZE
7. Minnesota Wild select Matthew Dumba D WHL CAN
8. Carolina Hurricanes select Griffin Reinhart D WHL CAN
9. Winnipeg Jets select Brandon Gaunce C OHL CAN
10. Tampa Bay Lightning select Morgan Reilly D WHL CAN
11. Washington Capitals (via COL) select Teuvo Terravainen LW SM-Liigga FIN
12. Buffalo Sabres select Sebastian Collberg RW SEL SWE
13. Dallas Stars select Jacob Trouba D USNTDP USA
14. Calgary Flames select Cody Ceci D OHL CAN
15. Ottawa Senators select Matt Finn D OHL CAN
16. Washington Capitals select Zemgus Girgensons C USHL LAT
17. Columbus Blue Jackets (via LAK) select Derrik Poulliot D WHL CAN
18. San Jose Sharks select Hampus Lindholm D SEL SWE
19. Chicago Blackhawks select Pontus Aberg F SEL SWE
20. New Jersey Devils select Malcom Subban G OHL CAN
21. Tampa Bay Lightning (via DET) select Andrey Vasilevski G MHL RUS
22. Philadelphia Flyers select Olli Maatta D OHL FIN
23. Buffalo Sabres (via NSH) select Colton Sissons RW WHL CAN
24. Pittsburgh Penguins select Tim Wilson RW OHL CAN
25. Florida Panthers select Slater Koekoek D OHL CAN
26. Phoenix Coyotes select Martin Frk RW QMJHL SVK
27. Boston Bruins select Lukas Sutter C WHL CAN/USA
28. St Louis Blues select Stefan Matteau C USNTDP USA/CAN
29. New York Rangers select Adam Peelch D OHL CAN
30. Vancouver Canucks select Ludvig Bystrom D SEL SWE
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31. Columbus Blue Jackets select Oscar Dansk G SEL SWE
32. Edmonton Oilers select Ville Pokka D SM-Liiiga FIN
33. Montreal Canadiens select Timothy Bozon LW WHL FRA/USA
34. New York Islanders select Matia Marcantuoni C/W OHL CAN
35. Toronto Maple Leafs select Scott Kosmachuk RW OHL CAN
36. Anaheim Ducks select Mikko Vainonen D FIN-Jr FIN
37. Tampa Bay (From MIN via SAN) select Nikolai Prokhorkin RW MHL RUS
38. Carolina Hurricanes select Mike Winther C WHL CAN
39. Winnipeg Jets select Tanner Pearson RW OHL CAN
40. Tampa Bay Lightning select Nicholas Kerdiles LW USNTDP USA
41. Colorado Avalanche select Phillip Guiseppe LW CCHA CAN
42. Buffalo Sabres select Jarrod Maidens C OHL CAN
43. Dallas Stars select Cristobal Nieves C USHS USA
44. Buffalo Sabres (via CAL) select Scott Laughton C OHL CAN
45. Columbus Blue Jackets (From CBJ via OTT) select Andreas Athanasiou C OHL CAN
46. Minnesota Wild (From NJD via WSH) select Dalton Thrower D WHL CAN
47. Dallas Stars (from PHI via LAK) select Michael Matheson D USHL CAN
48. Carolina Hurricanese (via SAN) select Brady Skeji D USNTDP USA
49. Chicago Blackhawks select Brandon Whitney G QMJHL CAN
50. New Jersey Devils select Erik Karlsson C SEL-JR SWE
51. Detroit Red Wings select Brock McGinn LW OHL CAN
52. Tampa Bay Lightning (via PHI) select Brady Vail C OHL USA
53. Montreal Canadiens (via NSH) select Esa Lindell D FIN-Jr FIN
54. San Jose Sharks (COMP) select Jon Gilles G USHL USA
55. Pittsburgh Penguins select Henrik Samuelsson LW WHL USA/SWE
56. Florida Panthers select Zach Stepan C USHS USA
57. Phoenix Coyotes select Danill Zharkov LW OHL RUS
58. Colorado Avalanche (from TOR via BOS) select Dylan Blujus D OHL USA
59. St Louis Blues select Gemel Smith WHL USA
60. New York Rangers select Dane Fox C OHL CAN
61. Vancouver Canucks select Nathan Walker C CZE AUS
Last edited by Faidh ar Rud Eigin: 04-13-2012 at 07:50 PM.
Reason: Forgot Hertl
Why the hell would Anaheim take Gaunce? Getzlaf, Holland, Bonino, Rakell, Karlsson...we're good.
Dumba or Trouba please.
Also just a feeling, but I think Ducks take Samuelsson or Kerdiles over Vainonen...and no way in hell Erik Karlsson goes second round. That's as left field as it gets.
Nashville's 1st (#23 in this mock) was traded to Buffalo as part of the Paul Gaustad trade.
Not a big deal. Changed it. I'd still have them taking Sissons in that spot.
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Why the hell would Anaheim take Gaunce? Getzlaf, Holland, Bonino, Rakell, Karlsson...we're good.
Dumba or Trouba please.
Also just a feeling, but I think Ducks take Samuelsson or Kerdiles over Vainonen...and no way in hell Erik Karlsson goes second round. That's as left field as it gets.
I don't know why would they take Gaunce, I don't have them talking Gaunce.
And I explain why I got a couple off the board picks. Theres a couple every year.
Not a big deal. Changed it. I'd still have them taking Sissons in that spot.
I don't know why would they take Gaunce, I don't have them talking Gaunce.
And I explain why I got a couple off the board picks. Theres a couple every year.
You edited it. Or I'm a blind idiot. Same applies for Faksa. Ducks need more strength and grit on the blueline. Rakell fits the same role as Faksa does. Maybe not as well, but we can afford to pass him for some elite level D to balance our D-corps.
I don't know that Karlsson is the best choice for an off the board pick in the second round though. Maybe Kulak, Iafrate, Stolarz, Ryan, Smith, Barber, and Gusev, hell even Ebert in the second round would be considered off the board. Karlsson is lacking in many areas of his game.
You edited it. Or I'm a blind idiot. Same applies for Faksa. Ducks need more strength and grit on the blueline. Rakell fits the same role as Faksa does. Maybe not as well, but we can afford to pass him for some elite level D to balance our D-corps.
Definitely didn't edit it. I've edited it once, and that was to change Nashville to Buffalo.
And I disagree. Anaheim has horrible secondary scoring, no real blue-chip two-way prospects. They have young defensemen already in Sbisa and Fowler. Adding another can't hurt but Anaheim needs to solve one of their major issues in depth. Faksa doesn't have elite first line upside but Faksa would be an excellent player to play behind Getzlaf. Rakell and the other prospects you mention are solid guys, but none of them have that great an upside.
Defense is a crapshoot in the first round. You really don't know what will happen. You can get a star, but they usually take years to develop. You can take a projected star and them end up nothing more than a number #3. You can find grit and strength later in the draft. You won't find a blue-chip two-way center unless you're very lucky later in the draft.
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I don't know that Karlsson is the best choice for an off the board pick in the second round though. Maybe Kulak, Iafrate, Stolarz, Ryan, Smith, Barber, and Gusev, hell even Ebert in the second round would be considered off the board. Karlsson is lacking in many areas of his game.
Maybe. But as you get in the middle second round you're going to start a lot of picks that may not look like the best choice.
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Why does Columbus have the 31st pick? Am I missing something ? :s
Lottery doesn't affect the rounds after the first.
Definitely didn't edit it. I've edited it once, and that was to change Nashville to Buffalo.
And I disagree. Anaheim has horrible secondary scoring, no real blue-chip two-way prospects. They have young defensemen already in Sbisa and Fowler. Adding another can't hurt but Anaheim needs to solve one of their major issues in depth. Faksa doesn't have elite first line upside but Faksa would be an excellent player to play behind Getzlaf. Rakell and the other prospects you mention are solid guys, but none of them have that great an upside.
Defense is a crapshoot in the first round. You really don't know what will happen. You can get a star, but they usually take years to develop. You can take a projected star and them end up nothing more than a number #3. You can find grit and strength later in the draft. You won't find a blue-chip two-way center unless you're very lucky later in the draft.
You're really gonna have to pay more attention to Rakell first of all. We've got the AHL's top rookie scorer in Holland, the AHL's top goal scorer in Palmieri, the 3rd best AHL scorer in Patrick Maroon who is very useful in terms of two way play, Emerson Etem top WHL goal scorer (first 50 in 50 CHL player since John Tavares), Smith Pelly who's already following a Milan Lucic like career path that was disrupted by injury in the NHL at 19, William Karlsson Allvenskan's leading rookie scorer and most improved player, Chris Wagner 7th in NCAA scoring as a Sophomore with Colgate and scored 4 goals in one game at our camp among others, Rakell was a PPG player who was praised for his NHL-like strength, his two-way play, and his vision...sounds a lot like Faksa to me.
Regardless of what you think our issues are, the organization is pretty stacked on offense. Faksa would need to be head and shoulders over Peter Holland and Rikard Rakell (maybe even William Karlsson and Chris Wagner if they keep it up) to earn that second C spot, and that's if we don't sign any FAs. along the way.
Visnovsky and Lydman are inching toward retirement, barring FA signings that leaves us with Fowler, Beauchemin, Sbisa, and Vatanen...Brookbank too. Small chance Schultz signs. That's a lot of softness. A guy like Dumba or Trouba would even it out, and contribute
offensively.
EDIT: If the Ducks were that desperate for a 2c they'd trade up to NYI's spot and take Galchenyuk. If they follow your philosophy that a blueliner takes too long to develop, they'd probably trade down and get maybe a couple firsts. Take a guy like Gaunce and Koekkoek
Anaheim needs a top d-man and Trouba is BPA over Faksa regardless.
Peter Holland will be their #2 center.
That's subjective. It's like when people said Couturier was BPA for the Islanders last year, and when they didn't take him he was BPA for Ottawa, than he was BPA for Winnipeg, than he was taken. Teams have different opinions, and Faksa is very highly though of. So is Trouba, but I sincerely doubt Trouba is more than a hair above Faksa on many lists.
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You're really gonna have to pay more attention to Rakell first of all. We've got the AHL's top rookie scorer in Holland, the AHL's top goal scorer in Palmieri, the 3rd best AHL scorer in Patrick Maroon who is very useful in terms of two way play, Emerson Etem top WHL goal scorer (first 50 in 50 CHL player since John Tavares), Smith Pelly who's already following a Milan Lucic like career path that was disrupted by injury in the NHL at 19, William Karlsson Allvenskan's leading rookie scorer and most improved player, Chris Wagner 7th in NCAA scoring as a Sophomore with Colgate and scored 4 goals in one game at our camp among others, Rakell was a PPG player who was praised for his NHL-like strength, his two-way play, and his vision...sounds a lot like Faksa to me.
Regardless of what you think our issues are, the organization is pretty stacked on offense. Faksa would need to be head and shoulders over Peter Holland and Rikard Rakell (maybe even William Karlsson and Chris Wagner if they keep it up) to earn that second C spot, and that's if we don't sign any FAs. along the way.
Visnovsky and Lydman are inching toward retirement, barring FA signings that leaves us with Fowler, Beauchemin, Sbisa, and Vatanen...Brookbank too. Small chance Schultz signs. That's a lot of softness. A guy like Dumba or Trouba would even it out, and contribute
offensively.
EDIT: If the Ducks were that desperate for a 2c they'd trade up to NYI's spot and take Galchenyuk. If they follow your philosophy that a blueliner takes too long to develop, they'd probably trade down and get maybe a couple firsts. Take a guy like Gaunce and Koekkoek
Rakell is still a project, and I don't think he has that much upside anyway. A second line winger, that still isn't what Faksa does. Even this year he isn't as good as Faksa in any area and he's a year older. Holland is having a great year but he's not as good as Faksa. Holland doesn't standout when you watch him, I'm questioning if he ever makes the NHL at all.
Maroon's got size going for him, but I wouldn't project him as a top 6 player at all going forward. So that's irrelevant to Faksa.
Etem had a truly amazing year, however it's yet to be seen if he can duplicate the results on a bigger stage. Knock on Etem has always been his hockey sense, his hockey IQ. I'd also project him as a winger at the NHL level.
Smith-Pelley is good but he isn't Lucic. The other prospects you mentioned really are long shots so they aren't worth mentioning untill they do something in the NHL.
In all, Anaheim doesn't have any bluechip forward prospects. They have some good ones, but none of them are as good as Faksa, and there is no center prospect in the Ducks organization who are as good defensively as Faksa or as good offensively as Faksa.
They wouldn't make a bad move drafting defense this year, however blue-chip secondary scoring and two-way players are just as much a neccesity as getting a big gritty defensemen in my opinon. And the former is very difficult to acquire in later rounds and in FA.
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I thought you didn't like Wilson? More of a case of you not liking him but still thinking he'll go high?
Because I think he will. I also think it's a big mistake. If I did a top 45 rankings I wouldn't have him there.
Pretty bold prediction for Holland if you ask me. He got 4 games of NHL time this year and he handled himself just fine. In fact he had better hands than anyone in the bottom 6.
And BTW, Lucic wasn't Lucic his first year. DSP's point pace with worse linemates than Milan had was one less than Lucic's rookie year, and even with only 49 games played he scored one less goal than Lucic did that first year. A healthy year would've seen at least 10 from DSP. Their junior numbers were practically identical. The comparison isn't as crazy as you think if you really look into it. Brown is a safer comparable though.
Yes teams do have different lists of BPA, but generally Trouba is almost always ahead of Faksa. Also as i said, Anaheim has Peter Holland coming who will be a good #2 center in my opnion. As for defense they are very thin and could use Trouba/Dumba/Reinhart.
I think the teams that passed on Couturier will regret it highly like the Jets and Senators. NYI should have taken Dougie Hamilton in my opinion. We'll see if they pass on another top d-man this year.
Yes teams do have different lists of BPA, but generally Trouba is almost always ahead of Faksa. Also as i said, Anaheim has Peter Holland coming who will be a good #2 center in my opnion. As for defense they are very thin and could use Trouba/Dumba/Reinhart.
I think the teams that passed on Couturier will regret it highly like the Jets and Senators. NYI should have taken Dougie Hamilton in my opinion. We'll see if they pass on another top d-man this year.
Snow is stupid enough. Only thing is, he's also stupid enough to pass on Galchenyuk or Forsberg for Faksa, Collberg, and Teravainen.
I'd actually love to see them take Teravainen and watch everyone's jaws hit the floor like they turned into cinder blocks.
As an Isles fan I would want Thrower over Marcantuoni even if we went defense with our first pick....
I like the mock though
Yes, I would love that to happen, Marcantouni sliding to us would be would be absolutely amazing. Him and Galchenyuk are more than enough for a satisfied draft from my perspective.
Pretty bold prediction for Holland if you ask me. He got 4 games of NHL time this year and he handled himself just fine. In fact he had better hands than anyone in the bottom 6.
And BTW, Lucic wasn't Lucic his first year. DSP's point pace with worse linemates than Milan had was one less than Lucic's rookie year, and even with only 49 games played he scored one less goal than Lucic did that first year. A healthy year would've seen at least 10 from DSP. Their junior numbers were practically identical. The comparison isn't as crazy as you think if you really look into it. Brown is a safer comparable though.
I don't think stats is a good comparison. Smith-Pelly is a physical, rugged forward with a goalscoring touch but it's not on Lucic's level. Lucic has a mean streak that DSP can't compare to, he's got better offensive awareness and his offensive tools are a bit better. Lucic is that 35-30 guy, DSP is more like a 25-20 guy IMO.
And I don't think it's bold for Holland. I just don't see much offensive potential for him.
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Yes, I would love that to happen, Marcantouni sliding to us would be would be absolutely amazing. Him and Galchenyuk are more than enough for a satisfied draft from my perspective.
In reallity I think it wouldn't be out of the question to see Marcantuoni be avaiable at the Leafs third pick, but I hope a team will take a chance on him a lot earlier. That's why I had him going to the Isles.
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